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Bulk food storage containers
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Jennifer Murphy
2011-05-31 15:42:46 UTC
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I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.

Here's a 50 lb bag of steel cut oats for $50:

http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx

And here's a 50 lb bag of rice for $53:

http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx

Now I need a way to store them. I see 5 gallon buckets available:

http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx

but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.

Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?

I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Sqwertz
2011-05-31 15:53:19 UTC
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Snip possible spam.

50lbs bags of rice should be less than $25. Jasmine if $25 at CostCo,
white long is $20. Both in 50lb sacks. Foodservice distributors also
sell that at those prices.

Honeyville grain seems to be a ripoff.

-sw
Storrmmee
2011-05-31 16:33:26 UTC
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i was actually going to call the dh to see if i were rembering costco prices
correctly, i see i was from your post, Lee
Post by Sqwertz
Snip possible spam.
50lbs bags of rice should be less than $25. Jasmine if $25 at CostCo,
white long is $20. Both in 50lb sacks. Foodservice distributors also
sell that at those prices.
Honeyville grain seems to be a ripoff.
-sw
sf
2011-05-31 15:59:20 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Why don't you use garbage cans for storage? I'd put the entire 50
sack in it and scoop what I needed into my daily use container from
there. Another way to go is to look for a disaster preparedness store
in your area to buy the large food storage containers.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
Jennifer Murphy
2011-05-31 18:06:10 UTC
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Post by sf
On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Why don't you use garbage cans for storage? I'd put the entire 50
sack in it and scoop what I needed into my daily use container from
there. Another way to go is to look for a disaster preparedness store
in your area to buy the large food storage containers.
Do you mean the 50 gal garbage cans for outside use? They are way too
large and they are not air tight.

When I searched for "disaster preparedness", all I found were
Armageddon types selling pre-packaged food.
Catmandy (Sheryl)
2011-05-31 22:40:17 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Murphy
Post by sf
On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Why don't you use garbage cans for storage?  I'd put the entire 50
sack in it and scoop what I needed into my daily use container from
there.  Another way to go is to look for a disaster preparedness store
in your area to buy the large food storage containers.
Do you mean the 50 gal garbage cans for outside use? They are way too
large and they are not air tight.
When I searched for "disaster preparedness", all I found were
Armageddon types selling pre-packaged food.
find a container sold for pet food storage. They are food grade and
air tight. 50 lbs of kibble is probably "bigger" by volume than 50 lbs
of rice or oats but you may be able to find a container for 25 lbs of
kibble that could work.

Here is one:
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3437187&utm_source=googleproduct&utm_campaign=5140094&utm_medium=cse&mr:trackingCode=1CD934A0-1E93-DE11-A7DF-002219319097&mr:referralID=NA
Jennifer Murphy
2011-05-31 23:02:31 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:40:17 -0700 (PDT), "Catmandy (Sheryl)"
Post by Catmandy (Sheryl)
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Post by sf
On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Why don't you use garbage cans for storage?  I'd put the entire 50
sack in it and scoop what I needed into my daily use container from
there.  Another way to go is to look for a disaster preparedness store
in your area to buy the large food storage containers.
Do you mean the 50 gal garbage cans for outside use? They are way too
large and they are not air tight.
When I searched for "disaster preparedness", all I found were
Armageddon types selling pre-packaged food.
find a container sold for pet food storage. They are food grade and
air tight. 50 lbs of kibble is probably "bigger" by volume than 50 lbs
of rice or oats but you may be able to find a container for 25 lbs of
kibble that could work.
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3437187&utm_source=googleproduct&utm_campaign=5140094&utm_medium=cse&mr:trackingCode=1CD934A0-1E93-DE11-A7DF-002219319097&mr:referralID=NA
Another great idea, thanks. These come in all sizes and shapes.
Brooklyn1
2011-06-01 01:37:31 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:40:17 -0700 (PDT), "Catmandy (Sheryl)"
Post by Catmandy (Sheryl)
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Post by sf
On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Why don't you use garbage cans for storage?  I'd put the entire 50
sack in it and scoop what I needed into my daily use container from
there.  Another way to go is to look for a disaster preparedness store
in your area to buy the large food storage containers.
Do you mean the 50 gal garbage cans for outside use? They are way too
large and they are not air tight.
When I searched for "disaster preparedness", all I found were
Armageddon types selling pre-packaged food.
find a container sold for pet food storage. They are food grade and
air tight. 50 lbs of kibble is probably "bigger" by volume than 50 lbs
of rice or oats but you may be able to find a container for 25 lbs of
kibble that could work.
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3437187&utm_source=googleproduct&utm_campaign=5140094&utm_medium=cse&mr:trackingCode=1CD934A0-1E93-DE11-A7DF-002219319097&mr:referralID=NA
I use the emptied cat litter buckets to store dried cat food...
they're strong, have tight fitting lids, have nice bail handles for
carrying, and they're free... well, not actually free, you pay for
them when you buy cat litter... they're so well made I think they're
worth more than the litter. I save all those large buckets because
they nest and I have room to store them... they are very handy for all
sorts of uses indoors and out. Another very handy storage container
are those 34 ounce Folger's coffee cannisters, their lids fit very
well too, but the thing I like best is its built-in carry handle,
whoever designed them deserves an award. Purina's Tidy Cat litter is
packaged in very nice reusable wide mouth screw lid jugs and available
in several sizes. http://www.tidycats.com/Products/Scoop/
Storrmmee
2011-05-31 16:11:40 UTC
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how much fits in your one gallon cans, if it were me and i wanted to use
cans i would figure out how much fit in the cans i had to see if i needed a
larger can or if it would be easier to store it in a few of the same sized
can, makng for easier lifting, and stackin when cans are empty, if i did
this i would get one more than the fifty pounds called for and i could then
reorder and refill the cans while still using the last of the older stock.

Lee
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Jennifer Murphy
2011-05-31 18:12:25 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:11:40 -0500, "Storrmmee"
Post by Storrmmee
how much fits in your one gallon cans, if it were me and i wanted to use
cans i would figure out how much fit in the cans i had to see if i needed a
larger can or if it would be easier to store it in a few of the same sized
can, makng for easier lifting, and stackin when cans are empty, if i did
this i would get one more than the fifty pounds called for and i could then
reorder and refill the cans while still using the last of the older stock.
That's a great plan, but I think I'll need new 1 gal cans. The ones I
have are the ones that the steel cut oats came in when I was buying a
case of cans.

A case of six cans is about 26 lbs (6 x 70 oz), so a 50 lb bag would
be about 12 cans. I only have about 5-6 cans, but I worry that they
just have a thin plastic lid. It's definitely not air tight and
probably not bug proof.
Storrmmee
2011-05-31 18:24:30 UTC
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don't hold me to this, but check

www.shoplet.com

I seem to recal some long term storage on there while i was shopping for
freezer type containers. Look really close, its a great site, but sometimes
the search doesn't work like i like them to, but prices are excellent for
what i have purchased, and everything i have ordered has arrived on the next
business day.

Also, i have no interest in this site other than being very happy with
prices and service.

Lee
Post by Jennifer Murphy
On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:11:40 -0500, "Storrmmee"
Post by Storrmmee
how much fits in your one gallon cans, if it were me and i wanted to use
cans i would figure out how much fit in the cans i had to see if i needed a
larger can or if it would be easier to store it in a few of the same sized
can, makng for easier lifting, and stackin when cans are empty, if i did
this i would get one more than the fifty pounds called for and i could then
reorder and refill the cans while still using the last of the older stock.
That's a great plan, but I think I'll need new 1 gal cans. The ones I
have are the ones that the steel cut oats came in when I was buying a
case of cans.
A case of six cans is about 26 lbs (6 x 70 oz), so a 50 lb bag would
be about 12 cans. I only have about 5-6 cans, but I worry that they
just have a thin plastic lid. It's definitely not air tight and
probably not bug proof.
cshenk
2011-05-31 21:34:18 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Murphy
On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:11:40 -0500, "Storrmmee"
Post by Storrmmee
how much fits in your one gallon cans, if it were me and i wanted
to use cans i would figure out how much fit in the cans i had to
see if i needed a larger can or if it would be easier to store it
in a few of the same sized can, makng for easier lifting, and
stackin when cans are empty, if i did this i would get one more
than the fifty pounds called for and i could then reorder and
refill the cans while still using the last of the older stock.
That's a great plan, but I think I'll need new 1 gal cans. The ones I
have are the ones that the steel cut oats came in when I was buying a
case of cans.
A case of six cans is about 26 lbs (6 x 70 oz), so a 50 lb bag would
be about 12 cans. I only have about 5-6 cans, but I worry that they
just have a thin plastic lid. It's definitely not air tight and
probably not bug proof.
Jennifer, check out pet store supplies. Specifically dog food kibble
storage containers. They come in the sizes you are looking for and
have airtight plastic lids.
blake murphy
2011-05-31 16:33:09 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
it seems to me i can get a one- or two-pound bag of white long-grain rice
at the grocery store for less (or not much more than) a dollar a pound.
don't know if you're saving much here.

your pal,
blake
sf
2011-05-31 16:49:52 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 12:33:09 -0400, blake murphy
Post by blake murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
it seems to me i can get a one- or two-pound bag of white long-grain rice
at the grocery store for less (or not much more than) a dollar a pound.
don't know if you're saving much here.
Some people eat a LOT of rice and stock it like they stock toilet
paper and tomato products.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
Brooklyn1
2011-05-31 16:38:01 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
I buy the 50 lb sacks from Honeyville; some I split with neighbors. I
have a couple of those 5 gallon buckets I fill and from those pour
into smaller jars as needed, you don't need to remove the entire lid,
there's a capped pour spout. The 99¢ stores are a good place to buy
storage containers. You'll find it handy to have a couple of large
plastic funnels and scoops for transfering; make your own from plastic
bottles or buy them at auto parts and agri stores... your local Agway
is a good source for grain storeage and transfer products. One of the
best rice/grain storeage containers is a brand new plastic 5 gallon
fuel can; easy fill, easy pour, easy carry, easy store.
Jennifer Murphy
2011-05-31 18:16:59 UTC
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Post by sf
On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
I buy the 50 lb sacks from Honeyville; some I split with neighbors. I
have a couple of those 5 gallon buckets I fill and from those pour
into smaller jars as needed,
You have the 5 gallon buckets from Honeyville?

Did you get the regular lids or the gamma lid?

Did you have as much trouble getting the lid on and off as some
reviewers reported?
Post by sf
you don't need to remove the entire lid,
there's a capped pour spout.
Is that on the standard lid? (Not the gamma.)
Post by sf
The 99¢ stores are a good place to buy
storage containers.
Do you mean for daily use?
Post by sf
You'll find it handy to have a couple of large
plastic funnels and scoops for transfering; make your own from plastic
bottles or buy them at auto parts and agri stores... your local Agway
is a good source for grain storeage and transfer products. One of the
best rice/grain storeage containers is a brand new plastic 5 gallon
fuel can; easy fill, easy pour, easy carry, easy store.
Now that's an interesting idea. But are they air tight and/or bug
proof?
Storrmmee
2011-05-31 18:26:45 UTC
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ps, make sure whatever you get its food grade materials for you families
safety, otherwise i think some of the plastics can let out toxins.

Lee
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Post by sf
On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
I buy the 50 lb sacks from Honeyville; some I split with neighbors. I
have a couple of those 5 gallon buckets I fill and from those pour
into smaller jars as needed,
You have the 5 gallon buckets from Honeyville?
Did you get the regular lids or the gamma lid?
Did you have as much trouble getting the lid on and off as some
reviewers reported?
Post by sf
you don't need to remove the entire lid,
there's a capped pour spout.
Is that on the standard lid? (Not the gamma.)
Post by sf
The 99¢ stores are a good place to buy
storage containers.
Do you mean for daily use?
Post by sf
You'll find it handy to have a couple of large
plastic funnels and scoops for transfering; make your own from plastic
bottles or buy them at auto parts and agri stores... your local Agway
is a good source for grain storeage and transfer products. One of the
best rice/grain storeage containers is a brand new plastic 5 gallon
fuel can; easy fill, easy pour, easy carry, easy store.
Now that's an interesting idea. But are they air tight and/or bug
proof?
Brooklyn1
2011-05-31 21:39:57 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:16:59 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Post by sf
On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
I buy the 50 lb sacks from Honeyville; some I split with neighbors. I
have a couple of those 5 gallon buckets I fill and from those pour
into smaller jars as needed,
You have the 5 gallon buckets from Honeyville?
Did you get the regular lids or the gamma lid?
I suppose regular or whatever they were selling some ten years ago. I
bought those O2 packets too but I stopped using them, they are as pain
having to pick out everytime I have to pour, and they block the
spouts.
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Did you have as much trouble getting the lid on and off as some
reviewers reported?
Post by sf
you don't need to remove the entire lid,
there's a capped pour spout.
Is that on the standard lid? (Not the gamma.)
Mine have the spout with screw cap... you can phone/email Honeyville
for info.
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Post by sf
The 99¢ stores are a good place to buy
storage containers.
Do you mean for daily use?
Daily, weekly, monthy, whatever use. I also have a slew of gallon
pickle jars that make nice airtight storeage.
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Post by sf
You'll find it handy to have a couple of large
plastic funnels and scoops for transfering; make your own from plastic
bottles or buy them at auto parts and agri stores... your local Agway
is a good source for grain storeage and transfer products. One of the
best rice/grain storeage containers is a brand new plastic 5 gallon
fuel can; easy fill, easy pour, easy carry, easy store.
Now that's an interesting idea. But are they air tight and/or bug
proof?
They are volatile vapor proof, works for me... however depending on
where stored they are not rodent proof... rodents will gnaw through
plastic, I've lost a couple of jugs stored outdoors, plus fuel, to
rodents, must like the plastic/diesel as there was no grain. However
those I use for grains are in my kitchen pantry and no rodents dare
confront my cats. I keep pretty clean and neat, I haven't had an
indoor vermin problem... my basement spiders see to all types of
insects, I like spiders. I actually have many shelves in my basement
stacked high with dry staples in original boxes/plastic bags, even
dried cat food, and 50 lb sacks of bird seed right in my office... no
bug/rodent problems. Ya know, a fifty pound sack of rice is not all
that much if you're a rice eater, my last hood had a big Hispanic
population, the most common size rice purchase was 100 pound sacks...
and they just left the sack open on the floor in a corner of the
kitchen. I don't use a lot of rice, a five pound bag lasts me well
over a year. I'm a kasha fresser. I think you are making a mountain
out of a mole hill.
aem
2011-05-31 22:40:10 UTC
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Post by Brooklyn1
On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:16:59 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
....
....... Ya know, a fifty pound sack of rice is not all
Post by Brooklyn1
that much if you're a rice eater, my last hood had a big Hispanic
population, the most common size rice purchase was 100 pound sacks...
and they just left the sack open on the floor in a corner of the
kitchen. ..... I think you are making a mountain
out of a mole hill.
The OP just asked a question. Might just have been curious. Some of
the responses make a much bigger deal of the matter than it needs.
We're rice eaters and bought it in 50-lb. sacks for decades. Now
we've scaled back to 25-lb. sacks. We pour from the sack into an
ordinary gallon-sized jar for daily use. The sack stays on the bottom
pantry shelf, top rolled down and closed with a wooden clothes pin.
Never had a problem with it. -aem
Chemiker
2011-05-31 17:35:30 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
<***@geospace.org> wrote:

FWIW: The problem is not as simple as you imply. Grains often (read
"usually") contain insect eggs or other contaminants. These can be
killed by extensive freezing, or immersion/storage in CO2, or heating.
We buy rice in 25 lb sacks, break it down to 1 kg lots and seal them
in vacuum packs, then put the packages into metal popcorn cans,
sealing the lids with duct tape. THe lack of air smothers the insect
hatchlings. I would think oats would be susceptible to these beasties,
especially the Indian miller moth. You can buy a number of smaller
sacks and put them in plastic pails, if you add a couple lumps of dry
ice, then put the lids on and later (when the CO2 has gasified)
sealing the pails with duct tape. Protect from rodents.

When you add the cost of freezing, CO2, vacuum packagins, et. al., you
may find the cost is prohibitive. You must then determine whether your
objective is to save money or to guarantee youself a supply of that
particular food. Drying and canning may also fit into your overall
plan.

HTH

Alex
Sqwertz
2011-05-31 18:09:04 UTC
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Post by Chemiker
We buy rice in 25 lb sacks, break it down to 1 kg lots and seal them
in vacuum packs, then put the packages into metal popcorn cans,
sealing the lids with duct tape.
The vacuum packing would be sufficient. Why waste duct tape? Duct
tape is commodity around in these here parts.

-sw
Chemiker
2011-05-31 18:23:45 UTC
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Post by Sqwertz
Post by Chemiker
We buy rice in 25 lb sacks, break it down to 1 kg lots and seal them
in vacuum packs, then put the packages into metal popcorn cans,
sealing the lids with duct tape.
The vacuum packing would be sufficient. Why waste duct tape? Duct
tape is commodity around in these here parts.
-sw
Because, Steve, there are beasties that can crawl in past the
irregularities in the lid seal. Roaches can chew through cardboard and
plastic wrap, and vacuum seal plastic. THe metal foil duct tape slows
them down a bit. Besides, good duct tape is not expensive. It also
makes an automatic gas seal which is good for storage.

And, duct tape is *never* wasted, except by city folk.

Alex
Sqwertz
2011-06-01 04:53:42 UTC
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Post by Chemiker
Post by Sqwertz
Post by Chemiker
We buy rice in 25 lb sacks, break it down to 1 kg lots and seal them
in vacuum packs, then put the packages into metal popcorn cans,
sealing the lids with duct tape.
The vacuum packing would be sufficient. Why waste duct tape? Duct
tape is commodity around in these here parts.
-sw
Because, Steve, there are beasties that can crawl in past the
irregularities in the lid seal. Roaches can chew through cardboard and
plastic wrap, and vacuum seal plastic.
You must live in a rough neighborhood. I have vacuum-packed spices
from 2002 (fenugreek, cumin, anise, fennel, coriander, red chile)
still sitting in a paper bags on my kitchen floor since 2003. That
really need to be moved.

Anyway - I'm just sayin' I've never heard of nylon bag-eating bugs.
they can't tell what's inside.

-sw
Mark Thorson
2011-06-01 20:31:33 UTC
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Post by Sqwertz
Anyway - I'm just sayin' I've never heard of nylon bag-eating bugs.
they can't tell what's inside.
More likely, the rice already had bug eggs in it before
being stored. And then, they hatched.
Doug Freyburger
2011-06-01 20:07:27 UTC
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Post by Chemiker
Post by Sqwertz
The vacuum packing would be sufficient.
Because, Steve, there are beasties that can crawl in past the
irregularities in the lid seal.
Show me a bug who can slip past the airtight seal of a vacuum bag.
Post by Chemiker
Roaches can chew through cardboard and
plastic wrap, and vacuum seal plastic.
If something chews past the seal of a vacuum bag the seal will be
broken. When I pick that bag up I'll be able to tell because it won't
be rock hard any more and I'll know the seal is not intact. It's a rare
occurance but I have seen it once. In that case I think something metal
with a sharp edge pierced the seal but I threw out the package without
checking for bugs.

One problem is bug eggs that start in the material being stored and then
hatch later. Vacuum tends to keep eggs from hatching.
Jennifer Murphy
2011-05-31 18:29:55 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 12:35:30 -0500, Chemiker
Post by sf
On Tue, 31 May 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
FWIW: The problem is not as simple as you imply. Grains often (read
"usually") contain insect eggs or other contaminants. These can be
killed by extensive freezing, or immersion/storage in CO2, or heating.
We buy rice in 25 lb sacks, break it down to 1 kg lots and seal them
in vacuum packs, then put the packages into metal popcorn cans,
sealing the lids with duct tape. THe lack of air smothers the insect
hatchlings. I would think oats would be susceptible to these beasties,
especially the Indian miller moth. You can buy a number of smaller
sacks and put them in plastic pails, if you add a couple lumps of dry
ice, then put the lids on and later (when the CO2 has gasified)
sealing the pails with duct tape. Protect from rodents.
When you add the cost of freezing, CO2, vacuum packagins, et. al., you
may find the cost is prohibitive. You must then determine whether your
objective is to save money or to guarantee youself a supply of that
particular food. Drying and canning may also fit into your overall
plan.
We usually go through a case of 6 70 oz cans in about 9 months. So I
figure we'll use a 50 lb bag in about 18 months. So I need something
to store it for that long.
Dave Bugg
2011-05-31 18:58:02 UTC
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Post by Chemiker
When you add the cost of freezing, CO2, vacuum packagins, et. al., you
may find the cost is prohibitive. You must then determine whether your
objective is to save money or to guarantee youself a supply of that
particular food. Drying and canning may also fit into your overall
plan.
What works quite well is to use food grade mylar storage bags to line each
five gallon bucket. After each bucket is filled with product, place several
oxygen absorber packets on top of the food, seal the mylar bag, then screw
on the gamma lid. Set aside for a bit of time before opening. One may also
use chunks of dry ice..... it is easy to use, but a bit fussier prior to
sealing the mylar liner.
--
Dave
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
Nunya Bidnits
2011-06-01 04:38:59 UTC
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Post by Dave Bugg
What works quite well is to use food grade mylar storage bags to
line each five gallon bucket. After each bucket is filled with
product, place several oxygen absorber packets on top of the food,
seal the mylar bag, then screw on the gamma lid.
What is the gamma lid?
Nunya Bidnits
2011-06-01 05:13:13 UTC
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Post by Nunya Bidnits
Post by Dave Bugg
What works quite well is to use food grade mylar storage bags to
line each five gallon bucket. After each bucket is filled with
product, place several oxygen absorber packets on top of the food,
seal the mylar bag, then screw on the gamma lid.
What is the gamma lid?
Never mind, I see you answered the question elsewhere in the thread.
Mark Thorson
2011-06-01 20:35:24 UTC
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Post by Nunya Bidnits
Post by Dave Bugg
What works quite well is to use food grade mylar storage bags to
line each five gallon bucket. After each bucket is filled with
product, place several oxygen absorber packets on top of the food,
seal the mylar bag, then screw on the gamma lid.
What is the gamma lid?
Contains a harmless quantity of cesium-137 to emit
gamma rays which suppress hatching of insect eggs.
Dave Bugg
2011-06-01 22:30:01 UTC
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Post by Mark Thorson
Post by Nunya Bidnits
Post by Dave Bugg
What works quite well is to use food grade mylar storage bags to
line each five gallon bucket. After each bucket is filled with
product, place several oxygen absorber packets on top of the food,
seal the mylar bag, then screw on the gamma lid.
What is the gamma lid?
Contains a harmless quantity of cesium-137 to emit
gamma rays which suppress hatching of insect eggs.
ROTFLOL!!! Good one, Mark
--
Dave
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
Janet Wilder
2011-05-31 18:10:27 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Might I humbly suggest a trip to the nearest restaurant supply store
where you can ask the opinion of a professional? The reason I suggest a
local store over an internet one is that the local guy knows what kind
of critters and humidity situations exist in your local.
--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
ImStillMags
2011-05-31 18:28:37 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Jennifer, depending upon how much and how fast you use your bulk
storage stuff, let me recommend you look at the kind of
storage bins restaurants and bakeries use. There are lots to choose
from but they are designed to be easily accessed and
take up little space.

http://www.webstaurantstore.com/3503/ingredient-bins.html
Jennifer Murphy
2011-05-31 20:23:57 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
Post by ImStillMags
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Jennifer, depending upon how much and how fast you use your bulk
storage stuff, let me recommend you look at the kind of
storage bins restaurants and bakeries use. There are lots to choose
from but they are designed to be easily accessed and
take up little space.
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/3503/ingredient-bins.html
Thanks for the tip. That looks like a great store. The ingredient bins
are not what I'm looking for, but the graduated food storage
containers look to be perfect:

http://www.webstaurantstore.com/3551/plastic-graduated-food-storage-containers.html

I asked Honeyville Grains how much their 5 gallon storage bucket would
hold. I was told that it holds 44 lbs from the 50 lb bag of steel cut
oats. That means that I'd need about a 22 quart container for the
whole 50 lbs.

This matches closely with the dimensions of the 22 quart container:
http://tinyurl.com/3uqzfku, which are

Length: 11 1/4"
Width: 11 1/4"
Height: 15 3/4"

This is close to the dimensions of the 50 lb bag.

I think I'll get the 12 quart container http://tinyurl.com/3h9ss2n. I
can break the 50 lb bag into 2 containers.

Again, thanks for the suggestion.
Melba's Jammin'
2011-06-01 00:14:54 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Murphy
On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
Post by ImStillMags
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Jennifer, depending upon how much and how fast you use your bulk
storage stuff, let me recommend you look at the kind of
storage bins restaurants and bakeries use. There are lots to choose
from but they are designed to be easily accessed and
take up little space.
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/3503/ingredient-bins.html
Thanks for the tip. That looks like a great store. The ingredient bins
are not what I'm looking for, but the graduated food storage
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/3551/plastic-graduated-food-storage-containers.html
I have about four of those Cambro containers, two from local restaurant
supply places, two from Webstaurantstore.com. Ask for Jimmy Stewart on
the live chat customer service. Tell him the jam lady sent you. :-0)
(No, I don't get anything out of it.) I have also seen the Cambro
containers at The Container Store and/or Storables ‹ storefronts in my
area.
--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
http://web.me.com/barbschaller, updated May 27, 2011
Jennifer Murphy
2011-06-01 01:32:14 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 19:14:54 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
Post by Melba's Jammin'
I have about four of those Cambro containers, two from local restaurant
supply places, two from Webstaurantstore.com.
I wonder what the difference is between the 12 qt Cambro containers

http://tinyurl.com/3pm9hr7

and the Carlisle 12 qt containers

http://tinyurl.com/3h9ss2n

other than about $1.50 and handles?
Post by Melba's Jammin'
Ask for Jimmy Stewart on
the live chat customer service.
*THE* Jimmy Stewart?
Post by Melba's Jammin'
Tell him the jam lady sent you. :-0)
OK! I'll ask him about the different containers.
Post by Melba's Jammin'
(No, I don't get anything out of it.) I have also seen the Cambro
containers at The Container Store and/or Storables ‹ storefronts in my
area.
How do you like the Cambro containers? Any complaints?
Melba's Jammin'
2011-06-01 02:27:45 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Murphy
On Tue, 31 May 2011 19:14:54 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
Post by Melba's Jammin'
I have about four of those Cambro containers, two from local restaurant
supply places, two from Webstaurantstore.com.
I wonder what the difference is between the 12 qt Cambro containers
http://tinyurl.com/3pm9hr7
and the Carlisle 12 qt containers
http://tinyurl.com/3h9ss2n
other than about $1.50 and handles?
Post by Melba's Jammin'
Ask for Jimmy Stewart on
the live chat customer service.
*THE* Jimmy Stewart?
That's his name. :-) Nice young fellow.
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Post by Melba's Jammin'
Tell him the jam lady sent you. :-0)
OK! I'll ask him about the different containers.
Post by Melba's Jammin'
(No, I don't get anything out of it.) I have also seen the Cambro
containers at The Container Store and/or Storables ‹ storefronts in my
area.
How do you like the Cambro containers? Any complaints?
None whatever. I've had one for probably 15-20 years and the other
three within the last 18 months, one quite recently. I bought one at a
local restaurant supply place. I like them a lot. The square ones
stack nicely; I use one for ap flour, the other for sugar.
--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
http://web.me.com/barbschaller, updated May 27, 2011
Jennifer Murphy
2011-06-13 01:06:22 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 19:14:54 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
Post by Melba's Jammin'
Post by Jennifer Murphy
On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
Post by ImStillMags
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I'd like to start buying food in bulk. We eat a lot of rice and steel
cut oats. I can get them in 50 lb bags at much lower cost.
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/steelcutoats50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/longgrainwhiterice50lb.aspx
http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/bucketsforstorage.aspx
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
Can anyone who buys food in 50 lb bags offer suggestions for how to
store it and where to buy the containers?
I have some 1 gal cans for daily use, but I need something for the
rest of the bag.
Jennifer, depending upon how much and how fast you use your bulk
storage stuff, let me recommend you look at the kind of
storage bins restaurants and bakeries use. There are lots to choose
from but they are designed to be easily accessed and
take up little space.
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/3503/ingredient-bins.html
Thanks for the tip. That looks like a great store. The ingredient bins
are not what I'm looking for, but the graduated food storage
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/3551/plastic-graduated-food-storage-containers.html
I have about four of those Cambro containers, two from local restaurant
supply places, two from Webstaurantstore.com. Ask for Jimmy Stewart on
the live chat customer service. Tell him the jam lady sent you. :-0)
(No, I don't get anything out of it.) I have also seen the Cambro
containers at The Container Store and/or Storables ‹ storefronts in my
area.
How tight are the lids on your Cambro containers?

I bought a few of the 12 qt Cambro containers. They just arrived. I am
very disappointed. Not only are the lids not airtight, they don't
really fit that well at all. They are kinda loose and lift right off.
I'm sure if a full container tipped over, the lid would come off.
Melba's Jammin'
2011-06-15 13:24:36 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Murphy
How tight are the lids on your Cambro containers?
They are snug enough, but not the airtight "burped" seal of Tupperware,
for example, and not the same seal as a screw-on lid with a plastisol
liner.
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I bought a few of the 12 qt Cambro containers. They just arrived. I am
very disappointed. Not only are the lids not airtight, they don't
really fit that well at all. They are kinda loose and lift right off.
I'm sure if a full container tipped over, the lid would come off.
Ouch! The largest of mine (I own four Cambro containers) is 8 quarts,
square, with a red lid. I use it for storing all-purpose flour; I keep
sugar in my 6-quart container. On both, the lids require a little bit
of effort to remove. I hope you resolve your situation to your
satisfaction. :-(
--
Barb,
Creamed Cornbread, June 13, 2011; http://web.me.com/barbschaller
Jennifer Murphy
2011-06-16 23:38:23 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:24:36 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
Post by Melba's Jammin'
Post by Jennifer Murphy
How tight are the lids on your Cambro containers?
They are snug enough, but not the airtight "burped" seal of Tupperware,
for example, and not the same seal as a screw-on lid with a plastisol
liner.
Post by Jennifer Murphy
I bought a few of the 12 qt Cambro containers. They just arrived. I am
very disappointed. Not only are the lids not airtight, they don't
really fit that well at all. They are kinda loose and lift right off.
I'm sure if a full container tipped over, the lid would come off.
Ouch! The largest of mine (I own four Cambro containers) is 8 quarts,
square, with a red lid. I use it for storing all-purpose flour; I keep
sugar in my 6-quart container. On both, the lids require a little bit
of effort to remove.
Mine are definitely much looser than that. They come off with just the
slightest tap with one finger on any corner or edge.
Post by Melba's Jammin'
I hope you resolve your situation to your
satisfaction. :-(
Thanks.

Dave Bugg
2011-05-31 18:50:25 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Murphy
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
For short term storage, 5 gallon buckets are fine. If that's too large, you
can purchase 3 gallon buckets. To make lid removal easy, purchase "gamma
lids" for each bucket. Food grade buckets should be easy to obtain free of
charge from restaurants, bakeries, Costco, etc. The gamma lids will need to
be purchased. If you need to know how to store your purchase for the
long-term, just holler.

Gamma Lids:
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/gammasealbrochure.html

You can purchase from any number of online vendors
--
Dave
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
Goomba
2011-05-31 20:40:26 UTC
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Post by Dave Bugg
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/gammasealbrochure.html
You can purchase from any number of online vendors
Goodness those are cool! Perfect for dog food sitting in my garage. Thanks!
Brooklyn1
2011-05-31 22:31:32 UTC
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Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Jennifer Murphy
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
For short term storage, 5 gallon buckets are fine. If that's too large, you
can purchase 3 gallon buckets. To make lid removal easy, purchase "gamma
lids" for each bucket. Food grade buckets should be easy to obtain free of
charge from restaurants, bakeries, Costco, etc. The gamma lids will need to
be purchased. If you need to know how to store your purchase for the
long-term, just holler.
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/gammasealbrochure.html
You can purchase from any number of online vendors
I just now checked out those gamma lids... Honeyville didn't have
those when I bouhgt my buckets... they're good for bulky foods like
large pasta but for all types of grains/beans and other smalls those
will fill/pour directly through the spout on the regular lid. I use a
scoop and a large funnel for filling but grains pour out like water,
actually easier because no vacuum forms. I see absolutely no benefit
to a gamma lid for rice. I've never removed the lids from my buckets,
have seen no reason to even try. For smaller volumes I picked up some
very nice large mouth plastic see-through cannesters with well sealing
screw on lids from the dollar stores.
Jennifer Murphy
2011-05-31 23:05:41 UTC
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Post by Brooklyn1
Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Jennifer Murphy
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
For short term storage, 5 gallon buckets are fine. If that's too large, you
can purchase 3 gallon buckets. To make lid removal easy, purchase "gamma
lids" for each bucket. Food grade buckets should be easy to obtain free of
charge from restaurants, bakeries, Costco, etc. The gamma lids will need to
be purchased. If you need to know how to store your purchase for the
long-term, just holler.
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/gammasealbrochure.html
You can purchase from any number of online vendors
I just now checked out those gamma lids... Honeyville didn't have
those when I bouhgt my buckets... they're good for bulky foods like
large pasta but for all types of grains/beans and other smalls those
will fill/pour directly through the spout on the regular lid. I use a
scoop and a large funnel for filling but grains pour out like water,
actually easier because no vacuum forms. I see absolutely no benefit
to a gamma lid for rice. I've never removed the lids from my buckets,
have seen no reason to even try. For smaller volumes I picked up some
very nice large mouth plastic see-through cannesters with well sealing
screw on lids from the dollar stores.
Ok, thanks.
Dave Bugg
2011-06-01 00:01:02 UTC
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Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Jennifer Murphy
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
For short term storage, 5 gallon buckets are fine. If that's too
large, you can purchase 3 gallon buckets. To make lid removal easy,
purchase "gamma lids" for each bucket. Food grade buckets should be
easy to obtain free of charge from restaurants, bakeries, Costco,
etc. The gamma lids will need to be purchased. If you need to know
how to store your purchase for the long-term, just holler.
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/gammasealbrochure.html
You can purchase from any number of online vendors
....... I see absolutely no benefit to a gamma lid for rice.
The benefit is that it answered the specific question which was asked re:
how to easily remove a lid from a five gallon bucket. Gamma lids are
exceedingly easy to remove and then reseal. Whether or not there are better
ways to deal with 50 lbs of rice was not the topic I was dealing with.
Personally, I move rice from a 50 lb bag into a one gallon jar. Since we go
through a lot of rice, the jar gets refilled fairly often. :-)
--
Dave
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
Brooklyn1
2011-06-01 01:11:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Jennifer Murphy
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
For short term storage, 5 gallon buckets are fine. If that's too
large, you can purchase 3 gallon buckets. To make lid removal easy,
purchase "gamma lids" for each bucket. Food grade buckets should be
easy to obtain free of charge from restaurants, bakeries, Costco,
etc. The gamma lids will need to be purchased. If you need to know
how to store your purchase for the long-term, just holler.
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/gammasealbrochure.html
You can purchase from any number of online vendors
....... I see absolutely no benefit to a gamma lid for rice.
how to easily remove a lid from a five gallon bucket. Gamma lids are
exceedingly easy to remove and then reseal. Whether or not there are better
ways to deal with 50 lbs of rice was not the topic I was dealing with.
Personally, I move rice from a 50 lb bag into a one gallon jar. Since we go
through a lot of rice, the jar gets refilled fairly often. :-)
I didn't denigrate your post, in fact I agreed with you by saying that
the gamma lid is good for bulky items, but you chose to pare my post
down to suit your innate anger problem.
Dave Bugg
2011-06-01 18:35:35 UTC
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Post by Brooklyn1
Post by Dave Bugg
On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:50:25 -0700, "Dave Bugg"
Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Jennifer Murphy
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use.
I'm also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
For short term storage, 5 gallon buckets are fine. If that's too
large, you can purchase 3 gallon buckets. To make lid removal easy,
purchase "gamma lids" for each bucket. Food grade buckets should be
easy to obtain free of charge from restaurants, bakeries, Costco,
etc. The gamma lids will need to be purchased. If you need to know
how to store your purchase for the long-term, just holler.
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/gammasealbrochure.html
You can purchase from any number of online vendors
....... I see absolutely no benefit to a gamma lid for rice.
The benefit is that it answered the specific question which was
asked re: how to easily remove a lid from a five gallon bucket.
Gamma lids are exceedingly easy to remove and then reseal. Whether
or not there are better ways to deal with 50 lbs of rice was not the
topic I was dealing with. Personally, I move rice from a 50 lb bag
into a one gallon jar. Since we go through a lot of rice, the jar
gets refilled fairly often. :-)
I didn't denigrate your post, in fact I agreed with you by saying that
the gamma lid is good for bulky items, but you chose to pare my post
down to suit your innate anger problem.
????? I never did think you denigrated my post. I wanted to make sure that
the specific answer that was asked for wasn't lost amongst the other good
information and tips you had offered. And yes, I did edit down your text to
only that which was relevant to my response as a matter of addressing one
singular point.

As far as anger goes, my overwhelming emotions these days twist between
those of concern and worry for my newly deployed son; as of late, I seem to
have little room for anger. In fact, I had been doing more posting lately as
another diversion, not to engage in conflict. Sorry for steeping on toes; I
should've made my point sans attachment to your comments.
--
Dave
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
Jennifer Murphy
2011-06-01 01:36:56 UTC
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Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Jennifer Murphy
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
For short term storage, 5 gallon buckets are fine. If that's too
large, you can purchase 3 gallon buckets. To make lid removal easy,
purchase "gamma lids" for each bucket. Food grade buckets should be
easy to obtain free of charge from restaurants, bakeries, Costco,
etc. The gamma lids will need to be purchased. If you need to know
how to store your purchase for the long-term, just holler.
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/gammasealbrochure.html
You can purchase from any number of online vendors
....... I see absolutely no benefit to a gamma lid for rice.
how to easily remove a lid from a five gallon bucket.
Yes. I read on the Honeyville site several reviewers said that could
not get the regular lids on and off. I didn't want something I would
have to fight with.
Post by Dave Bugg
Gamma lids are
exceedingly easy to remove and then reseal.
And they would probably be the best choice is I wanted a 5 gallon
container, especially sice you pointed out that the buckets can
probably be had for free. ;-)
Post by Dave Bugg
Whether or not there are better
ways to deal with 50 lbs of rice was not the topic I was dealing with.
Personally, I move rice from a 50 lb bag into a one gallon jar. Since we go
through a lot of rice, the jar gets refilled fairly often. :-)
We go through a lot of oats and a fair amount of rice, so I think I'll
go with the 12 quart containers.

Thanks for the info.
Brooklyn1
2011-06-01 02:16:52 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 18:36:56 -0700, Jennifer Murphy
Post by Jennifer Murphy
Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Dave Bugg
Post by Jennifer Murphy
but there are complaints about the lids being difficult to use. I'm
also wondering if 5 gal is too large.
For short term storage, 5 gallon buckets are fine. If that's too
large, you can purchase 3 gallon buckets. To make lid removal easy,
purchase "gamma lids" for each bucket. Food grade buckets should be
easy to obtain free of charge from restaurants, bakeries, Costco,
etc. The gamma lids will need to be purchased. If you need to know
how to store your purchase for the long-term, just holler.
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/gammasealbrochure.html
You can purchase from any number of online vendors
....... I see absolutely no benefit to a gamma lid for rice.
how to easily remove a lid from a five gallon bucket.
Yes. I read on the Honeyville site several reviewers said that could
not get the regular lids on and off. I didn't want something I would
have to fight with.
Post by Dave Bugg
Gamma lids are
exceedingly easy to remove and then reseal.
And they would probably be the best choice is I wanted a 5 gallon
container, especially sice you pointed out that the buckets can
probably be had for free. ;-)
Post by Dave Bugg
Whether or not there are better
ways to deal with 50 lbs of rice was not the topic I was dealing with.
Personally, I move rice from a 50 lb bag into a one gallon jar. Since we go
through a lot of rice, the jar gets refilled fairly often. :-)
We go through a lot of oats and a fair amount of rice, so I think I'll
go with the 12 quart containers.
It's very difficult, nearly impossible, to pour grain neatly from a
full open contractor bucket because of the large diameter and no
spout... that those gamma lids don't have a built-in spout like the
regular lids is an awful design failure. With those gamma lids you'll
pretty much have to resign yourself to scooping. And you'll need good
hand strength to screw those large diameter lids... large diameter
plastic threads can jam very easily. To be perfectly honest now that
I've given it some thought those gamma lids are a gimmick for
seperating more dollars from those with fewer brain cells. They may
work with liquids like a mess of pickles in brine where transfer
neatness isn't important (like a deli) but for dry foods I wouldn't.
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