Pork stew

[Carol]

Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing in the
spices but can't seem to narrow in on it. Mushrooms aare missing too
but easily added in. Also needs more garlic than that.

Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3 small red
potatoes works.


PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed. Last 10
minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with salad and warmed
flour tortillas. Serves 4.

[Jill McQuown]

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing in the
spices but can't seem to narrow in on it. Mushrooms aare missing too
but easily added in. Also needs more garlic than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3 small red
potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed. Last 10
minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with salad and warmed
flour tortillas. Serves 4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.

Jill

[Carol]

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing in the
spices but can't seem to narrow in on it. Mushrooms aare missing
too but easily added in. Also needs more garlic than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3 small red
potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed.
Last 10 minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with
salad and warmed flour tortillas. Serves 4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.
Jill

Yeah, everyone else is saying 'yes' but they are just being nice. The
canned potatoes are the worst. Something not matching with the squash.

I'm thinking potatoes and carrots and lots of mushrooms. Cumin would
be ok, but not alone.

[Jill McQuown]

Post by Carol

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing in the
spices but can't seem to narrow in on it. Mushrooms aare missing
too but easily added in. Also needs more garlic than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3 small red
potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed.
Last 10 minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with
salad and warmed flour tortillas. Serves 4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.
Jill

Yeah, everyone else is saying 'yes' but they are just being nice. The
canned potatoes are the worst. Something not matching with the squash.
I'm thinking potatoes and carrots and lots of mushrooms. Cumin would
be ok, but not alone.

The squash would turn to mush and not contribute anything. Overall, the
recipe simply doesn't sound good.

Jill

[Ed P]

Post by Jill McQuown

Hi, this came across from groups.io.  Something feels missing in the
spices but can't seem to narrow in on it.  Mushrooms aare missing
too but easily added in. Also needs more garlic than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes?  EEK!  Lets go fresh, 3 small red
potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed.
Last 10 minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with
salad and warmed flour tortillas. Serves 4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.
Jill

Yeah, everyone else is saying 'yes' but they are just being nice.  The
canned potatoes are the worst.  Something not matching with the squash.
I'm thinking potatoes and carrots and lots of mushrooms.  Cumin would
be ok, but not alone.

The squash would turn to mush and not contribute anything.  Overall, the
recipe simply doesn't sound good.
Jill

I can't imagine what the pork is like after simmering for an hour. I'll
pass.

[Carol]

Post by Ed P

Post by Carol

Post by Jill McQuown

Hi, this came across from groups.io.  Something feels missing
in the spices but can't seem to narrow in on it.  Mushrooms
aare missing too but easily added in. Also needs more garlic
than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes?  EEK!  Lets go fresh, 3
small red potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and
stewed tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as
needed. Last 10 minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin.
Serve with salad and warmed flour tortillas. Serves 4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.
Jill

Yeah, everyone else is saying 'yes' but they are just being
nice.  The canned potatoes are the worst.  Something not matching
with the squash.
I'm thinking potatoes and carrots and lots of mushrooms.  Cumin
would be ok, but not alone.

The squash would turn to mush and not contribute anything. 
Overall, the recipe simply doesn't sound good.
Jill

I can't imagine what the pork is like after simmering for an hour.
I'll pass.

Actually that part gets a pass from me but depends on the cut. Pork
butt would match best. I just added the idea of worcestershire (sp?)
as it's a tenderizer for a braising liquid.

Anyways, this below is more my speed.

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/236731/tender-pork-stew-with-beans/

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Carol
Actually that part gets a pass from me but depends on the cut. Pork
butt would match best.

Pork steak is usually cut from the shoulder anyway.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 09:39:05 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Carol
Actually that part gets a pass from me but depends on the cut. Pork
butt would match best.

Pork steak is usually cut from the shoulder anyway.

Maybe Don prefers pork cut from the butt.

[Carol]

Post by Ed P

Post by Carol

Post by Jill McQuown

Hi, this came across from groups.io.  Something feels missing
in the spices but can't seem to narrow in on it.  Mushrooms
aare missing too but easily added in. Also needs more garlic
than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes?  EEK!  Lets go fresh, 3
small red potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and
stewed tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as
needed. Last 10 minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin.
Serve with salad and warmed flour tortillas. Serves 4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.
Jill

Yeah, everyone else is saying 'yes' but they are just being
nice.  The canned potatoes are the worst.  Something not matching
with the squash.
I'm thinking potatoes and carrots and lots of mushrooms.  Cumin
would be ok, but not alone.

The squash would turn to mush and not contribute anything. 
Overall, the recipe simply doesn't sound good.
Jill

I can't imagine what the pork is like after simmering for an hour.
I'll pass.

Ever had pulled pork? Pretty close to it. Needs the right cut with
butt being optimal to me.

[songbird]

Carol wrote:
...

Post by Carol
Ever had pulled pork? Pretty close to it. Needs the right cut with
butt being optimal to me.

yep. but these days we more often have just been
using pork loin instead and supply plenty of garlic
and onions while letting it slow cook until we pull
it apart and add bbq sauce to cook it a while longer
to finish. by this point the onions and garlic have
mostly disappeared and we like not having much extra
fat to deal with - we hardly ever bother removing
what little there is when using pork loin.

your original dish as posted had little appeal to
me as while i do eat pork once in a while it's not a
main meal very often at all and potatoes i'm largely
not eating much of either. squash i would rather also
eat plain with a little butter and not combined with
a lot of other things, but it is more ok to me to mix
with other veggies and not meat.


songbird

[Carol]

Post by songbird
...

Post by Carol
Ever had pulled pork? Pretty close to it. Needs the right cut with
butt being optimal to me.

yep. but these days we more often have just been
using pork loin instead and supply plenty of garlic
and onions while letting it slow cook until we pull
it apart and add bbq sauce to cook it a while longer
to finish. by this point the onions and garlic have
mostly disappeared and we like not having much extra
fat to deal with - we hardly ever bother removing
what little there is when using pork loin.

Humm! I just did pork loin into Hawaiian Red cooked pork (Nibbling it
still with rice and steamed green veggies).

Post by songbird
your original dish as posted had little appeal to

Sorry for the confusion. It's not 'my recipe' but one another posted
on groups.io. Nice place but they rarely tell folks what's wrong with
a recipe... (trying to be polite, I am sure)

Post by songbird
me as while i do eat pork once in a while it's not a
main meal very often at all and potatoes i'm largely
not eating much of either. squash i would rather also
eat plain with a little butter and not combined with
a lot of other things, but it is more ok to me to mix
with other veggies and not meat.
songbird

We've largely shifted off beef due to costs. More pork, poultry and
seafood took it's place.

Tonight I plan diced tomatoes over rice with garnish of red pork, and
steamed Bok Choy with butter.

[dsi1]

Post by Carol
We've largely shifted off beef due to costs. More pork, poultry and
seafood took it's place.
Tonight I plan diced tomatoes over rice with garnish of red pork, and
steamed Bok Choy with butter.

I had some tan tan ramen. The ramen was from Sun Noodle. I fried up some
pork/beef with black bean sauce and chili sauce. It was very good. I
also made some lomi-lomi salmon. I'll let it sit overnight for the juice
to come out of the tomato. Maybe I'll even lomi-lomi it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/eRzwNEyoGMCwk6MR8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xVNiaMY72xpUXeyD6

[Bruce]

Post by dsi1

Post by Carol
We've largely shifted off beef due to costs. More pork, poultry and
seafood took it's place.
Tonight I plan diced tomatoes over rice with garnish of red pork, and
steamed Bok Choy with butter.

I had some tan tan ramen. The ramen was from Sun Noodle. I fried up some
pork/beef with black bean sauce and chili sauce.

When you say black bean, you mean the fermented ones, right? They were
the only ones I knew, until RFC told me about the common black beans
that you can buy in cans.

[dsi1]

Post by Bruce

Post by dsi1

Post by Carol
We've largely shifted off beef due to costs. More pork, poultry and
seafood took it's place.
Tonight I plan diced tomatoes over rice with garnish of red pork, and
steamed Bok Choy with butter.

I had some tan tan ramen. The ramen was from Sun Noodle. I fried up some
pork/beef with black bean sauce and chili sauce.

When you say black bean, you mean the fermented ones, right? They were
the only ones I knew, until RFC told me about the common black beans
that you can buy in cans.

I do mean fermented black beans. As it goes, common black beans are
pretty common. The Mexicans call them frijoles negros. I have a can of
black beans given to us by Mexican friends. I'll probably just dump it
in some chili or, I can use it in tortilla soup.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vGKrdkpz2PCqGUpb6

[Bruce]

Post by dsi1

Post by Bruce

Post by dsi1

Post by Carol
We've largely shifted off beef due to costs. More pork, poultry and
seafood took it's place.
Tonight I plan diced tomatoes over rice with garnish of red pork, and
steamed Bok Choy with butter.

I had some tan tan ramen. The ramen was from Sun Noodle. I fried up some
pork/beef with black bean sauce and chili sauce.

When you say black bean, you mean the fermented ones, right? They were
the only ones I knew, until RFC told me about the common black beans
that you can buy in cans.

I do mean fermented black beans. As it goes, common black beans are
pretty common. The Mexicans call them frijoles negros. I have a can of
black beans given to us by Mexican friends. I'll probably just dump it
in some chili or, I can use it in tortilla soup.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vGKrdkpz2PCqGUpb6

I like both types, but fermented black beans get the Oscar.

[Carol]

Post by dsi1

Post by Carol
We've largely shifted off beef due to costs. More pork, poultry and
seafood took it's place.
Tonight I plan diced tomatoes over rice with garnish of red pork,
and steamed Bok Choy with butter.

I had some tan tan ramen. The ramen was from Sun Noodle. I fried up
some pork/beef with black bean sauce and chili sauce. It was very
good. I also made some lomi-lomi salmon. I'll let it sit overnight
for the juice to come out of the tomato. Maybe I'll even lomi-lomi it.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/eRzwNEyoGMCwk6MR8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xVNiaMY72xpUXeyD6

Somehow I never got into lomi lomi. Ah well.

Tonight was brown curry gravy with meatballs and lots of oyster
mushrooms, poured over rice and sided with steamed Choy Sum drizzled
with garlic butter. Served with my rare 100% whole wheat. Fresh
cherries for dessert.

[dsi1]

Post by Carol
Somehow I never got into lomi lomi. Ah well.
Tonight was brown curry gravy with meatballs and lots of oyster
mushrooms, poured over rice and sided with steamed Choy Sum drizzled
with garlic butter. Served with my rare 100% whole wheat. Fresh
cherries for dessert.

Tonight I had spicy ahi katsu. Gosh, it's good. We also had a new poke
item: coconut tako poke. Coconut milk, octopus, onions, with a slight
spicy kick. It's good. My son brought some soft, fancy, cookies. It was
all good.

My son's Lexus had a trim piece come off the roof rack. I was checking
it out to see how it could be replaced. The other side came off too. It
was mostly held on by gravity. It seems that someone had the audacity to
try to carry luggage on the roof. Applying any force on the piece causes
the plastic mounting pins to shear off. A most perplexing design!

Somebody's been parking a Corvette in the parking lot. Those things are
nearly 50 years old. You don't see very many of those around.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dQJWtVfQ8xc8LHgf8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/6kWp6UqYzBzrDPkw8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/gFy8vNX8rBa6nFuY7

[songbird]

Carol wrote:
...

Post by Carol
We've largely shifted off beef due to costs. More pork, poultry and
seafood took it's place.

i don't eat a lot of meat so the price of beef vs. other
meats isn't going to be a major change in my budget.

Post by Carol
Tonight I plan diced tomatoes over rice with garnish of red pork, and
steamed Bok Choy with butter.

sounds good to me. :)


songbird

[D]

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing in the
spices but can't seem to narrow in on it. Mushrooms aare missing
too but easily added in. Also needs more garlic than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3 small red
potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed.
Last 10 minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with
salad and warmed flour tortillas. Serves 4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.
Jill

Yeah, everyone else is saying 'yes' but they are just being nice. The
canned potatoes are the worst. Something not matching with the squash.
I'm thinking potatoes and carrots and lots of mushrooms. Cumin would
be ok, but not alone.

The squash would turn to mush and not contribute anything. Overall, the
recipe simply doesn't sound good.
Jill

The squash is removed. All in favour say aye!

[Carol]

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing
in the spices but can't seem to narrow in on it. Mushrooms
aare missing too but easily added in. Also needs more garlic
than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3 small
red potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed.
Last 10 minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with
salad and warmed flour tortillas. Serves 4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.
Jill

Yeah, everyone else is saying 'yes' but they are just being nice.
The canned potatoes are the worst. Something not matching with the
squash.
I'm thinking potatoes and carrots and lots of mushrooms. Cumin
would be ok, but not alone.

The squash would turn to mush and not contribute anything. Overall,
the recipe simply doesn't sound good.
Jill

Yes, that's it and the potatoes need to be Yukon or reds.

Worcestershire would improve it. I think a can of black beans would
balance it (no summer squash at all!). Pork broth seasoning would be a
good addition.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Carol

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing
in the spices but can't seem to narrow in on it. Mushrooms
aare missing too but easily added in. Also needs more garlic
than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3 small
red potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed.
Last 10 minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with
salad and warmed flour tortillas. Serves 4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.
Jill

Yeah, everyone else is saying 'yes' but they are just being nice.
The canned potatoes are the worst. Something not matching with the
squash.
I'm thinking potatoes and carrots and lots of mushrooms. Cumin
would be ok, but not alone.

The squash would turn to mush and not contribute anything. Overall,
the recipe simply doesn't sound good.
Jill

Yes, that's it and the potatoes need to be Yukon or reds.
Worcestershire would improve it. I think a can of black beans would
balance it (no summer squash at all!). Pork broth seasoning would be a
good addition.

If I were going to make a pork stew I think I would aim for something
like goulash. There is also a Brazilian black bean and pork stew.
Feijoada. FWIW, it was almost 5 years ago now that we came back from
Ottawa by way of NY state and stopped in the small town of Pulaski. We
had our doubts when we went in but it was the only place around and it
was getting late on a Sunday night. I had their Brazilian style roasted
pork which involved a lot of vinegar. Our son had the Feijoda. Since he
knew about the dish, was keen on it and it was getting close to closing
time they gave him a huge portion and gave me some to try. Really good.
This would suite your low meat diet.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 18:22:03 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Carol
Yes, that's it and the potatoes need to be Yukon or reds.
Worcestershire would improve it. I think a can of black beans would
balance it (no summer squash at all!). Pork broth seasoning would be a
good addition.

If I were going to make a pork stew I think I would aim for something
like goulash. There is also a Brazilian black bean and pork stew.
Feijoada. FWIW, it was almost 5 years ago now that we came back from
Ottawa by way of NY state

Ah, by way of NY state, the plot thickens already!

Post by Dave Smith
and stopped in the small town of Pulaski.

Ah, good ol' Pulaski!

Post by Dave Smith
We had our doubts when we went in but it was the only place around
and it was getting late on a Sunday night.

Not a Saturday night, not a Monday night, but a Sunday night!

Post by Dave Smith
I had their Brazilian style roasted pork which involved a lot of vinegar.
Our son had the Feijoda. Since he knew about the dish, was keen on
it and it was getting close to closing time they gave him a huge portion
and gave me some to try. Really good. This would suite your low meat diet.

Carol eats meat all the time. She's no more a neat vegetarian than
she's part native American. After all these years, you should know
better than to believe her nonsense. She'll say anything to make
herself more interesting.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Dave Smith

Worcestershire would improve it.  I think a can of black beans would
balance it (no summer squash at all!).  Pork broth seasoning would be a
good addition.

Sorry Carol, but I would throw out the recipe completely. Whenever I
see a recipe call for something pre-made, boxed, or canned, I typically
just skip on by. A good Filipino Adobo recipe would work for "pork stew".

Post by Dave Smith
If I were going to make a pork stew I think I would aim for something
like goulash. There is also a Brazilian black bean and pork stew.
Feijoada.

I've never heard of it, but that sure sounds good. Something like this?

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/139208/feijoada-brazilian-black-bean-stew/

[Dave Smith]

Post by Dave Smith

Worcestershire would improve it.  I think a can of black beans would
balance it (no summer squash at all!).  Pork broth seasoning would be a
good addition.

Sorry Carol, but I would throw out the recipe completely.  Whenever I
see a recipe call for something pre-made, boxed, or canned, I typically
just skip on by.  A good Filipino Adobo recipe would work for "pork stew".

Post by Dave Smith
If I were going to make a pork stew I think I would aim for something
like goulash. There is also a Brazilian black bean and pork stew.
Feijoada.

I've never heard of it, but that sure sounds good.  Something like this?
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/139208/feijoada-brazilian-black-bean-
stew/

That's the stuff. From what I understand it is their national dish. I
tried some and it was really good.

We really lucked out finding that place. Thank goodness for smart phones
and the internet. It was in a small town off the interstate. It really
didn't look like much and we weren't even sure if it was still open, nor
did it look like it had been cleaned in a while. The good was great.I
checked it out last night and it looks like it has gone out of business.

[Jill McQuown]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Worcestershire would improve it.  I think a can of black beans would
balance it (no summer squash at all!).  Pork broth seasoning would be a
good addition.

Sorry Carol, but I would throw out the recipe completely.  Whenever I
see a recipe call for something pre-made, boxed, or canned, I
typically just skip on by.  A good Filipino Adobo recipe would work
for "pork stew".

Post by Dave Smith
If I were going to make a pork stew I think I would aim for something
like goulash. There is also a Brazilian black bean and pork stew.
Feijoada.

I've never heard of it, but that sure sounds good.  Something like this?
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/139208/feijoada-brazilian-black-
bean- stew/

That's the stuff. From what I understand it is their national dish. I
tried some and it was really good.
We really lucked out finding that place. Thank goodness for smart phones
and the internet.  It was in a small town off the interstate.  It really
didn't look like much and we weren't even sure if it was still open, nor
did it look like it had been cleaned in a while. The good was great.I
checked it out last night and it looks like it has gone out of business.

Sadly, a lot of small restaurants like that closed due in part to Covid-19.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Dave Smith
We really lucked out finding that place. Thank goodness for smart
phones and the internet.  It was in a small town off the interstate.
It really didn't look like much and we weren't even sure if it was
still open, nor did it look like it had been cleaned in a while. The
good was great.I checked it out last night and it looks like it has
gone out of business.

Sadly, a lot of small restaurants like that closed due in part to Covid-19.

By coincidence, this was before Covid.... just days before. We had to
go to Ottawa for my niece's funeral and we were concerned about traffic
disruptions. First of all there was the horrendous Toronto traffic to
deal with and there were sporadic native protests that had been shutting
down highways. The trip from here to Ottawa is about 20 miles longer
than sticking to Ontario and it is a much nice drive. There is never any
congestion.

The funeral stuff was done the first week of March 2020. Our niece
worked for our intelligence agency and there were a lot of her
co-workers there. Who knows where those people had been travelling at a
time when we were hearing more and more about this epidemic that was
sweeping the world. We made it back home in food time and a week later
they shut down the border for all but essential travel.

It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the facility
manager came in and told us we had to leave the building. They had no
idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4 weeks. it was a
lot longer than that.

[Jill McQuown]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Dave Smith
We really lucked out finding that place. Thank goodness for smart
phones and the internet.  It was in a small town off the interstate.
It really didn't look like much and we weren't even sure if it was
still open, nor did it look like it had been cleaned in a while. The
good was great.I checked it out last night and it looks like it has
gone out of business.

Sadly, a lot of small restaurants like that closed due in part to Covid-19.

By coincidence, this was before Covid.... just days before.

(snippage)

Post by Dave Smith
It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the facility
manager came in and told us we had to leave the building. They had no
idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4 weeks.  it was a
lot longer than that.

Yeah, well the point is I'm sure the shutdowns didn't help the
restaurant in any way, shape or form.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Dave Smith
It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the facility
manager came in and told us we had to leave the building. They had no
idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4 weeks.  it was a
lot longer than that.

Yeah, well the point is I'm sure the shutdowns didn't help the
restaurant in any way, shape or form.

I am sure that a lot of places had trouble coping with restrictions and
higher prices. Some seemed to cope quite well. The corner coffee shop
bakery could not have indoor dining but they had a thriving take out
business. There was a restriction on the number of customers in the
store at one time and people had to wear a mask and socially distance.
They only have room for one employee at the counter and there was a
steady line of customers are the counter, so they were doing the same
business they always had.

[Jill McQuown]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Dave Smith
It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the
facility manager came in and told us we had to leave the building.
They had no idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4
weeks.  it was a lot longer than that.

Yeah, well the point is I'm sure the shutdowns didn't help the
restaurant in any way, shape or form.

I am sure that a lot of places had trouble coping with restrictions and
higher prices. Some seemed to cope quite well. The corner coffee shop
bakery could not have indoor dining but they had a thriving take out
business. There was a restriction on the number of customers in the
store at one time and people had to wear a mask and socially distance.
They only have room for one employee at the counter and there was a
steady line of  customers are the counter, so they were doing the same
business they always had.

I know you love your coffee shop but I've never understood the appeal,
not even when I drank coffee. It's nice they managed to stay in business.

Jill

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Dave Smith
The funeral stuff was done the first week of March 2020. Our niece
worked for our intelligence agency and there were a lot of her
co-workers there. Who knows where those people had been travelling at a
time when we were hearing more and more about this epidemic that was
sweeping the world. We made it back home in food time and a week later
they shut down the border for all but essential travel.

I credit March 15, 2020 as the start of the covid panic. Things got much
worse from there, but that's the first time that my usual grocery store
looked like a morgue with very little on the shelves.

Post by Dave Smith
It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the facility
manager came in and told us we had to leave the building. They had no
idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4 weeks. it was a
lot longer than that.

Many credit rules and regulations, passed with little idea of the
pathogen, and based on anecdotal thoughts from previous, very old health
scares, as saving millions of lives.
In fact, no one has any idea of the lives saved by rules, regulations and
the vaccinations. "A new study shows", means nothing.
What is known is that the panic completely destroyed many, many jobs and
the American economy. Just look around you. It ain't back yet.
And for the hell of it, this covid was created in a gain-of-function lab
in Wuhan, China. Any other explanation is ridiculous, ass-covering,
nonsense.
Thoughts? Rebuttals?
I'm a sensitive guy. If you're too mean, I may cry. :(

[Bruce]

On 28 Jan 2025 01:49:19 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Dave Smith
The funeral stuff was done the first week of March 2020. Our niece
worked for our intelligence agency and there were a lot of her
co-workers there. Who knows where those people had been travelling at a
time when we were hearing more and more about this epidemic that was
sweeping the world. We made it back home in food time and a week later
they shut down the border for all but essential travel.

I credit March 15, 2020 as the start of the covid panic. Things got much
worse from there, but that's the first time that my usual grocery store
looked like a morgue with very little on the shelves.

Post by Dave Smith
It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the facility
manager came in and told us we had to leave the building. They had no
idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4 weeks. it was a
lot longer than that.

Many credit rules and regulations, passed with little idea of the
pathogen, and based on anecdotal thoughts from previous, very old health
scares, as saving millions of lives.
In fact, no one has any idea of the lives saved by rules, regulations and
the vaccinations. "A new study shows", means nothing.
What is known is that the panic completely destroyed many, many jobs and
the American economy. Just look around you. It ain't back yet.

Trump's in power and your economy's not booming? How's that possible?

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
And for the hell of it, this covid was created in a gain-of-function lab
in Wuhan, China. Any other explanation is ridiculous, ass-covering,
nonsense.
Thoughts? Rebuttals?
I'm a sensitive guy. If you're too mean, I may cry. :(

I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Bruce
I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

No, Sweetie, my statement is glaringly obvious, beat you on your thick
head with, truth. The facts may never be revealed, because China has a
big stake in the outcome.
Do you remember when the outbreak first occurred? If you were from
Wuhan, you could travel anywhere in the World, but you couldn't travel
outside your province within China.
How odd. Nothing suspicious here. Move along!

[Bruce]

On 28 Jan 2025 02:48:49 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

No, Sweetie, my statement is glaringly obvious, beat you on your thick
head with, truth. The facts may never be revealed, because China has a
big stake in the outcome.
Do you remember when the outbreak first occurred? If you were from
Wuhan, you could travel anywhere in the World, but you couldn't travel
outside your province within China.
How odd. Nothing suspicious here. Move along!

I'm not saying it didn't start in Wuhan. Everybody seems to agree on
that. But did it come from a lab there or from a market there?

[Ed P]

Post by Bruce
On 28 Jan 2025 02:48:49 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

No, Sweetie, my statement is glaringly obvious, beat you on your thick
head with, truth. The facts may never be revealed, because China has a
big stake in the outcome.
Do you remember when the outbreak first occurred? If you were from
Wuhan, you could travel anywhere in the World, but you couldn't travel
outside your province within China.
How odd. Nothing suspicious here. Move along!

I'm not saying it didn't start in Wuhan. Everybody seems to agree on
that. But did it come from a lab there or from a market there?

Doubt we will ever know for sure but there will be plenty of conspiracy
ideas.

If it was in Wuhan, I can see the China government not wanting to spread
it in their country and not give a damn about the rest of the world.

[songbird]

Ed P wrote:
...

Post by Ed P
If it was in Wuhan, I can see the China government not wanting to spread
it in their country and not give a damn about the rest of the world.

i could also see some idiot president not caring to shut down
the airlines until they understood better what was being spread
where.


songbird

[Dave Smith]

Post by songbird
...

Post by Ed P
If it was in Wuhan, I can see the China government not wanting to spread
it in their country and not give a damn about the rest of the world.

i could also see some idiot president not caring to shut down
the airlines until they understood better what was being spread
where.

It could have been some idiot prime minister who delayed shutting down
air travel until his wife, mother and brother got back from Europe where
they were supposedly doing charity work which turned out to have been
the three of them all being paid a lot of money to be motivational
speakers for an organization that been given a very lucrative contract
by the government.

[D]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

No, Sweetie, my statement is glaringly obvious, beat you on your thick
head with, truth. The facts may never be revealed, because China has a
big stake in the outcome.
Do you remember when the outbreak first occurred? If you were from
Wuhan, you could travel anywhere in the World, but you couldn't travel
outside your province within China.
How odd. Nothing suspicious here. Move along!

Also let us add two more pieces tp the puzzle.

1. The sign on the door on the lab in china saying covid lab. The clue is
in the name!

2. The delay by china, of WHO investigators with about 2-3 weeks before
they were let into the country.

Nothing to see here... please, move along.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Bruce
Trump's in power and your economy's not booming? How's that possible?

He's been in power for two weeks. He's done more in two weeks than any
president in my lifetime. I expect that the judicial system will kick
into overdrive quite soon, to protect those who wish to blunder blindly,
into an unknown future, unburdened by what has been.

Post by Bruce
I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

It's not a hunch, it's a fact. Any other explanation borders on raw
stupidity. The only Chinese lab, monkeying with an obscure virus, made
it work. Bats and pangolins had nothing to do with it.
What other virulent successes, that haven't escaped the lab, do you
suppose are out there?

[Bruce]

On 28 Jan 2025 06:23:06 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Trump's in power and your economy's not booming? How's that possible?

He's been in power for two weeks. He's done more in two weeks than any
president in my lifetime. I expect that the judicial system will kick
into overdrive quite soon, to protect those who wish to blunder blindly,
into an unknown future, unburdened by what has been.

Two weeks? I thought he's end the Russia/Ukraine war in one day.

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

It's not a hunch, it's a fact. Any other explanation borders on raw
stupidity.

Says Leo Blaisdell, expert virologist.

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
The only Chinese lab, monkeying with an obscure virus, made
it work. Bats and pangolins had nothing to do with it.

Says Leo Blaisdell, expert virologist.

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
What other virulent successes, that haven't escaped the lab, do you
suppose are out there?

I don't know. I'm not an expert virologist. You'll have to tell us.

[D]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Trump's in power and your economy's not booming? How's that possible?

He's been in power for two weeks. He's done more in two weeks than any
president in my lifetime. I expect that the judicial system will kick
into overdrive quite soon, to protect those who wish to blunder blindly,
into an unknown future, unburdened by what has been.

Post by Bruce
I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

It's not a hunch, it's a fact. Any other explanation borders on raw
stupidity. The only Chinese lab, monkeying with an obscure virus, made
it work. Bats and pangolins had nothing to do with it.
What other virulent successes, that haven't escaped the lab, do you
suppose are out there?

This is the truth and scientifically proven. Can we stop spreading
misinformation and fake news now, that corona was somehow a "freak of
nature" and had nothing to do with china?

If someone does not realize it came from china, the person must be a
foreign agent, and should be deported!

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Trump's in power and your economy's not booming? How's that possible?

He's been in power for two weeks. He's done more in two weeks than any
president in my lifetime.

He certainly has committed more violations of the Constitution and
federal law in his first two weeks than any president in your lifetime.

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
I expect that the judicial system will kick
into overdrive quite soon, to protect those who wish to blunder blindly,
into an unknown future, unburdened by what has been.

The DOJ has promised to further Trump's agenda rather than uphold
the law. What could go wrong?

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

It's not a hunch, it's a fact.

We can't claim it as a fact without evidence.

[D]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Trump's in power and your economy's not booming? How's that possible?

He's been in power for two weeks. He's done more in two weeks than any
president in my lifetime.

He certainly has committed more violations of the Constitution and
federal law in his first two weeks than any president in your lifetime.

Interesting. Have their been many court processes start the past two weeks
that have delivered sentences?

Also note that when draining the swamp, you will have to drain away
corrupt judges who's opinion is meaningless since they are just trying to
save themselves.

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
I expect that the judicial system will kick
into overdrive quite soon, to protect those who wish to blunder blindly,
into an unknown future, unburdened by what has been.

The DOJ has promised to further Trump's agenda rather than uphold
the law. What could go wrong?

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
I'm surprised that scientists still don't know or are divided over
whether covid was man made or not. Your hunch is just another opinion.

It's not a hunch, it's a fact.

We can't claim it as a fact without evidence.

[Ed P]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Trump's in power and your economy's not booming? How's that possible?

He's been in power for two weeks. He's done more in two weeks than any
president in my lifetime. I expect that the judicial system will kick
into overdrive quite soon, to protect those who wish to blunder blindly,
into an unknown future, unburdened by what has been.

Yes, it is a good time for constitutional lawyers. Maybe if he just
uses some White-Out he can get rid of the 14th Amendment and no one will
even notice.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Dave Smith
The funeral stuff was done the first week of March 2020. Our niece
worked for our intelligence agency and there were a lot of her
co-workers there. Who knows where those people had been travelling at a
time when we were hearing more and more about this epidemic that was
sweeping the world. We made it back home in food time and a week later
they shut down the border for all but essential travel.

I credit March 15, 2020 as the start of the covid panic. Things got much
worse from there, but that's the first time that my usual grocery store
looked like a morgue with very little on the shelves.

That was when the crap hit the fan. I remember news reports and people
talking about it before the lockdown. I think the panic had already
started.

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Dave Smith
It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the facility
manager came in and told us we had to leave the building. They had no
idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4 weeks. it was a
lot longer than that.

Many credit rules and regulations, passed with little idea of the
pathogen, and based on anecdotal thoughts from previous, very old health
scares, as saving millions of lives.

I don't expect anyone to pay close enough attention to my ramblings at
the time but I did object to the use of the phase "follow the science"
when the "science" was basically anecdotal and kept changing.

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
In fact, no one has any idea of the lives saved by rules, regulations and
the vaccinations. "A new study shows", means nothing.
What is known is that the panic completely destroyed many, many jobs and
the American economy. Just look around you. It ain't back yet.
And for the hell of it, this covid was created in a gain-of-function lab
in Wuhan, China. Any other explanation is ridiculous, ass-covering,
nonsense.

It was more than the US economy that was affected. It was pretty much
the whole world. It seems that a number of serious viruses seem to
originate in China. The most recent news seems to suggest that did come
from a lab in Wuhan but they don't want to come right out and confront
them over it. And who can doubt the word of American intelligence
services? These are the guys who fed us the story about Saddam Hussein
having a vast arsenal of WMDs that justified an invasion of a country
half way around the world, and when they finally admitted that they had
not found any the story changed and it had been about regime change all
along.

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Thoughts? Rebuttals?
I'm a sensitive guy. If you're too mean, I may cry. :(

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:39:53 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Many credit rules and regulations, passed with little idea of the
pathogen, and based on anecdotal thoughts from previous, very old health
scares, as saving millions of lives.

I don't expect anyone to pay close enough attention to my ramblings at
the time but I did object to the use of the phase "follow the science"
when the "science" was basically anecdotal and kept changing.

Good science updates when new information comes available, otherwise
our planet would still be flat.

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
In fact, no one has any idea of the lives saved by rules, regulations and
the vaccinations. "A new study shows", means nothing.
What is known is that the panic completely destroyed many, many jobs and
the American economy. Just look around you. It ain't back yet.
And for the hell of it, this covid was created in a gain-of-function lab
in Wuhan, China. Any other explanation is ridiculous, ass-covering,
nonsense.

It was more than the US economy that was affected. It was pretty much
the whole world.

Where would we be without you, Dave?

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Bruce
Good science updates when new information comes available, otherwise
our planet would still be flat.

When science and politics collide, there is no science, only greed.
If one can't do it with math and verifiable experimentation, it's a
theory, not a fact. Theories are subject to proof.
Proofs lead to laws. There are damned few scientific laws. There are no
political laws. There are just political theories.
Aristarchus led to Copernicus led to Galileo. That's how science works.
Poison science with politics, and science becomes ineffective and
unreliable. A new study suggests...

[D]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Good science updates when new information comes available, otherwise
our planet would still be flat.

When science and politics collide, there is no science, only greed.
If one can't do it with math and verifiable experimentation, it's a
theory, not a fact. Theories are subject to proof.
Proofs lead to laws. There are damned few scientific laws. There are no
political laws. There are just political theories.
Aristarchus led to Copernicus led to Galileo. That's how science works.
Poison science with politics, and science becomes ineffective and
unreliable. A new study suggests...

And the winner is... Leo! Well played Sir!

[Bruce]

On 28 Jan 2025 10:57:08 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Good science updates when new information comes available, otherwise
our planet would still be flat.

When science and politics collide, there is no science, only greed.

You don't believe there are scientists who simply do their scientific
research, regardless of politics? They're all on the take? And they,
of course, are all socialists? Is that a good summary of what goes on
in your feverish mind?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Good science updates when new information comes available, otherwise
our planet would still be flat.

When science and politics collide, there is no science, only greed.
If one can't do it with math and verifiable experimentation, it's a
theory, not a fact.

I think you mean "hypothesis".

"A scientific theory is a well-supported explanation of a natural
phenomenon that's based on evidence, observation, and experimentation.
Theories are reliable accounts of the real world, not guesses."

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Theories are subject to proof.
Proofs lead to laws. There are damned few scientific laws. There are no
political laws. There are just political theories.
Aristarchus led to Copernicus led to Galileo. That's how science works.
Poison science with politics, and science becomes ineffective and
unreliable. A new study suggests...

I think you're confusing science reporting in the popular press with
real science.

[Hank Rogers]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Good science updates when new information comes available, otherwise
our planet would still be flat.

When science and politics collide, there is no science, only greed.
If one can't do it with math and verifiable experimentation, it's a
theory, not a fact.

I think you mean "hypothesis".
"A scientific theory is a well-supported explanation of a natural
phenomenon that's based on evidence, observation, and experimentation.
Theories are reliable accounts of the real world, not guesses."

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Theories are subject to proof.
Proofs lead to laws. There are damned few scientific laws. There are no
political laws. There are just political theories.
Aristarchus led to Copernicus led to Galileo. That's how science works.
Poison science with politics, and science becomes ineffective and
unreliable. A new study suggests...

I think you're confusing science reporting in the popular press with
real science.

Damn. Does fox news have a science editor?

[gm]

Post by Hank Rogers
Damn. Does fox news have a science editor?

From THE DONALD @ TRUTH SOCIAL...!!!

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump


"Wow, really good news! Jim Acosta, one of the worst and most dishonest
reporters in journalistic history, a major sleazebag, has been relegated
by CNN Fake News to the Midnight hour, “Death Valley,” because of
extraordinarily BAD RATINGS (and no talent!). Word is that he wants to
QUIT, and that would be even better. Jim is a major loser who will fail
no matter where he ends up. Good luck Jim...!!!"

NY POST:

"Acosta became famous during the first Trump administration for his
regular combative “grandstanding” during press briefings, as the
Washington Post’s media reporter, Paul Farhi, described it at the
time...

“Acosta’s remarks aren’t just blunt; they’re unusual. Reporters are
supposed to report, not opine,” wrote Farhi. “Yet Acosta’s disdain has
flowed openly, raising a question about how far a reporter — supposedly
a neutral arbiter of facts, not a commenter on them — can and should
go.”...

Acosta constantly did what reporters are told not to do: he made himself
the story time and time again...

😎

--
GM

--

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Dave Smith
I don't expect anyone to pay close enough attention to my ramblings at
the time but I did object to the use of the phase "follow the science"
when the "science" was basically anecdotal and kept changing.

Science always keeps changing. That's what it's supposed to do.
Otherwise, we'd still have phlogiston theory.

That said, very little science was involved in those recommendations.
There's very little science in the practice of medicine.

"Science" is a word that's thrown around without much regard for
its meaning:

The systematic study of the structure and behavior of the
physical and natural world through observation, experimentation,
and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained.

People get all weird when you start to set up experiments on people
that involve virulent diseases.

Does anybody think that standing a foot away from a sick person is
a good idea? Given that it's possible to have COVID and not know it,
I was quite happy to stay home and away from sources of infection.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Dave Smith
I don't expect anyone to pay close enough attention to my ramblings at
the time but I did object to the use of the phase "follow the science"
when the "science" was basically anecdotal and kept changing.

Science always keeps changing. That's what it's supposed to do.
Otherwise, we'd still have phlogiston theory.

There is a reason that scientific research is supposed to be based on
empirical research. In the early days of the pandemic the science was
mutating faster than the virus. When I started seeing the Wuhan flu.

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Does anybody think that standing a foot away from a sick person is
a good idea? Given that it's possible to have COVID and not know it,
I was quite happy to stay home and away from sources of infection.

I managed to avoid it for four years before I finally got a mild case
of it.

I had a strange encounter with an old lady coming out of a grocery
store. It was before the mask mandate but I was socially distancing.
There was a bunch of people coming out of the store and I kept my
distance. This old lady wearing a mask went out of her way way confront
me. She stopped right in front on me and pulled her mask down and then
said "I am wearing this mask to protect you. You should be wearing one
to protect others". She did not get the response she was likely
expecting. I asked "Are you fucking nuts?" and pointed out that I had
been socially distanced, that she approached me, pulled her mask down
and was talking right into my face.

[Jill McQuown]

Post by Dave Smith
I had a strange encounter with an old lady coming out of a grocery
store. It was before the mask mandate but I was socially distancing.
There was a bunch of people coming out of the store and I kept my
distance. This old lady wearing a mask went out of her way way confront
me. She stopped right in front on me and pulled her mask down and then
said "I am wearing this mask to protect you. You should be wearing one
to protect others".  She did not get the response she was likely
expecting. I asked "Are you fucking nuts?"  and pointed out that I had
been socially distanced, that she approached me, pulled her mask down
and was talking right into my face.

Well it looks as though you're more than prepared now, officer Dave!

https://postimg.cc/0rwzTRF1

Jill

[Buford]

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Dave Smith
I had a strange encounter with an old lady coming out of a grocery
store. It was before the mask mandate but I was socially distancing.
There was a bunch of people coming out of the store and I kept my
distance. This old lady wearing a mask went out of her way way confront
me. She stopped right in front on me and pulled her mask down and then
said "I am wearing this mask to protect you. You should be wearing one
to protect others".  She did not get the response she was likely
expecting. I asked "Are you fucking nuts?"  and pointed out that I had
been socially distanced, that she approached me, pulled her mask down
and was talking right into my face.

Well it looks as though you're more than prepared now, officer Dave!
https://postimg.cc/0rwzTRF1
Jill

ROFL!

[dsi1]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Dave Smith
I don't expect anyone to pay close enough attention to my ramblings at
the time but I did object to the use of the phase "follow the science"
when the "science" was basically anecdotal and kept changing.

Science always keeps changing. That's what it's supposed to do.
Otherwise, we'd still have phlogiston theory.

There is a reason that scientific research is supposed to be based on
empirical research. In the early days of the pandemic the science was
mutating faster than the virus. When I started seeing the Wuhan flu.

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Does anybody think that standing a foot away from a sick person is
a good idea? Given that it's possible to have COVID and not know it,
I was quite happy to stay home and away from sources of infection.

I managed to avoid it for four years before I finally got a mild case
of it.
I had a strange encounter with an old lady coming out of a grocery
store. It was before the mask mandate but I was socially distancing.
There was a bunch of people coming out of the store and I kept my
distance. This old lady wearing a mask went out of her way way confront
me. She stopped right in front on me and pulled her mask down and then
said "I am wearing this mask to protect you. You should be wearing one
to protect others". She did not get the response she was likely
expecting. I asked "Are you fucking nuts?" and pointed out that I had
been socially distanced, that she approached me, pulled her mask down
and was talking right into my face.

As we all know, old people are batty as hell. They're so full of
themselves!

[Dave Smith]

Post by dsi1

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith
I don't expect anyone to pay close enough attention to my ramblings at
the time but I did object to the use of the phase "follow the science"
when the "science" was basically anecdotal and kept changing.

Science always keeps changing.  That's what it's supposed to do.
Otherwise, we'd still have phlogiston theory.

There is a reason that scientific research is supposed to be based on
empirical research.  In the early days of the pandemic the science was
mutating faster than the virus.  When I started seeing the Wuhan flu.

Does anybody think that standing a foot away from a sick person is
a good idea?  Given that it's possible to have COVID and not know it,
I was quite happy to stay home and away from sources of infection.

I managed to avoid it for four years before I finally got a mild  case
of it.
I had a strange encounter with an old lady coming out of a grocery
store. It was before the mask mandate but I was socially distancing.
There was a bunch of people coming out of the store and I kept my
distance. This old lady wearing a mask went out of her way way confront
me. She stopped right in front on me and pulled her mask down and then
said "I am wearing this mask to protect you. You should be wearing one
to protect others".  She did not get the response she was likely
expecting. I asked "Are you fucking nuts?"  and pointed out that I had
been socially distanced, that she approached me, pulled her mask down
and was talking right into my face.

As we all know, old people are batty as hell. They're so full of
themselves!

There was a bunch old people coming out at the same time. The were
headed in basically the same direction and I had moved over to be to the
right of them (their left). This one was the only one wearing a mask. It
was before the mask mandate. I don't know what possessed her to get up
right in my face and pull hers down to try to shame me. It was so weird
to be consciously socially distancing as per the science of the week at
that stage of the pandemic and to have someone right in my face, way
closer than I would tolerate in normal conditions and basically
contradicting everything she seemed to think she stood for.

[͡° ͜ʖ ͡°]

Post by Dave Smith
There was a bunch old people coming out at the same time. The were
headed in basically the same direction and I had moved over to be to the
right of them (their left).

Were you wearing your tinfoil hat, officer Dave?

https://postimg.cc/jwctC3ys

[Jill McQuown]

Post by Dave Smith
I had a strange encounter with an old lady coming out of a grocery
store. It was before the mask mandate but I was socially distancing.
There was a bunch of people coming out of the store and I kept my
distance. This old lady wearing a mask went out of her way way confront
me. She stopped right in front on me and pulled her mask down and then
said "I am wearing this mask to protect you. You should be wearing one
to protect others".  She did not get the response she was likely
expecting. I asked "Are you fucking nuts?"  and pointed out that I had
been socially distanced, that she approached me, pulled her mask down
and was talking right into my face.

When the whole social distancing, lock down and mask thing started
people still needed to be able to go out and buy food. Publix had every
other aisle marked like one way streets. This was to avoid having
people meeting in the middle the aisles while perusing the shelves.
There were markers on the floors requesting people please stay 6 feet
apart. Masks were mandatory unless you had some special medical
dispensation (e.g. breathing problems) for not wearing one. There was a
woman who looked to be around 40 years old wearing a T-Shirt that read:
"Medically Exempt from Mask!" She kept walking right up to people,
trying to talk to them. When I saw her doing this, if I saw her heading
in my direction I immediately went down a different aisle. There was
something wrong with her and it had nothing to do with Covid-19.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

Post by Jill McQuown
When the whole social distancing, lock down and mask thing started
people still needed to be able to go out and buy food.  Publix had every
other aisle marked like one way streets.  This was to avoid having
people meeting in the middle the aisles while perusing the shelves.
There were markers on the floors requesting people please stay 6 feet
apart.  Masks were mandatory unless you had some special medical
dispensation (e.g. breathing problems) for not wearing one.  There was a
"Medically Exempt from Mask!"  She kept walking right up to people,
trying to talk to them.  When I saw her doing this, if I saw her heading
in my direction I immediately went down a different aisle.  There was
something wrong with her and it had nothing to do with Covid-19.

She is right up there with mine. I would not be surprised if she is also
one of those who takes her dog into grocery stores and restaurants and
claims it to be a service dog.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:19:42 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Jill McQuown
When the whole social distancing, lock down and mask thing started
people still needed to be able to go out and buy food.  Publix had every
other aisle marked like one way streets.  This was to avoid having
people meeting in the middle the aisles while perusing the shelves.
There were markers on the floors requesting people please stay 6 feet
apart.  Masks were mandatory unless you had some special medical
dispensation (e.g. breathing problems) for not wearing one.  There was a
"Medically Exempt from Mask!"  She kept walking right up to people,
trying to talk to them.  When I saw her doing this, if I saw her heading
in my direction I immediately went down a different aisle.  There was
something wrong with her and it had nothing to do with Covid-19.

She is right up there with mine. I would not be surprised if she is also
one of those who takes her dog into grocery stores and restaurants and
claims it to be a service dog.

You're just jealous that people are allowed to take a service dog into
a store AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE YOUR DOG. That's all this is.
Can't you just be glad you don't need a service dog?

[Hank Rogers]

Post by Bruce
On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:19:42 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Jill McQuown
When the whole social distancing, lock down and mask thing started
people still needed to be able to go out and buy food.  Publix had every
other aisle marked like one way streets.  This was to avoid having
people meeting in the middle the aisles while perusing the shelves.
There were markers on the floors requesting people please stay 6 feet
apart.  Masks were mandatory unless you had some special medical
dispensation (e.g. breathing problems) for not wearing one.  There was a
"Medically Exempt from Mask!"  She kept walking right up to people,
trying to talk to them.  When I saw her doing this, if I saw her heading
in my direction I immediately went down a different aisle.  There was
something wrong with her and it had nothing to do with Covid-19.

She is right up there with mine. I would not be surprised if she is also
one of those who takes her dog into grocery stores and restaurants and
claims it to be a service dog.

You're just jealous that people are allowed to take a service dog into
a store AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE YOUR DOG. That's all this is.
Can't you just be glad you don't need a service dog?

Can't he just take megatron with him into stores?

[Bruce]

Post by Hank Rogers

Post by Bruce
On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:19:42 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Jill McQuown
When the whole social distancing, lock down and mask thing started
people still needed to be able to go out and buy food.  Publix had every
other aisle marked like one way streets.  This was to avoid having
people meeting in the middle the aisles while perusing the shelves.
There were markers on the floors requesting people please stay 6 feet
apart.  Masks were mandatory unless you had some special medical
dispensation (e.g. breathing problems) for not wearing one.  There was a
"Medically Exempt from Mask!"  She kept walking right up to people,
trying to talk to them.  When I saw her doing this, if I saw her heading
in my direction I immediately went down a different aisle.  There was
something wrong with her and it had nothing to do with Covid-19.

She is right up there with mine. I would not be surprised if she is also
one of those who takes her dog into grocery stores and restaurants and
claims it to be a service dog.

You're just jealous that people are allowed to take a service dog into
a store AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE YOUR DOG. That's all this is.
Can't you just be glad you don't need a service dog?

Can't he just take megatron with him into stores?

I don't know if she can be trusted not to bite.

[gm]

Post by Hank Rogers

Post by Bruce
On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:19:42 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Jill McQuown
When the whole social distancing, lock down and mask thing started
people still needed to be able to go out and buy food.  Publix had
every
other aisle marked like one way streets.  This was to avoid having
people meeting in the middle the aisles while perusing the shelves.
There were markers on the floors requesting people please stay 6 feet
apart.  Masks were mandatory unless you had some special medical
dispensation (e.g. breathing problems) for not wearing one.  There was
a
"Medically Exempt from Mask!"  She kept walking right up to people,
trying to talk to them.  When I saw her doing this, if I saw her
heading
in my direction I immediately went down a different aisle.  There was
something wrong with her and it had nothing to do with Covid-19.

She is right up there with mine. I would not be surprised if she is also
one of those who takes her dog into grocery stores and restaurants and
claims it to be a service dog.

You're just jealous that people are allowed to take a service dog into
a store AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE YOUR DOG. That's all this is.
Can't you just be glad you don't need a service dog?

Can't he just take megatron with him into stores?

Offiser Dave is ALMOST as "windy" as THE DONALD...

Or maybe even MORE so...!!!

Even HRH Jill had to "shush" him in another thread when he started
gasbagging on about how COVID drove him away from his daily pickleball
tournaments...

Maybe they should both participate in a "WHO can talk LONGER" contest,
lol...

--
GM

--

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Bruce
You're just jealous that people are allowed to take a service dog into
a store AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE YOUR DOG. That's all this is.
Can't you just be glad you don't need a service dog?

Do you really think no one abuses the concept of "service dog"?

How about the emotional support peacock?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42880690

[Bruce]

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 09:29:27 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Bruce
You're just jealous that people are allowed to take a service dog into
a store AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE YOUR DOG. That's all this is.
Can't you just be glad you don't need a service dog?

Do you really think no one abuses the concept of "service dog"?
How about the emotional support peacock?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42880690

I'll fly to the other side of the world if I have to, but I don't like
it very much. I look forward to choosing my support animal for air
travel. I'm thinking platypus.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 09:29:27 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Bruce
You're just jealous that people are allowed to take a service dog into
a store AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE YOUR DOG. That's all this is.
Can't you just be glad you don't need a service dog?

Do you really think no one abuses the concept of "service dog"?
How about the emotional support peacock?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42880690

I'll fly to the other side of the world if I have to, but I don't like
it very much. I look forward to choosing my support animal for air
travel. I'm thinking platypus.

Nasty. If it's a male, mind the claws.

[Janet]

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Dave Smith
I had a strange encounter with an old lady coming out of a grocery
store. It was before the mask mandate but I was socially distancing.
There was a bunch of people coming out of the store and I kept my
distance. This old lady wearing a mask went out of her way way confront
me. She stopped right in front on me and pulled her mask down and then
said "I am wearing this mask to protect you. You should be wearing one
to protect others".  She did not get the response she was likely
expecting. I asked "Are you fucking nuts?"  and pointed out that I had
been socially distanced, that she approached me, pulled her mask down
and was talking right into my face.

When the whole social distancing, lock down and mask thing started
people still needed to be able to go out and buy food.

Here,the immediate community response was to organise
free personal shopping to anyone who could not leave the
home/"sheltering" or use a supermarket. Ours ran on Next
Door (local info app).

J and I were in total isolation on the mainland. His
ongoing cancer treatment side effects left his lowered
immune system very vulnerable and no way could either of
us risk infection.

A lady we had never met did a couple of supermarket shops
for us until our supermarket got its online shopping
system up and running. We used online shopping until
lockdowns ended (and J was fully recovered).

Meanwhile I got a frantic long distance phone call from a
vulnerable elderly friend on the island, who is too
technically challenged to use her computer. She'd run out
of food. She recited her shopping list to me over the
phone. I telephoned her local supermarket and asked the
manager to make up the order I read out and get it
delivered by taxi; all on my card.

The manager replied "Oh, no worry about paying; she's a
regular customer. Leave it with me, I'll sort everything
out". She made up the order, personally delivered it to
friend's home and told her "I'm arranging a local
volunteer to do your shopping from now on, they'll be in
touch. Just phone in your order and pay over the phone on
delivery. No charge."

That supermarket manager was later awarded a medal in
the Queen's Birthay Honours list, for her exceptional
services to community during covid.

<https://tinyurl.com/r5pjzfsd>

Janet UK

[Ed P]

Post by Janet
Meanwhile I got a frantic long distance phone call from a
vulnerable elderly friend on the island, who is too
technically challenged to use her computer. She'd run out
of food. She recited her shopping list to me over the
phone. I telephoned her local supermarket and asked the
manager to make up the order I read out and get it
delivered by taxi; all on my card.
The manager replied "Oh, no worry about paying; she's a
regular customer. Leave it with me, I'll sort everything
out". She made up the order, personally delivered it to
friend's home and told her "I'm arranging a local
volunteer to do your shopping from now on, they'll be in
touch. Just phone in your order and pay over the phone on
delivery. No charge."
That supermarket manager was later awarded a medal in
the Queen's Birthay Honours list, for her exceptional
services to community during covid.
<https://tinyurl.com/r5pjzfsd>
Janet UK

Quite a story. Yes, she deserves a medal.

[songbird]

Dave Smith wrote:
...

Post by Dave Smith
the whole world. It seems that a number of serious viruses seem to
originate in China.

uh, yes, and Africa and Europe and the Middle East and...

Post by Dave Smith
The most recent news seems to suggest that did come
from a lab in Wuhan but they don't want to come right out and confront
them over it. And who can doubt the word of American intelligence
services? These are the guys who fed us the story about Saddam Hussein
having a vast arsenal of WMDs that justified an invasion of a country
half way around the world, and when they finally admitted that they had
not found any the story changed and it had been about regime change all
along.

the evidence does not support that conclusion. scientists
were there and took samples and when tested they supported the
fact that the spread of the virus was from the market. it may
have been in circulation some other place before it got to the
market, but we have no evidence of that that scientist know of.


songbird

[Dave Smith]

Post by songbird
...

Post by Dave Smith
the whole world. It seems that a number of serious viruses seem to
originate in China.

uh, yes, and Africa and Europe and the Middle East and...

Post by Dave Smith
The most recent news seems to suggest that did come
from a lab in Wuhan but they don't want to come right out and confront
them over it. And who can doubt the word of American intelligence
services? These are the guys who fed us the story about Saddam Hussein
having a vast arsenal of WMDs that justified an invasion of a country
half way around the world, and when they finally admitted that they had
not found any the story changed and it had been about regime change all
along.

the evidence does not support that conclusion.

Perhaps not, but the latest release said that is more likely that is
escaped from a lab than to have come from animals. But then there was
the disclaimer that they had low confidence in that.


scientists

Post by songbird
were there and took samples and when tested they supported the
fact that the spread of the virus was from the market. it may
have been in circulation some other place before it got to the
market, but we have no evidence of that that scientist know of.

And it is not as if there has not been lots of time to investigate.

[songbird]

Dave Smith wrote:
...

Post by Dave Smith
Perhaps not, but the latest release said that is more likely that is
escaped from a lab than to have come from animals. But then there was
the disclaimer that they had low confidence in that.

not according to everything i've seen so far. please post
a link to such "latest release"... likely it is BS.


songbird

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by songbird
...

Post by Dave Smith
Perhaps not, but the latest release said that is more likely that is
escaped from a lab than to have come from animals. But then there was
the disclaimer that they had low confidence in that.

not according to everything i've seen so far. please post
a link to such "latest release"... likely it is BS.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o

If you believe the CIA, which barely believes it either.

But the new CIA director released it anyway, since it
reinforces MAGA beliefs.

[D]

Post by songbird
...

Post by Dave Smith
the whole world. It seems that a number of serious viruses seem to
originate in China.

uh, yes, and Africa and Europe and the Middle East and...

Post by Dave Smith
The most recent news seems to suggest that did come
from a lab in Wuhan but they don't want to come right out and confront
them over it. And who can doubt the word of American intelligence
services? These are the guys who fed us the story about Saddam Hussein
having a vast arsenal of WMDs that justified an invasion of a country
half way around the world, and when they finally admitted that they had
not found any the story changed and it had been about regime change all
along.

the evidence does not support that conclusion. scientists
were there and took samples and when tested they supported the
fact that the spread of the virus was from the market. it may
have been in circulation some other place before it got to the
market, but we have no evidence of that that scientist know of.

You forget that the scientists were blocked from entering china for 2-3
weeks if not more so that china could hide the evidence.

Therefore china is guilty. CIA knows it, Trump knows it, I know it, and
now you know it.

Stop protecting china. They are evil.

Post by songbird
songbird

[gm]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Dave Smith
The funeral stuff was done the first week of March 2020. Our niece
worked for our intelligence agency and there were a lot of her
co-workers there. Who knows where those people had been travelling at a
time when we were hearing more and more about this epidemic that was
sweeping the world. We made it back home in food time and a week later
they shut down the border for all but essential travel.

I credit March 15, 2020 as the start of the covid panic. Things got much
worse from there, but that's the first time that my usual grocery store
looked like a morgue with very little on the shelves.

Post by Dave Smith
It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the facility
manager came in and told us we had to leave the building. They had no
idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4 weeks. it was a
lot longer than that.

Many credit rules and regulations, passed with little idea of the
pathogen, and based on anecdotal thoughts from previous, very old health
scares, as saving millions of lives.
In fact, no one has any idea of the lives saved by rules, regulations and
the vaccinations. "A new study shows", means nothing.
What is known is that the panic completely destroyed many, many jobs and
the American economy. Just look around you. It ain't back yet.
And for the hell of it, this covid was created in a gain-of-function lab
in Wuhan, China. Any other explanation is ridiculous, ass-covering,
nonsense.
Thoughts? Rebuttals?
I'm a sensitive guy. If you're too mean, I may cry. :(

Do you think that Dr. "Evil" Fauci should undergo a public "show
trial"...???

B-)

--
GM

--

[Ed P]

Post by gm
Do you think that Dr. "Evil" Fauci should undergo a public "show
trial"...???
B-)
--
GM

Would make terrible theater. Most people that challenge him are
politicians or barely made it out of high school and think they know
better.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by gm
Do you think that Dr. "Evil" Fauci should undergo a public "show
trial"...???

Nah. Like nearly every highly paid government employee, he didn't know
what he was doing. He funded gain-of-function research, because he was
curious. The Chinese appreciated his taxpayer contributions.
Trump used him and Birx, because they were all he had, and they were
supposed to know something. They didn't.
In all fairness, covid was new, but they should have said that research
was ongoing, and they would get back to us. Instead, rules and
regulations were hastily enacted and embraced by the Biden
administration to the max. We're still suffering.
Until the last four years, I thought "show trials" were a grim fact of
communist history and impossible here. I was wrong.
All we need is unbiased honesty in the media. I'm knocking on 80 and
haven't seen it yet.

leo

[Bruce]

On 28 Jan 2025 06:59:49 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by gm
Do you think that Dr. "Evil" Fauci should undergo a public "show
trial"...???

Nah. Like nearly every highly paid government employee, he didn't know
what he was doing. He funded gain-of-function research, because he was
curious. The Chinese appreciated his taxpayer contributions.
Trump used him and Birx, because they were all he had, and they were
supposed to know something. They didn't.
In all fairness, covid was new, but they should have said that research
was ongoing, and they would get back to us. Instead, rules and
regulations were hastily enacted and embraced by the Biden
administration to the max. We're still suffering.
Until the last four years, I thought "show trials" were a grim fact of
communist history and impossible here. I was wrong.
All we need is unbiased honesty in the media. I'm knocking on 80 and
haven't seen it yet.

Governments had to act quickly. They couldn't afford to wait until
scientists had figured it all out. They still haven't.

[Ed P]

Post by Bruce
Governments had to act quickly. They couldn't afford to wait until
scientists had figured it all out. They still haven't.

A relative says he won't get the vaccine because it has not been proven
for a few years yet. Him, and his wife, both had Covid twice.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Ed P

Post by Bruce
Governments had to act quickly. They couldn't afford to wait until
scientists had figured it all out. They still haven't.

A relative says he won't get the vaccine because it has not been proven
for a few years yet.  Him, and his wife, both had Covid twice.

Sounds like an anti vaxxer I knew. I was planning to get the Shingles
vaccine and he urged me not to because vaccines are dangerous. I told
him I knew too many people who had had Shingles and how bad it was. He
knew how bad it is. He had his wife had both had it. Here I am pushing
9 years since my first Shingles vaccination and I have not had it. Nor
do I think I have had any vaccine related problems. I got Covid last
year despite having had the full schedule of shots against it, but it
was a mild case.

[Bruce]

Post by Ed P

Post by Bruce
Governments had to act quickly. They couldn't afford to wait until
scientists had figured it all out. They still haven't.

A relative says he won't get the vaccine because it has not been proven
for a few years yet. Him, and his wife, both had Covid twice.

It was quite threatening. Nobody could say for sure that they'd
survive covid if they got it. That will make people take vaccinations
that haven't been tested as well as normal.

I remember New York ambulances lined up outside a hospital, all with a
deceased person in them, waiting for room inside the hospital so they
could hand over the body. As a governor or president or whatever,
you're not going to wait for more research for a couple of years, in a
situation like that.

[Graham]

Post by Ed P

Post by Bruce
Governments had to act quickly. They couldn't afford to wait until
scientists had figured it all out. They still haven't.

A relative says he won't get the vaccine because it has not been proven
for a few years yet.

The multi-millions of covid jabs give the lie to that silly statement.
Proving a new vaccine under normal circumstances would involve only a
few thousand at most.

[D]

Post by Graham

Post by Bruce
Governments had to act quickly. They couldn't afford to wait until
scientists had figured it all out. They still haven't.

A relative says he won't get the vaccine because it has not been proven for
a few years yet.

The multi-millions of covid jabs give the lie to that silly statement.
Proving a new vaccine under normal circumstances would involve only a
few thousand at most.

Incorrect statement. It would depend on the relatives definition of "a few
years". In theory, it is completely possible for all corona vaccine fans
to suddenly die of cancer or some other horrible thing caused by the
vaccine. What is the probability? Don't ask me!

[gm]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by gm
Do you think that Dr. "Evil" Fauci should undergo a public "show
trial"...???

Nah. Like nearly every highly paid government employee, he didn't know
what he was doing. He funded gain-of-function research, because he was
curious. The Chinese appreciated his taxpayer contributions.
Trump used him and Birx, because they were all he had, and they were
supposed to know something. They didn't.
In all fairness, covid was new, but they should have said that research
was ongoing, and they would get back to us. Instead, rules and
regulations were hastily enacted and embraced by the Biden
administration to the max. We're still suffering.
Until the last four years, I thought "show trials" were a grim fact of
communist history and impossible here. I was wrong.
All we need is unbiased honesty in the media. I'm knocking on 80 and
haven't seen it yet.

:-D

BTW, Leo, I just dropped my long - time online subs to the NY Times (and
also NY Magazine)...

They've been rabidly anti - Trump for ten years, but I always thought
that it's "healthy" to see what the "opposition" thinks...

However, they've "gone off the rails" since Trump's election...

Reading them is like being around extremely ill lunatics, I've "had
enough"...

Their supercilious anti - Trump screeds are similar tothe Soviet rants
against "kulaks" in the 1920's = 1930's, or the raving East German
communist leadership who justifed the building of the 1961 Berlin Wall
by calling it an "Anti - Fascist Barrier" to deter a NATO "invasion"
from West Berlin (WB had about 12K Allied troops stationed, the Red Army
had about a half - million troops stationed in the vicinity of Berlin,
LOL...!!!)...

I am a former lib democrat, and even wanted Bernie in 2016... I thought
Trump was a joke in 2015, BUT THEN...!!!

This election is - hopefully! - a sea change to reverse the "Deep State"
that FDR started over 90 years ago...

After I "turned conservative", I thought that Reagan was the greatest
20th century President, but now Trump is in the race for that moniker...
we shall see...!!!

Trump's only been in a WEEK, but his pace is ASTONISHING - and at the
age of 78...

Biden is receding into VERY distant memory...

Anyways, at the age of 71, I feel "happy" again about our country....
the last four years sent me into a clinical depression of sorts...

;-D

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GM

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[D]

Post by gm

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Dave Smith
The funeral stuff was done the first week of March 2020. Our niece
worked for our intelligence agency and there were a lot of her
co-workers there. Who knows where those people had been travelling at a
time when we were hearing more and more about this epidemic that was
sweeping the world. We made it back home in food time and a week later
they shut down the border for all but essential travel.

I credit March 15, 2020 as the start of the covid panic. Things got much
worse from there, but that's the first time that my usual grocery store
looked like a morgue with very little on the shelves.

Post by Dave Smith
It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the facility
manager came in and told us we had to leave the building. They had no
idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4 weeks. it was a
lot longer than that.

Many credit rules and regulations, passed with little idea of the
pathogen, and based on anecdotal thoughts from previous, very old health
scares, as saving millions of lives.
In fact, no one has any idea of the lives saved by rules, regulations and
the vaccinations. "A new study shows", means nothing.
What is known is that the panic completely destroyed many, many jobs and
the American economy. Just look around you. It ain't back yet.
And for the hell of it, this covid was created in a gain-of-function lab
in Wuhan, China. Any other explanation is ridiculous, ass-covering,
nonsense.
Thoughts? Rebuttals?
I'm a sensitive guy. If you're too mean, I may cry. :(

Do you think that Dr. "Evil" Fauci should undergo a public "show
trial"...???
B-)
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GM
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That would be amazing! I wonder if it will be life in prison, or
deportation? Do you think he will be sent to haiti? Or amybe cuba will
take him?

[Mike Duffy]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Thoughts? Rebuttals?

You may (or may not as even you admit) be correct.

Notwithstanding your accuracy, the whole experience
was indeed a valuable exercise for possible future
outbreaks of new or exising extrememly virulent and
deadly diseases of which we are already rightly
terrified. (Ebola, Marburg &c.)

All it will take is a close encounter between
a legal or illegal 'bush' hunter who gets
scratched, bitten, spit on, &c by any
animal or maybe even plant with an unknown
pathogen. It might even be something that
spreads quickly throughout the populace
with only minor symptoms, but then kills
surely & completely after a few months.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Mike Duffy

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Thoughts? Rebuttals?

You may (or may not as even you admit) be correct.
Notwithstanding your accuracy, the whole experience
was indeed a valuable exercise for possible future
outbreaks of new or exising extrememly virulent and
deadly diseases of which we are already rightly
terrified. (Ebola, Marburg &c.)
All it will take is a close encounter between
a legal or illegal 'bush' hunter who gets
scratched, bitten, spit on, &c by any
animal or maybe even plant with an unknown
pathogen. It might even be something that
spreads quickly throughout the populace
with only minor symptoms, but then kills
surely & completely after a few months.

That's what makes life interesting. Let me live it. The good news is
that even if I croak from the myriad dangers in this world, and even if
there is a nuclear holocaust, some will survive.
Genetics are all that count. Then, we can start again without all this
societal nonsense. We need a reboot, one way or another.
Except for rfc! We're perfect, as is.

[Bruce]

On 28 Jan 2025 07:14:24 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
That's what makes life interesting. Let me live it. The good news is
that even if I croak from the myriad dangers in this world, and even if
there is a nuclear holocaust, some will survive.
Genetics are all that count. Then, we can start again without all this
societal nonsense. We need a reboot, one way or another.
Except for rfc! We're perfect, as is.

Didn't you once say that genetics are more important than lifestyle
for estimating life expectancy? I asked my artificial friend this and
they say that genetics = 20-30% importance and lifestyle = 70-80%.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Bruce
Didn't you once say that genetics are more important than lifestyle
for estimating life expectancy? I asked my artificial friend this and
they say that genetics = 20-30% importance and lifestyle = 70-80%.

That's why AI needs a lot more work. I do agree that if you're a killer
or an idiot, death may come quickly. Again...genetics.
Bad papa or bad mama leads to bad behavior? Still, genetics.

[Mike Duffy]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Didn't you once say that genetics are more important than lifestyle
for estimating life expectancy? I asked my artificial friend this and
they say that genetics = 20-30% importance and lifestyle = 70-80%.

That's why AI needs a lot more work. I do agree that if you're a killer
or an idiot, death may come quickly. Again...genetics.
Bad papa or bad mama leads to bad behavior? Still, genetics.

You are both forgetting luck. Admittedly imaginary constructs, luck,
karma, 'response' to prayer, &c can have an immense effect on an
individual despite having a net zero sum on everyone.

It's better to make sacrifices to prudence & patience.

[Bruce]

On 28 Jan 2025 11:23:31 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Didn't you once say that genetics are more important than lifestyle
for estimating life expectancy? I asked my artificial friend this and
they say that genetics = 20-30% importance and lifestyle = 70-80%.

That's why AI needs a lot more work.

Until they agree with you, right? The same applies to scientists. They
have to keep reworking their science until their findings are what Leo
Blaisdell wants to hear.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Didn't you once say that genetics are more important than lifestyle
for estimating life expectancy? I asked my artificial friend this and
they say that genetics = 20-30% importance and lifestyle = 70-80%.

That's why AI needs a lot more work. I do agree that if you're a killer
or an idiot, death may come quickly. Again...genetics.
Bad papa or bad mama leads to bad behavior? Still, genetics.

So everyone who is bad was born bad. And everyone who is good was
born good.

No point teaching any kind of ethics or morals then.

[D]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Mike Duffy

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Thoughts? Rebuttals?

You may (or may not as even you admit) be correct.
Notwithstanding your accuracy, the whole experience
was indeed a valuable exercise for possible future
outbreaks of new or exising extrememly virulent and
deadly diseases of which we are already rightly
terrified. (Ebola, Marburg &c.)
All it will take is a close encounter between
a legal or illegal 'bush' hunter who gets
scratched, bitten, spit on, &c by any
animal or maybe even plant with an unknown
pathogen. It might even be something that
spreads quickly throughout the populace
with only minor symptoms, but then kills
surely & completely after a few months.

That's what makes life interesting. Let me live it. The good news is
that even if I croak from the myriad dangers in this world, and even if
there is a nuclear holocaust, some will survive.
Genetics are all that count. Then, we can start again without all this
societal nonsense. We need a reboot, one way or another.
Except for rfc! We're perfect, as is.

This is the truth! I think we're safe to concluce that rfc does represent
a kind of master race! Oh what a world, if only it could be based on the
precedent of rfc! =D

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
That's what makes life interesting. Let me live it.

Packing like sardines into public venues is living your life?

You have so little of your life left (relatively speaking), that
it wouldn't matter if it were cut short. Someone who has small
children at home might differ in their opinion.

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
The good news is
that even if I croak from the myriad dangers in this world, and even if
there is a nuclear holocaust, some will survive.
Genetics are all that count. Then, we can start again without all this
societal nonsense.

Dog-eat-dog anarchy is what you're striving for?

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
We need a reboot, one way or another.

We certainly need a reboot to get rid of deplorables.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Dave Smith
The funeral stuff was done the first week of March 2020. Our niece
worked for our intelligence agency and there were a lot of her
co-workers there. Who knows where those people had been travelling at a
time when we were hearing more and more about this epidemic that was
sweeping the world. We made it back home in food time and a week later
they shut down the border for all but essential travel.

I credit March 15, 2020 as the start of the covid panic. Things got much
worse from there, but that's the first time that my usual grocery store
looked like a morgue with very little on the shelves.

Post by Dave Smith
It's a good thing we didn't have an experience like we had playing
pickelball at the Y. We were in the middle of a game when the facility
manager came in and told us we had to leave the building. They had no
idea when it would reopen but thought it would be 3-4 weeks. it was a
lot longer than that.

Many credit rules and regulations, passed with little idea of the
pathogen, and based on anecdotal thoughts from previous, very old health
scares, as saving millions of lives.
In fact, no one has any idea of the lives saved by rules, regulations and
the vaccinations.

You don't think epidemiologists have performed comparative
studies on those factors?

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
"A new study shows", means nothing.
What is known is that the panic completely destroyed many, many jobs and
the American economy.

Unemployment is about where it was in 2019.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

[Carol]

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Dave Smith

Worcestershire would improve it.  I think a can of black beans
would balance it (no summer squash at all!).  Pork broth
seasoning would be a good addition.

Sorry Carol, but I would throw out the recipe completely. Whenever I
see a recipe call for something pre-made, boxed, or canned, I
typically just skip on by. A good Filipino Adobo recipe would work
for "pork stew".

Yeah on tossing the recipe (groups.io has boners at times) but 'canned'
isn't bad. Canned tomatoes, and beans (sometimes) work and
texture-wise, canned corn can match up better than frozen in long
cooking recipes meant to survive 3 days in a crockpot (something you
have to try to believe).

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Dave Smith
If I were going to make a pork stew I think I would aim for
something like goulash. There is also a Brazilian black bean and
pork stew. Feijoada.

I've never heard of it, but that sure sounds good. Something like this?

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/139208/feijoada-brazilian-black-bean-stew/

Same recipe I pulled up. From the comments I can see there are other
recipes like it. I'll hunt later to see what 'new to me' things show
up. Hey, I like to play with my food! (grin).

[Carol]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Carol

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels
missing in the spices but can't seem to narrow in on it.
Mushrooms aare missing too but easily added in. Also needs
more garlic than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3
small red potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and
stewed tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as
needed. Last 10 minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and
cumin. Serve with salad and warmed flour tortillas. Serves
4.

It doesn't sound at all appealing.
Jill

Yeah, everyone else is saying 'yes' but they are just being
nice. The canned potatoes are the worst. Something not
matching with the squash.
I'm thinking potatoes and carrots and lots of mushrooms. Cumin
would be ok, but not alone.

The squash would turn to mush and not contribute anything.
Overall, the recipe simply doesn't sound good.
Jill

Yes, that's it and the potatoes need to be Yukon or reds.
Worcestershire would improve it. I think a can of black beans would
balance it (no summer squash at all!). Pork broth seasoning would
be a good addition.

If I were going to make a pork stew I think I would aim for something
like goulash. There is also a Brazilian black bean and pork stew.
Feijoada. FWIW, it was almost 5 years ago now that we came back from
Ottawa by way of NY state and stopped in the small town of Pulaski.
We had our doubts when we went in but it was the only place around
and it was getting late on a Sunday night. I had their Brazilian
style roasted pork which involved a lot of vinegar. Our son had the
Feijoda. Since he knew about the dish, was keen on it and it was
getting close to closing time they gave him a huge portion and gave
me some to try. Really good. This would suite your low meat diet.

I like the looks of
<https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/139208/feijoada-brazilian-black-bean-stew/>

It's a stew but not exactly a pork steak stew. Reading the comments
clarifies it a lot and seems there's other types that combine pork
sausage and stew cut with a trotter. I think it bears the same name,
just a version difference.

Goulash would fit well also! I make that sometimes but no set recipe
to mine.

I have 1/2lb stew cut pork butt and am looking about at recipes to play
with. I have several pork sausage types.

Thanks Dave!

[D]

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing in the
spices but can't seem to narrow in on it. Mushrooms aare missing too
but easily added in. Also needs more garlic than that.
Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3 small red
potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed. Last 10
minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with salad and warmed
flour tortillas. Serves 4.

Looks good. Canned potatoes? Didn't even know that was a thing! I'd go
with regular and dump the squash. Might add some kind of broth for
more flavour.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing in the
spices but can't seem to narrow in on it. Mushrooms aare missing too
but easily added in. Also needs more garlic than that.

This looks like a weak recipe for Mexican pork and potato stew.

Browned tomato paste (for depth of flavor)
Chiles (even mild ones like ancho) or smoked paprika
Stock instead of water
Wine
Beans
Sausage, like smoked kielbasa
Acid (lemon or lime juice or vinegar), added just before serving
Something fresh to finish, like green onion or cilantro

Post by Carol
Worst though is canned potatoes? EEK! Lets go fresh, 3 small red
potatoes works.
PORK STEAK STEW
1 lb. pork steak, in small pieces
1 large onion, chopped
2 tbsp. oil
2 small yellow or green squash, chopped
1 can (1 lb.) potatoes, sliced
1 can (1 lb.) stewed tomatoes
Salt & pepper to taste
1 clove garlic
1 tsp. cumin powder
Water
Brown pork steak in oil. Add onions, squash, potatoes and stewed
tomatoes.
Cover and simmer 1 hour, adding small amount of water as needed. Last 10
minutes add salt, pepper, garlic and cumin. Serve with salad and warmed
flour tortillas. Serves 4.

[The CheeseMongrel]

Post by Carol
Hi, this came across from groups.io. Something feels missing in the
spices but can't seem to narrow in on it.

Ooh! OOOH! OOOOOH! .... Curry Powder!!!