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Judith Latham
2024-11-12 01:29:49 UTC
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The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.


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Bruce
2024-11-12 01:45:34 UTC
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Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
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Hank Rogers
2024-11-12 03:44:12 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
And they keep shitting all over you, Master.
gm
2024-11-12 04:19:11 UTC
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Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
And they keep shitting all over you, Master.
"master" should check in with "Dr Jill", hehe...

NY POST:

Melania Trump declines to meet with Jill Biden at White House, citing
Mar-a-Lago raid: source

"Melania Trump declined an offer to head to the White House Wednesday
and meet with Jill Biden, citing the Biden administration’s past raid on
Mar-a-Lago as part of the federal government’s investigation into
classified documents..

“She ain’t going,” a source familiar with Melania’s decision told The
Post. “Jill Biden’s husband authorized the FBI snooping through her
underwear drawer. The Bidens are disgusting,” the source said...

“Jill Biden isn’t someone Melania needs to meet,” the source added...

The FBI raided Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in August 2022 in
their probe of the 45th president’s withholding of classified White
House documents...

“Yeah, it made me angry,” she said on “Fox and Friends” in a September
interview, calling it an “invasion of privacy...”

“I saw unpleasant stuff that nobody wants to see,” Melania said of her
experience returning to her ransacked residence. “And you get angry
because, you know, nobody should be putting up with that kind of
stuff...”

Trump’s confidential documents case was dismissed by US District Judge
Aileen Cannon in July..."

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2024-11-12 10:27:28 UTC
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Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
And they keep shitting all over you, Master.
"master" should check in with "Dr Jill", hehe...
Melania Trump declines to meet with Jill Biden at White House, citing
Mar-a-Lago raid: source
"Melania Trump declined an offer to head to the White House Wednesday
and meet with Jill Biden, citing the Biden administration’s past raid on
Mar-a-Lago as part of the federal government’s investigation into
classified documents..
“She ain’t going,” a source familiar with Melania’s decision told The
Post. “Jill Biden’s husband authorized the FBI snooping through her
underwear drawer. The Bidens are disgusting,” the source said...
“Jill Biden isn’t someone Melania needs to meet,” the source added...
The FBI raided Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in August 2022 in
their probe of the 45th president’s withholding of classified White
House documents...
“Yeah, it made me angry,” she said on “Fox and Friends” in a September
interview, calling it an “invasion of privacy...”
“I saw unpleasant stuff that nobody wants to see,” Melania said of her
experience returning to her ransacked residence. “And you get angry
because, you know, nobody should be putting up with that kind of
stuff...”
Trump’s confidential documents case was dismissed by US District Judge
Aileen Cannon in July..."
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GM
Completely reasonable! What goes around, comes around. I imagine some FBI
agents will get the job to go through Xidens drawers as well in the months
to come. Since the man is senile, we must be very careful to make sure no
top secret documents have been "forgotten" somewhere.
Michael Trew
2024-11-12 18:14:13 UTC
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Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
Do you claim that it was the Dutch?

Either way, ours is better. ;)
Cindy Hamilton
2024-11-12 19:30:44 UTC
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Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
Do you claim that it was the Dutch?
Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.

It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.

A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.
Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better. ;)
I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.
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2024-11-12 20:42:43 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
Do you claim that it was the Dutch?
Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.
It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.
A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.
Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better. ;)
I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.
No, this is not so good. I give the crown to the humble apple crumble! The
Donald Trump of pies!
BryanGSimmons
2024-11-13 11:30:45 UTC
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Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
Do you claim that it was the Dutch?
Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.
It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.
A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.
Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better. ;)
I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.
This Friday my wife and I are taking a class on making cream puffs.
https://www.alliancestl.org/events/lets-make-choux-pastries-free-cooking-class-with-suzanne-corbett

My wife is a member, so it's free. Most American pie crusts, and
American baked goods in general are crap because they are full of crappy
ingredients.
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Michael Trew
2024-11-13 17:28:04 UTC
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Post by Cindy Hamilton
Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.
It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.
A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.
Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better.  ;)
I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.
Hmm, I guess you made me look something up as well. It looks tasty.

https://www.pardonyourfrench.com/classic-tarte-tatin/
Post by BryanGSimmons
Most American pie crusts, and
American baked goods in general are crap because they are full of crappy
ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead of
Crisco. I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.
Dave Smith
2024-11-13 18:07:00 UTC
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Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are crap
because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead of
Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies that
were made with them. They are, IMO, inferior to real home made pie
dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the best
store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some people
really struggle with dough making and rolling. It is not just a matter
of convenience because they just can't do it. I consider myself lucky
to have learned how to make it and that I find it easy.
Michael Trew
2024-11-14 19:47:12 UTC
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Post by Michael Trew
Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are
crap because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead
of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies that
were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home made pie
dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the best
store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some people
really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It is not just a matter
of convenience because they just can't do it.  I consider myself lucky
to have learned how to make it and that I find it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily. I found that cold butter is
a much better texture than Crisco. I've never tried lard, that will be
a project for some day.
S Viemeister
2024-11-14 20:20:52 UTC
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Post by Michael Trew
Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are
crap because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead
of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies
that were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home made
pie dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the
best store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some
people really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It is not just
a matter of convenience because they just can't do it.  I consider
myself lucky to have learned how to make it and that I find it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter is
a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that will be
a project for some day.
Try half lard, half butter.
Graham
2024-11-14 21:53:18 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
Post by Michael Trew
Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are
crap because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead
of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies
that were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home made
pie dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the
best store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some
people really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It is not just
a matter of convenience because they just can't do it.  I consider
myself lucky to have learned how to make it and that I find it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter
is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that
will be a project for some day.
Try half lard, half butter.
Which is what I use, with pastry flour, not AP. I have never used Crisco.
Hank Rogers
2024-11-14 22:48:51 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Michael Trew
Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are
crap because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter
instead of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought
pastry, ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies
that were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home
made pie dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better
than the best store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact
that some people really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It
is not just a matter of convenience because they just can't do it.Â
I consider myself lucky to have learned how to make it and that I
find it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold
butter is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard,
that will be a project for some day.
Try half lard, half butter.
Which is what I use, with pastry flour, not AP. I have never used Crisco.
Indeed. Crisco is for heathens!
S Viemeister
2024-11-15 00:02:42 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Michael Trew
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter
instead of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought
pastry, ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies
that were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home made
pie dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the
best store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some
people really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It is not
just a matter of convenience because they just can't do it.  I
consider myself lucky to have learned how to make it and that I find
it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter
is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that
will be a project for some day.
Try half lard, half butter.
Which is what I use, with pastry flour, not AP. I have never used Crisco.
I tried Crisco once, many years ago.
Once was enough.
songbird
2024-11-15 05:16:37 UTC
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I tried Crisco once, many years ago.
Once was enough.
there used to be a coffee shop with pastries and soups
and such. i thought i would try it out to see if it was
worth the trip.

i walked by their display case and saw most of their
cookies on small pieces of paper and the grease was
spreading out from them staining the paper. ok, perhaps
it was butter? i tried one. gross. no, it was crisco.
nasty. i never went back. expensive and disgusting.

we have a very small container of it here in the fridge
because for a certain recipe that Mom makes it is required
but i would never make that stuff myself (i don't eat it).
crisco and cool whip both go through me like a hot knife
through butter. we did fry things with it when i was a
kid but i was much happier when we used peanut oil or
liquid vegetable oils instead. just make sure to do the
fish last.


songbird
Michael Trew
2024-11-16 04:15:17 UTC
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Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold
butter is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard,
that will be a project for some day.
Try half lard, half butter.
Which is what I use, with pastry flour, not AP. I have never used Crisco.
I tried Crisco once, many years ago.
Once was enough.
I've used it a few times. There might be a rancid can buried in the
back of the pantry, heh. I'll try half lard if I can find actual lard.
I am cautious of the hydrogenated version in at the grocer, and I
haven't found the motivation to render lard like Steve.
Bruce
2024-11-16 04:19:12 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Post by Graham
Post by S Viemeister
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold
butter is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard,
that will be a project for some day.
Try half lard, half butter.
Which is what I use, with pastry flour, not AP. I have never used Crisco.
I tried Crisco once, many years ago.
Once was enough.
I've used it a few times. There might be a rancid can buried in the
back of the pantry, heh. I'll try half lard if I can find actual lard.
Don't follow every barbaric suggestion you get.
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heyjoe
2024-11-16 15:02:52 UTC
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I'll try half lard if I can find actual lard.
I am cautious of the hydrogenated version in at the grocer, and I
haven't found the motivation to render lard like Steve.
Watched a review of lard on America's Test Kitchen. Two of the taste
test items are available locally, with the best supermarket lard
being Morrell Snow Cap. It's in the refrigerated case, close to the
Mexican cheeses.

The top choice, the only thing I remember was the price - a budget
buster - $16.99 per pound (I could easily be wrong on the price, but
it was up there). Think it was mail order only.
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Dave Smith
2024-11-14 20:46:22 UTC
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Post by Michael Trew
Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are
crap because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead
of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies
that were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home made
pie dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the
best store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some
people really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It is not just
a matter of convenience because they just can't do it.  I consider
myself lucky to have learned how to make it and that I find it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter is
a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that will be
a project for some day.
I usually use Crisco for dessert pies and lard for savory pies. It is
important not to cut the fat too fine. You need to have chunks of fat in
there to get a flaky pastry.
Hank Rogers
2024-11-14 23:11:56 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
Post by Michael Trew
Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are
crap because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead
of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies
that were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home made
pie dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the
best store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some
people really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It is not
just a matter of convenience because they just can't do it.  I
consider myself lucky to have learned how to make it and that I find
it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter
is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that
will be a project for some day.
I usually use Crisco for dessert pies and lard for savory pies. It is
important not to cut the fat too fine. You need to have chunks of fat in
there to get a flaky pastry.
Officer Dave, should you be eating Crisco and lard and shit with your
serious cardiac condition? I remember reading many posts where you told
of your dramatic near death experiences. Plus your posts crowing about
all the diagnostics, treatments, and surgeries, which you obtained FREE
from the canadian government.

So, now you're just gonna eat Crisco and blow it all away, after the
taxpayers have graciously funded the patching of your failing, rotten heart?

Damn Dave, I hope they don't spread trash all over your grave.

Master Bruce will probably put some nice flowers on top off all the
trash though.
gm
2024-11-15 00:51:38 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Michael Trew
Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are
crap because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead
of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry,
ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies
that were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home made
pie dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the
best store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some
people really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It is not
just a matter of convenience because they just can't do it.  I
consider myself lucky to have learned how to make it and that I find
it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter
is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that
will be a project for some day.
I usually use Crisco for dessert pies and lard for savory pies. It is
important not to cut the fat too fine. You need to have chunks of fat in
there to get a flaky pastry.
Officer Dave, should you be eating Crisco and lard and shit with your
serious cardiac condition? I remember reading many posts where you told
of your dramatic near death experiences. Plus your posts crowing about
all the diagnostics, treatments, and surgeries, which you obtained FREE
from the canadian government.
So, now you're just gonna eat Crisco and blow it all away, after the
taxpayers have graciously funded the patching of your failing, rotten heart?
Damn Dave, I hope they don't spread trash all over your grave.
Master Bruce will probably put some nice flowers on top off all the
trash though.
Since canaduh has such lousy "health care", Offiser Dave will have to
"wait in line" to croak, lol...!!!

😎

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2024-11-15 16:30:14 UTC
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Post by Hank Rogers
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Michael Trew
Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are
crap because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead
of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry,
ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies
that were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home made
pie dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the
best store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some
people really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It is not
just a matter of convenience because they just can't do it.  I
consider myself lucky to have learned how to make it and that I find
it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter
is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that
will be a project for some day.
I usually use Crisco for dessert pies and lard for savory pies. It is
important not to cut the fat too fine. You need to have chunks of fat in
there to get a flaky pastry.
Officer Dave, should you be eating Crisco and lard and shit with your
serious cardiac condition? I remember reading many posts where you told
of your dramatic near death experiences. Plus your posts crowing about
all the diagnostics, treatments, and surgeries, which you obtained FREE
from the canadian government.
So, now you're just gonna eat Crisco and blow it all away, after the
taxpayers have graciously funded the patching of your failing, rotten heart?
Damn Dave, I hope they don't spread trash all over your grave.
Master Bruce will probably put some nice flowers on top off all the
trash though.
Since canaduh has such lousy "health care", Offiser Dave will have to
"wait in line" to croak, lol...!!!
😎
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GM
Perhaps not:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/25/canada-assisted-dying-laws-in-spotlight-as-expansion-paused-again

Canada has one of the highest rates of euthanasia in the world, with
4.1% of deaths aided by doctors

Government figures show that 13,102 people ended their lives under Maid
in 2022 – an increase of 30% on the previous year.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-15 21:05:58 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Michael Trew
Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are
crap because they are full of crappy ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter
instead of Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought
pastry, ick.
Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies
that were made with them.  They are, IMO, inferior to real home
made pie dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better
than the best store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact
that some people really struggle with dough making and rolling.  It
is not just a matter of convenience because they just can't do it.Â
I consider myself lucky to have learned how to make it and that I
find it easy.
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold
butter is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard,
that will be a project for some day.
I usually use Crisco for dessert pies and lard for savory pies. It is
important not to cut the fat too fine. You need to have chunks of fat
in there to get a flaky pastry.
Officer Dave, should you be eating Crisco and lard and shit with your
serious cardiac condition? I remember reading many posts where you told
of your dramatic near death experiences. Plus your posts crowing about
all the diagnostics, treatments, and surgeries, which you obtained FREE
from the canadian government.
So, now you're just gonna eat Crisco and blow it all away, after the
taxpayers have graciously funded the patching of your failing, rotten heart?
Damn Dave, I hope they don't spread trash all over your grave.
Master Bruce will probably put some nice flowers on top off all the
trash though.
Spinefex.


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Michael Trew
2024-11-16 04:18:31 UTC
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Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter
is a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that
will be a project for some day.
I usually use Crisco for dessert pies and lard for savory pies. It is
important not to cut the fat too fine. You need to have chunks of fat in
there to get a flaky pastry.
I usually aim for pea sized butter bits cut in, similar to biscuit
dough. Of course, biscuit dough requiring a lot less handling than
pastry. I'm thankful for whomever told me to cut the butter in frozen.
Dave Smith
2024-11-16 04:20:42 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
I usually use Crisco for dessert pies and lard for savory pies. It is
important not to cut the fat too fine. You need to have chunks of fat
in there to get a flaky pastry.
I usually aim for pea sized butter bits cut in, similar to biscuit
dough.  Of course, biscuit dough requiring a lot less handling than
pastry.  I'm thankful for whomever told me to cut the butter in frozen.
You can also use a grater on frozen butter.
jmcquown
2024-11-16 13:06:49 UTC
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I usually use Crisco for dessert pies and lard for savory pies. It is
important not to cut the fat too fine. You need to have chunks of fat
in there to get a flaky pastry.
I usually aim for pea sized butter bits cut in, similar to biscuit
dough.  Of course, biscuit dough requiring a lot less handling than
pastry.  I'm thankful for whomever told me to cut the butter in frozen.
You can also use a grater on frozen butter.
Yes!

Jill
dsi1
2024-11-15 22:20:39 UTC
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Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily. I found that cold butter is
a much better texture than Crisco. I've never tried lard, that will be
a project for some day.
I'm a shortening kind of dude. I've used butter before when making a
shortcrust. I wasn't happy with it. It might be easier for people to use
butter up North where it's colder. It might be better for folks closer
to the equator to use Crisco. I used to be into meat pies - they are
delicious! I've made meat pies with pizza dough but that's no fun at
all.

I made some biscuits this morning with butter. I wanted to try out a new
recipe. It's the same as a regular biscuit except that you use a stupid
amount of baking powder - 2 tablespoons. It seemed like a typo but the
biscuits come out pretty good. I'm a believer - it's a stupid amount of
baking powder in biscuits from now on!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zVtQt7oYJ3dktaxi8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/UnMtiX5Dea4zGkLP9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/t6247zk3ySyqHTN58
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-15 22:25:09 UTC
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Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter is
a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that will be
a project for some day.
I'm a shortening kind of dude. I've used butter before when making a
shortcrust. I wasn't happy with it. It might be easier for people to use
butter up North where it's colder. It might be better for folks closer
to the equator to use Crisco. I used to be into meat pies - they are
delicious! I've made meat pies with pizza dough but that's no fun at
all.
I made some biscuits this morning with butter. I wanted to try out a new
recipe. It's the same as a regular biscuit except that you use a stupid
amount of baking powder - 2 tablespoons. It seemed like a typo but the
biscuits come out pretty good. I'm a believer - it's a stupid amount of
baking powder in biscuits from now on!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zVtQt7oYJ3dktaxi8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UnMtiX5Dea4zGkLP9
Interdasting cut and pasty...
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/t6247zk3ySyqHTN58
Now yer jammin'!
dsi1
2024-11-15 23:43:43 UTC
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Post by dsi1
Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter is
a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that will be
a project for some day.
I'm a shortening kind of dude. I've used butter before when making a
shortcrust. I wasn't happy with it. It might be easier for people to use
butter up North where it's colder. It might be better for folks closer
to the equator to use Crisco. I used to be into meat pies - they are
delicious! I've made meat pies with pizza dough but that's no fun at
all.
I made some biscuits this morning with butter. I wanted to try out a new
recipe. It's the same as a regular biscuit except that you use a stupid
amount of baking powder - 2 tablespoons. It seemed like a typo but the
biscuits come out pretty good. I'm a believer - it's a stupid amount of
baking powder in biscuits from now on!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zVtQt7oYJ3dktaxi8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UnMtiX5Dea4zGkLP9
Interdasting cut and pasty...
Post by dsi1
https://photos.app.goo.gl/t6247zk3ySyqHTN58
Now yer jammin'!
Lunch today was hamburger with gravy. That dish was so intense that I
still feel vibrations from eating. It's quite remarkable.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/NDkCuDvxjX7Tete39
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-15 23:51:10 UTC
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Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter is
a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that will be
a project for some day.
I'm a shortening kind of dude. I've used butter before when making a
shortcrust. I wasn't happy with it. It might be easier for people to use
butter up North where it's colder. It might be better for folks closer
to the equator to use Crisco. I used to be into meat pies - they are
delicious! I've made meat pies with pizza dough but that's no fun at
all.
I made some biscuits this morning with butter. I wanted to try out a new
recipe. It's the same as a regular biscuit except that you use a stupid
amount of baking powder - 2 tablespoons. It seemed like a typo but the
biscuits come out pretty good. I'm a believer - it's a stupid amount of
baking powder in biscuits from now on!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zVtQt7oYJ3dktaxi8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UnMtiX5Dea4zGkLP9
Interdasting cut and pasty...
Post by dsi1
https://photos.app.goo.gl/t6247zk3ySyqHTN58
Now yer jammin'!
Lunch today was hamburger with gravy. That dish was so intense that I
still feel vibrations from eating. It's quite remarkable.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NDkCuDvxjX7Tete39
Simple and satisfying works every time.

https://www.razzledazzlelife.com/hamburger-steaks/
Hank Rogers
2024-11-17 00:25:12 UTC
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Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily.  I found that cold butter is
a much better texture than Crisco.  I've never tried lard, that will be
a project for some day.
I'm a shortening kind of dude. I've used butter before when making a
shortcrust. I wasn't happy with it. It might be easier for people to use
butter up North where it's colder. It might be better for folks closer
to the equator to use Crisco. I used to be into meat pies - they are
delicious! I've made meat pies with pizza dough but that's no fun at
all.
I made some biscuits this morning with butter. I wanted to try out a new
recipe. It's the same as a regular biscuit except that you use a stupid
amount of baking powder - 2 tablespoons. It seemed like a typo but the
biscuits come out pretty good. I'm a believer - it's a stupid amount of
baking powder in biscuits from now on!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zVtQt7oYJ3dktaxi8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UnMtiX5Dea4zGkLP9
Interdasting cut and pasty...
Post by dsi1
https://photos.app.goo.gl/t6247zk3ySyqHTN58
Now yer jammin'!
Lunch today was hamburger with gravy. That dish was so intense that I
still feel vibrations from eating. It's quite remarkable.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NDkCuDvxjX7Tete39
Simple and satisfying works every time.
https://www.razzledazzlelife.com/hamburger-steaks/
Da hawaiians do love hamboogers and gravy. Especially if they're buried
and cooked in a pit with hot rocks.
D
2024-11-16 10:29:31 UTC
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Luckily I got the hang of it fairly easily. I found that cold butter is
a much better texture than Crisco. I've never tried lard, that will be
a project for some day.
I'm a shortening kind of dude. I've used butter before when making a
shortcrust. I wasn't happy with it. It might be easier for people to use
butter up North where it's colder. It might be better for folks closer
to the equator to use Crisco. I used to be into meat pies - they are
delicious! I've made meat pies with pizza dough but that's no fun at
all.
I made some biscuits this morning with butter. I wanted to try out a new
recipe. It's the same as a regular biscuit except that you use a stupid
amount of baking powder - 2 tablespoons. It seemed like a typo but the
biscuits come out pretty good. I'm a believer - it's a stupid amount of
baking powder in biscuits from now on!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zVtQt7oYJ3dktaxi8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UnMtiX5Dea4zGkLP9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/t6247zk3ySyqHTN58
Looks good to me! What's the recipe you used?
Cindy Hamilton
2024-11-13 19:17:52 UTC
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Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.
It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.
A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.
Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better.  ;)
I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.
Hmm, I guess you made me look something up as well. It looks tasty.
https://www.pardonyourfrench.com/classic-tarte-tatin/
Post by BryanGSimmons
Most American pie crusts, and
American baked goods in general are crap because they are full of crappy
ingredients.
I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead of
Crisco. I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.
I can get quite a good pie at the bakery. I think they switched
from lard to butter for the vegetarians. They also sell just the
crusts, frozen and unbaked.
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Bruce
2024-11-12 19:33:52 UTC
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Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
Do you claim that it was the Dutch?
Well, somewhere in Europe, most likely.
Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better. ;)
Yours will have more ingredients, that's for sure :)
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Dave Smith
2024-11-12 21:06:04 UTC
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Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
Do you claim that it was the Dutch?
Either way, ours is better.  ;)
How would you know? You are not qualified to rate them if you have never
had the others.
Michael Trew
2024-11-13 17:24:35 UTC
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Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
Americans also think they invented apple pie.
Do you claim that it was the Dutch?
Either way, ours is better.  ;)
How would you know? You are not qualified to rate them if you have never
had the others.
That's fair, but I'm just poking fun at Bruce.
D
2024-11-12 10:20:06 UTC
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The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
K Wills
2024-11-13 08:52:37 UTC
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Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
--
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be. If you want me to work on this case, I'm going to be calling you
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D
2024-11-13 09:35:48 UTC
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The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
dsi1
2024-11-13 11:13:25 UTC
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The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
The old Romans must have liked pine nuts. My son makes Roman dates. It
was made with pine nuts and walnuts. My son's dates don't have any pine
nuts. It's a bit harder to find pine nuts on this rock, than it was in
the Roman Empire.


D
2024-11-13 15:21:02 UTC
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The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
The old Romans must have liked pine nuts. My son makes Roman dates. It
was made with pine nuts and walnuts. My son's dates don't have any pine
nuts. It's a bit harder to find pine nuts on this rock, than it was in
the Roman Empire.
http://youtu.be/iVMl8hao0Bs
This is probably true! If you look at the arabian world, they do a lot of
delicious stuff with nuts and honey. I would not be surprised at all that
this also found its way into the roman empire.
K Wills
2024-11-14 08:43:42 UTC
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Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;)
Yippy!
Post by D
I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
I think I read that somewhere.
I found this site that offers some details:

https://museumcrush.org/the-1500-year-old-recipe-that-shows-how-romans-invented-the-beef-burger/
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One of the best deals ever!
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2024-11-14 13:47:34 UTC
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The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;)
Yippy!
Post by D
I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
I think I read that somewhere.
https://museumcrush.org/the-1500-year-old-recipe-that-shows-how-romans-invented-the-beef-burger/
Thank you! Time for a refresh!
hells bells
2024-11-14 16:35:22 UTC
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Yippy!
https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/state-v-wills-no-888553359
Jerry Sauk
2024-12-18 00:51:14 UTC
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Post by D
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
Pine nuts? Minced meat?

Then it's NOT a hamburger. They inveneted SOMETHING ELSE.
K Wills
2024-12-18 09:14:29 UTC
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Post by D
Post by K Wills
Post by D
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
Pine nuts? Minced meat?
Then it's NOT a hamburger.
Do cease your lying.
Hamburger is minced beef.
Post by Jerry Sauk
They inveneted SOMETHING ELSE.
Nope. But you know this.

[Cue Jenny running away from the truth. Or diverting from it.]
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D
2024-12-18 23:06:11 UTC
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Post by Jerry Sauk
Post by D
Post by K Wills
Post by D
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
Pine nuts? Minced meat?
Then it's NOT a hamburger.
Do cease your lying.
Hamburger is minced beef.
Post by Jerry Sauk
They inveneted SOMETHING ELSE.
Nope. But you know this.
This aligns very beautifully with my own opinion. I'm starting to believe
that perhaps Jerry is not the expert I thought him to be. =/
Post by K Wills
[Cue Jenny running away from the truth. Or diverting from it.]
K Wills
2024-12-19 09:03:05 UTC
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Post by Jerry Sauk
Post by D
Post by K Wills
Post by D
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
Pine nuts? Minced meat?
Then it's NOT a hamburger.
Do cease your lying.
Hamburger is minced beef.
Post by Jerry Sauk
They inveneted SOMETHING ELSE.
Nope. But you know this.
This aligns very beautifully with my own opinion. I'm starting to believe
that perhaps Jerry is not the expert I thought him to be. =/
He does have a very real NEED to lie.
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Jerry Sauk
2024-12-22 00:16:02 UTC
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Post by Jerry Sauk
Post by D
Post by K Wills
Post by D
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
Pine nuts? Minced meat?
Then it's NOT a hamburger.
Do cease your lying.
Hamburger is minced beef.
Not with Pine nuts it isn't.
KlausSchadenfreude
2024-12-18 14:56:36 UTC
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Post by D
Post by K Wills
Post by D
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
Pine nuts? Minced meat?
Then it's NOT a hamburger. They inveneted SOMETHING ELSE.
Of course it's a hamburger, Jenny.

Ground meat, called mince or minced meat outside North America, is
meat finely chopped by a meat grinder or a chopping knife. A common
type of ground meat is ground beef, but many other types of meats are
prepared in a similar fashion, including pork, veal, lamb, goat meat,
and poultry.
Jerry Sauk
2024-12-22 00:16:34 UTC
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Post by Jerry Sauk
Post by D
Post by K Wills
Post by D
I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
Pine nuts? Minced meat?
Then it's NOT a hamburger. They inveneted SOMETHING ELSE.
Of course it's a hamburger, Jenny.
Hamburger's don't have pine nuts.
D
2024-12-18 23:03:25 UTC
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I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
Pine nuts? Minced meat?
Then it's NOT a hamburger. They inveneted SOMETHING ELSE.
Do you have proof?
Jerry Sauk
2024-12-22 00:17:08 UTC
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I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)
It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.
Pine nuts? Minced meat?
Then it's NOT a hamburger. They inveneted SOMETHING ELSE.
Do you have proof?
Yes, the fact that hamburger is made with ground beef, not minced meat and
pine nuts.

hells bells
2024-11-13 18:48:01 UTC
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Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you 🙂
Please explain this:


https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26
dsi1
2024-11-12 19:39:55 UTC
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The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
I made Hawaiian hamburger steak last night. Hamburger, bread crumbs,
dehydrated onions, Korean beef stock powder, black pepper. It was served
with lots of brown gravy. It was dinner fit for a King of Hawaii.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/CJ-Dasida-Soup-Stock-Beef-Flavor-500g-1lb-Beef-Flavor/989013648
KlausSchadenfreude
2024-11-12 19:45:18 UTC
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Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
Whoever invented it, I wonder if it ever occured to them that, some
day, people in the U.S. along would eat 50 billion of them every year.
Jerry Sauk
2024-12-18 00:50:15 UTC
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The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
<sigh> just read wikipedia. the hamburger was invented in Seymour,
Wisconsin.

PERIOID.
K Wills
2024-12-18 09:13:59 UTC
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Post by Jerry Sauk
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
<sigh> just read wikipedia. the hamburger was invented in Seymour,
Wisconsin.
PERIOID.
No, it wasn't. You've already had this PROVED to you several
times.
What do you believe you gain from LYING about this matter? I
really do want to know.

[Cue Jenny running away from the truth. Or diverting from it.]
--
A small number of the documented lies of Jerry "Jenny" Sauk.
http://jerrylies.byethost22.com/?i=2
Jerry Sauk
2024-12-22 00:14:31 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 18:50:15 -0600, "Jerry Sauk"
Post by Jerry Sauk
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
<sigh> just read wikipedia. the hamburger was invented in Seymour,
Wisconsin.
PERIOID.
No, it wasn't. You've already had this PROVED to you several
times.
What do you believe you gain from LYING about this matter? I
really do want to know.
Did you read the wikipedia article?
KlausSchadenfreude
2024-12-18 14:57:57 UTC
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Post by Jerry Sauk
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
<sigh> just read wikipedia. the hamburger was invented in Seymour,
Wisconsin.
PERIOID.
You're lying.

The hamburger's origin is unclear, though "hamburger steak sandwiches"
have been advertised in U.S. newspapers from New York to Hawaii since
at least the 1890s.[13] The invention of hamburgers is commonly
attributed to various people, including Charlie Nagreen, Frank and
Charles Menches, Oscar Weber Bilby, Fletcher Davis, or Louis
Lassen.[14][15] White Castle traces the origin of the hamburger to
Hamburg, Germany, with its invention by Otto Krause.[16] Some have
pointed to a recipe for "Hamburgh sausages" on toasted bread,
published in The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy by Hannah Glasse
in 1758.[13] Hamburgers gained national recognition in the U.S. at the
1904 St. Louis World's Fair when the New York Tribune referred to the
hamburger as "the innovation of a food vendor on the pike."[15] No
conclusive argument has ended the dispute over invention. An article
from ABC News sums up: "One problem is that there is little written
history. Another issue is that the burger spread happened largely at
the World's Fair, from tiny vendors that came and went instantly. And
it is entirely possible that more than one person came up with the
idea at the same time in different parts of the country."[17]

Louis Lassen
Although debunked by The Washington Post,[13] a popular myth recorded
by Connecticut Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro stated the first hamburger
served in America was by Louis Lassen, a Danish immigrant, after he
opened Louis' Lunch in New Haven in 1895.[18] Louis' Lunch, a small
lunch wagon in New Haven, Connecticut, is said to have sold the first
hamburger and steak sandwich in the U.S. in 1900.[19][20][21] New York
Magazine states that "The dish actually had no name until some rowdy
sailors from Hamburg named the meat on a bun after themselves years
later", also noting that this claim is subject to dispute.[22] A
customer ordered a quick hot meal and Louis was out of steaks. Taking
ground beef trimmings, Louis made a patty and grilled it, putting it
between two slices of toast.[15] Some critics such as Josh Ozersky, a
food editor for New York Magazine, claim that this sandwich was not a
hamburger because the bread was toasted.[23]

Charlie Nagreen
One of the earliest claims comes from Charlie Nagreen, who in 1885
sold a meatball between two slices of bread at the Seymour Fair[24]
now sometimes called the Outagamie County Fair.[23] The Seymour
Community Historical Society of Seymour, Wisconsin, credits Nagreen,
now known as "Hamburger Charlie", with the invention. Nagreen was 15
when he reportedly sold pork sandwiches at the 1885 Seymour Fair so
customers could eat while walking. The Historical Society explains
that Nagreen named the hamburger after the Hamburg steak with which
local German immigrants were familiar.[25][26]

Otto Kuase
According to White Castle, Otto Kuase was the inventor of the
hamburger. In 1891, he created a beef patty cooked in butter and
topped with a fried egg. German sailors later omitted the fried
egg.[15]

Oscar Weber Bilby
The family of Oscar Weber Bilby claims the first-known hamburger on a
bun was served on July 4, 1891, on Grandpa Oscar's farm. The bun was a
yeast bun.[27][28][29] In 1995, Governor Frank Keating proclaimed that
the first true hamburger on a bun was created and consumed in Tulsa,
Oklahoma in 1891, calling Tulsa, "The Real Birthplace of the
Hamburger".[30]

Frank and Charles Menches

A bacon cheeseburger, from a New York City diner
Frank and Charles Menches claim to have sold a ground beef sandwich at
the Erie County Fair in 1885 in Hamburg, New York.[23] During the
fair, they ran out of pork sausage for their sandwiches and
substituted beef.[24] The brothers exhausted their supply of sausage,
so they purchased chopped-up beef from a butcher, Andrew Klein.
Historian Joseph Streamer wrote that the meat was from Stein's market,
not Klein's, despite Stein's having sold the market in 1874.[24] The
story notes that the name of the hamburger comes from Hamburg, New
York, not Hamburg, Germany.[24] Frank Menches's obituary in The New
York Times states that these events took place at the 1892 Summit
County Fair in Akron, Ohio.[31]

Fletcher Davis
Fletcher Davis of Athens, Texas claimed to have invented the
hamburger. According to oral histories, in the 1880s, he opened a
lunch counter in Athens and served a 'burger' of fried ground beef
patties with mustard and Bermuda onion between two slices of bread,
with a pickle on the side.[15] The story is that in 1904, Davis and
his wife Ciddy ran a sandwich stand at the St. Louis World's Fair.[15]
Historian Frank X. Tolbert noted that Athens resident Clint Murchison
said his grandfather dated the hamburger to the 1880s with Fletcher
"Old Dave" Davis.[24] A photo of "Old Dave's Hamburger Stand" from
1904 was sent to Tolbert as evidence of the claim.[24]

Other hamburger-steak claims
Various non-specific claims of the invention relate to the term
"hamburger steak" without mention of its being a sandwich. The first
printed American menu listing hamburgers is an 1834 menu from
Delmonico's in New York.[32] However, the printer of the original menu
was not in business in 1834.[29] In 1889, a menu from Walla Walla
Union in Washington offered hamburger steak as a menu item.[15]

Between 1871 and 1884, "Hamburg Beefsteak" was on the "Breakfast and
Supper Menu" of the Clipper Restaurant at 311/313 Pacific Street in
San Fernando, California. It cost 10 cents—the same price as mutton
chops, pig's feet in batter, and stewed veal. It was not, however, on
the dinner menu. Only "Pig's Head", "Calf Tongue", and "Stewed
Kidneys" were listed.[33] Another claim ties the hamburger to Summit
County, New York, or Ohio. Summit County, Ohio, exists, but Summit
County, New York, does not.[24]
Jerry Sauk
2024-12-22 00:15:32 UTC
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Post by Jerry Sauk
Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith
<sigh> just read wikipedia. the hamburger was invented in Seymour,
Wisconsin.
PERIOID.
You're lying.
The hamburger's origin is unclear,
Not it's not, it's perfectly clear.

Seymour, Wisconsin. <----------- Put your glasses on maybe?
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