The hamburger

[Judith Latham]

The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.


Judith

[Bruce]

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

[Hank Rogers]

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

And they keep shitting all over you, Master.

[gm]

Post by Hank Rogers

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

And they keep shitting all over you, Master.

"master" should check in with "Dr Jill", hehe...

NY POST:

Melania Trump declines to meet with Jill Biden at White House, citing
Mar-a-Lago raid: source

"Melania Trump declined an offer to head to the White House Wednesday
and meet with Jill Biden, citing the Biden administration’s past raid on
Mar-a-Lago as part of the federal government’s investigation into
classified documents..

“She ain’t going,” a source familiar with Melania’s decision told The
Post. “Jill Biden’s husband authorized the FBI snooping through her
underwear drawer. The Bidens are disgusting,” the source said...

“Jill Biden isn’t someone Melania needs to meet,” the source added...

The FBI raided Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in August 2022 in
their probe of the 45th president’s withholding of classified White
House documents...

“Yeah, it made me angry,” she said on “Fox and Friends” in a September
interview, calling it an “invasion of privacy...”

“I saw unpleasant stuff that nobody wants to see,” Melania said of her
experience returning to her ransacked residence. “And you get angry
because, you know, nobody should be putting up with that kind of
stuff...”

Trump’s confidential documents case was dismissed by US District Judge
Aileen Cannon in July..."

--
GM

[D]

Post by gm

Post by Hank Rogers

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

And they keep shitting all over you, Master.

"master" should check in with "Dr Jill", hehe...
Melania Trump declines to meet with Jill Biden at White House, citing
Mar-a-Lago raid: source
"Melania Trump declined an offer to head to the White House Wednesday
and meet with Jill Biden, citing the Biden administration’s past raid on
Mar-a-Lago as part of the federal government’s investigation into
classified documents..
“She ain’t going,” a source familiar with Melania’s decision told The
Post. “Jill Biden’s husband authorized the FBI snooping through her
underwear drawer. The Bidens are disgusting,” the source said...
“Jill Biden isn’t someone Melania needs to meet,” the source added...
The FBI raided Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in August 2022 in
their probe of the 45th president’s withholding of classified White
House documents...
“Yeah, it made me angry,” she said on “Fox and Friends” in a September
interview, calling it an “invasion of privacy...”
“I saw unpleasant stuff that nobody wants to see,” Melania said of her
experience returning to her ransacked residence. “And you get angry
because, you know, nobody should be putting up with that kind of
stuff...”
Trump’s confidential documents case was dismissed by US District Judge
Aileen Cannon in July..."
--
GM

Completely reasonable! What goes around, comes around. I imagine some FBI
agents will get the job to go through Xidens drawers as well in the months
to come. Since the man is senile, we must be very careful to make sure no
top secret documents have been "forgotten" somewhere.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

Do you claim that it was the Dutch?

Either way, ours is better. ;)

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

Do you claim that it was the Dutch?

Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.

It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.

A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.

Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better. ;)

I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.

[D]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

Do you claim that it was the Dutch?

Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.
It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.
A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.

Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better. ;)

I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.

No, this is not so good. I give the crown to the humble apple crumble! The
Donald Trump of pies!

[BryanGSimmons]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

Do you claim that it was the Dutch?

Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.
It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.
A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.

Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better. ;)

I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.

This Friday my wife and I are taking a class on making cream puffs.
https://www.alliancestl.org/events/lets-make-choux-pastries-free-cooking-class-with-suzanne-corbett

My wife is a member, so it's free. Most American pie crusts, and
American baked goods in general are crap because they are full of crappy
ingredients.

[Michael Trew]

Post by BryanGSimmons

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.
It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.
A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.

Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better.  ;)

I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.

Hmm, I guess you made me look something up as well. It looks tasty.

https://www.pardonyourfrench.com/classic-tarte-tatin/

Post by BryanGSimmons
Most American pie crusts, and
American baked goods in general are crap because they are full of crappy
ingredients.

I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead of
Crisco. I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Michael Trew

Most American pie crusts, and American baked goods in general are crap
because they are full of crappy ingredients.

I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead of
Crisco.  I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.

Good for you. I have never used one but I have had "home made" pies that
were made with them. They are, IMO, inferior to real home made pie
dough. The worse home made pie crust is probably better than the best
store bought. However, we have to accept the sad fact that some people
really struggle with dough making and rolling. It is not just a matter
of convenience because they just can't do it. I consider myself lucky
to have learned how to make it and that I find it easy.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Michael Trew

Post by BryanGSimmons

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Aw, you made me look it up on Wikipedia.
It would appear that the earliest (14th Century) written recipe is English.
A 15th-Century Dutch cookbook provides a slightly different recipe.

Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better.  ;)

I might give the crown to the French, for tarte tatin.

Hmm, I guess you made me look something up as well. It looks tasty.
https://www.pardonyourfrench.com/classic-tarte-tatin/

Post by BryanGSimmons
Most American pie crusts, and
American baked goods in general are crap because they are full of crappy
ingredients.

I've adapted grandma's pie crust recipe to use frozen butter instead of
Crisco. I've never met a decent (grocery) store bought pastry, ick.

I can get quite a good pie at the bakery. I think they switched
from lard to butter for the vegetarians. They also sell just the
crusts, frozen and unbaked.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:14:13 -0500, Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

Do you claim that it was the Dutch?

Well, somewhere in Europe, most likely.

Post by Michael Trew
Either way, ours is better. ;)

Yours will have more ingredients, that's for sure :)

[Dave Smith]

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

Do you claim that it was the Dutch?
Either way, ours is better.  ;)

How would you know? You are not qualified to rate them if you have never
had the others.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.

Americans also think they invented apple pie.

Do you claim that it was the Dutch?
Either way, ours is better.  ;)

How would you know? You are not qualified to rate them if you have never
had the others.

That's fair, but I'm just poking fun at Bruce.

[D]

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith

I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.

[K Wills]

Post by D

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith

I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.

Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)

[D]

Post by K Wills

Post by D

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith

I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.

Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)

It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.

[dsi1]

Post by D

Post by K Wills

Post by D

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith

I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.

Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)

It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.

The old Romans must have liked pine nuts. My son makes Roman dates. It
was made with pine nuts and walnuts. My son's dates don't have any pine
nuts. It's a bit harder to find pine nuts on this rock, than it was in
the Roman Empire.

[D]

Post by dsi1

Post by D

Post by K Wills

Post by D

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith

I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.

Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)

It does help me a little bit. ;) I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.

The old Romans must have liked pine nuts. My son makes Roman dates. It
was made with pine nuts and walnuts. My son's dates don't have any pine
nuts. It's a bit harder to find pine nuts on this rock, than it was in
the Roman Empire.
http://youtu.be/iVMl8hao0Bs

This is probably true! If you look at the arabian world, they do a lot of
delicious stuff with nuts and honey. I would not be surprised at all that
this also found its way into the roman empire.

[K Wills]

Post by D

Post by K Wills

Post by D

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith

I think it has been invented independently by many cultures. The romans
had a streetfood version of hamburger as well.

Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you :)

It does help me a little bit. ;)

Yippy!

Post by D
I think, if memory serves, that in
ancient rome they mixed pine nuts into the minced meat.

I think I read that somewhere.
I found this site that offers some details:

https://museumcrush.org/the-1500-year-old-recipe-that-shows-how-romans-invented-the-beef-burger/

[hells bells]

Post by K Wills
Your idea makes a lot of sense. At least to me.
Not sure how much that will help you 🙂

Please explain this:


https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

[dsi1]

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith

I made Hawaiian hamburger steak last night. Hamburger, bread crumbs,
dehydrated onions, Korean beef stock powder, black pepper. It was served
with lots of brown gravy. It was dinner fit for a King of Hawaii.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/CJ-Dasida-Soup-Stock-Beef-Flavor-500g-1lb-Beef-Flavor/989013648

[KlausSchadenfreude]

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:29:49 -0500, Judith Latham

Post by Judith Latham
The humble hamburger has a mixed history, with claims made by Germany
that they were the first country to invent the iconic American dish.
But Americans steadfastly claim to be the first inventor of putting a
ground beef patty between two pieces of bread, although the name is
thought to be associated with a European emigrant's last port before
leaving Europe: the German city of Hamburg. A man named Fletcher Davis
from Athens, TX, is credited with inventing the "hamburger" during the
1880s.
Judith

Whoever invented it, I wonder if it ever occured to them that, some
day, people in the U.S. along would eat 50 billion of them every year.