O.T. --- Just a Random Thought --- 10/26/2024

[ItsJoanNotJoAnn]

As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.) This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.

No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

[Bruce]

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)

It happens to the best of us.

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Bruce

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)

It happens to the best of us.

There ain't no best in you dickwad.

You die and earth heals.

[Dave Smith]

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)  This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

I have to admit that I had not been taking that much notice of early
sunset. Ironically, I have been more aware of the later sunrise. Having
been retired for many years I wake up when I feel like it, or when the
sun wakes me up. In June the sun is up and the birds chirping way to
early in the morning. Lately I been awakened by my old man bladder and
it seems to strange to realize it is close to 7am and still very dark
outside.


There have been times when I have really noticed the late sunset. The
first was when I was visiting friends in mid July near Vancouver and we
went for a walk along the beach around 9:30 - 10:pm and the sun was
still up. Back home it would have been dark by about 9 pm.
The other time was when we were in Scandinavia in mid June. We started
off visiting our niece in Estonia and the sky was still bright at 11:30
pm, and I had been up for about 24 hours. A week later we celebrateed
Midsommer with friends in Sweden.The sun dipped below the horizon around
midnight and was back up a few minutes later.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:20:58 -0400, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)  This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

I have to admit that I had not been taking that much notice of early
sunset. Ironically, I have been more aware of the later sunrise.

Thanks, Dave. Good to know.

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Dave Smith
I have been more aware of the later sunrise.

You are old and sunset is your due

[gm]

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.) This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

I love Autumn, and it has been a spectacular October, may reach 80 next
week...

And I love the time change...

Having a warming bowl right now of beanz 'n weenies, orange sherbet
later...

Tomorrow making snausage 'n chicken gumbo in the crockpot, there will be
plenty to freeze...

--
GM

[Bruce]

Post by gm

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.) This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

I love Autumn, and it has been a spectacular October, may reach 80 next
week...
And I love the time change...
Having a warming bowl right now of beanz 'n weenies, orange sherbet
later...
Tomorrow making snausage 'n chicken gumbo in the crockpot, there will be
plenty to freeze...

A completely sane post from the creepy troll, only to you Joan. Now
you have no choice but to reply in a friendly manner. We're all
waiting for it.

[Hank Rogers]

Post by Bruce

Post by gm

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.) This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

I love Autumn, and it has been a spectacular October, may reach 80 next
week...
And I love the time change...
Having a warming bowl right now of beanz 'n weenies, orange sherbet
later...
Tomorrow making snausage 'n chicken gumbo in the crockpot, there will be
plenty to freeze...

A completely sane post from the creepy troll, only to you Joan. Now
you have no choice but to reply in a friendly manner. We're all
waiting for it.

Man after he digests that gumbo, you'll be a sniffin, Master!

[gm]

Post by Hank Rogers

Post by Bruce

Post by gm

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.) This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

I love Autumn, and it has been a spectacular October, may reach 80 next
week...
And I love the time change...
Having a warming bowl right now of beanz 'n weenies, orange sherbet
later...
Tomorrow making snausage 'n chicken gumbo in the crockpot, there will be
plenty to freeze...

A completely sane post from the creepy troll, only to you Joan. Now
you have no choice but to reply in a friendly manner. We're all
waiting for it.

Man after he digests that gumbo, you'll be a sniffin, Master!

"master" is so clinging and desperate and deranged that in her
"confusion" she'd fuck up a two - car funeral procession, lol...

--
GM

[Mike Duffy]

Post by gm
"master" is so clinging and desperate and deranged that in her
"confusion" she'd fuck up a two - car funeral procession, lol...

It happens to the best of us. I had the lead hearse run into me
at a stop light beause I had already started but the girl on the
motorcycle ahead of me stalled her engine so I had to stop abrupty
not to injure her, and the hearse driver was not paying attention.

I got out and looked at the dent in my hatch door. Then I looked
at all the cars behind him and just said to the driver:
"Fuck it. Have a nice day."

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Bruce
We're all
waiting for it.

Your death?

Yes, with eagerness.

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by gm
I love Autumn, and it has been a spectacular October, may reach 80 next
week...
And I love the time change...

God loves you.

[D]

Post by gm

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.) This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

I love Autumn, and it has been a spectacular October, may reach 80 next
week...
And I love the time change...
Having a warming bowl right now of beanz 'n weenies, orange sherbet
later...
Tomorrow making snausage 'n chicken gumbo in the crockpot, there will be
plenty to freeze...
--
GM

The goal for tonight is Sjömansbiff. Should last at least 2-3 days which
is great!

https://foodbydrygast.com/en/recipe/sjomansbiff_slow_cooker .

[gm]

The goal for tonight is Sjömansbiff. Should last at least 2-3 days which

is great!

https://foodbydrygast.com/en/recipe/sjomansbiff_slow_cooker


Looks good, recipe saved for me to try later, thanks!

😍

--
GM

[D]

Post by D

Post by D
The goal for tonight is Sjömansbiff. Should last at least 2-3 days which

is great!
https://foodbydrygast.com/en/recipe/sjomansbiff_slow_cooker
Looks good, recipe saved for me to try later, thanks!
😍
--
GM

You're welcome! Let me know how it went. =) Here the result was excellent!
Hopefully it will last for 2 more days!

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.) This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.

Thank God. Although I could use some evening darkness in June
more than in November.

What difference does the weekend make?

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

It's often cloudy here. Only 178 days per year are fully sunny.
Last January we saw the sun on two days.

[jmcquown]

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)  This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense. Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do
with the conservation of the use of candles. Others seem to think it
had to do with farmers. Or conservation of energy during WWI. It
didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966. (A few States and
U.S. territories are excepted.) What's the point? Pick a time and
stick with it!

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)  This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense. Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do
with the conservation of the use of candles. Others seem to think it
had to do with farmers. Or conservation of energy during WWI. It
didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966. (A few States and
U.S. territories are excepted.) What's the point? Pick a time and
stick with it!

It has nothing to do with farmers. They hate DST.

The evening entertainment lobby wants DST. Those of us who live
near the western end of a time zone want standard time. There
must be enough people on each side of the decision to keep
Congress in a constant state of inaction.

[jmcquown]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)  This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense. Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do
with the conservation of the use of candles. Others seem to think it
had to do with farmers. Or conservation of energy during WWI. It
didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966. (A few States and
U.S. territories are excepted.) What's the point? Pick a time and
stick with it!

It has nothing to do with farmers. They hate DST.
The evening entertainment lobby wants DST. Those of us who live
near the western end of a time zone want standard time. There
must be enough people on each side of the decision to keep
Congress in a constant state of inaction.

I don't actually care which one it is, just pick one and stick with it.
Everyone will have to adapt just like they did with the changing back
and forth when it was implemented.

Jill

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by jmcquown
I don't actually care which one it is, just pick one and stick with it.
Everyone will have to adapt just like they did with the changing back
and forth when it was implemented.
Jill

Answer: ARIDZONA

Ya gripey old grump.

[Carol]

jmcquown wrote:

On DST

Post by jmcquown
I don't actually care which one it is, just pick one and stick with
it. Everyone will have to adapt just like they did with the changing
back and forth when it was implemented.
Jill

Agreed.

[Ed P]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)  This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense. Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do
with the conservation of the use of candles. Others seem to think it
had to do with farmers. Or conservation of energy during WWI. It
didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966. (A few States and
U.S. territories are excepted.) What's the point? Pick a time and
stick with it!

It has nothing to do with farmers. They hate DST.
The evening entertainment lobby wants DST. Those of us who live
near the western end of a time zone want standard time. There
must be enough people on each side of the decision to keep
Congress in a constant state of inaction.

There are bills floating around Congress for a couple of years. I think
they are afraid to act. No matter the final choice, a lot of people
will be pissed off by it.

Our sunset here is about an hour later than in CT, I like that.

[Dave Smith]

There are bills floating around Congress for a couple of years.  I think
they are afraid to act.  No matter the final choice, a lot of people
will be pissed off by it.
Our sunset here is about an hour later than in CT, I like that.

That is not surprising when you are at the far west of a time zone and
comparing to a place at the eastern side of the same zone. The zones are
arbitrary lines but the actual sun up and sun down times are real time
events.

[Graham]

Post by jmcquown
Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense.  Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do
with the conservation of the use of candles.  Others seem to think it
had to do with farmers.  Or conservation of energy during WWI.  It
didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966.  (A few States and
U.S. territories are excepted.)  What's the point?  Pick a time and
stick with it!

It has nothing to do with farmers.  They hate DST.

Back in the late 60s, the UK switched to European time. Complaints
flooded in from parents having to send their kids to school in the
dark. The other major group of complainers were the farmers - but
they always find something to complain about.
So the Govt switched back to the old system.

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Graham
Back in the late 60s, the UK switched to European time.

Back in the 2000's the UK switched to Muzzi time.

Now they're fucked.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Graham

It has nothing to do with farmers.  They hate DST.

Back in the late 60s, the UK switched to European time. Complaints
flooded in from parents having to send their kids to school in the
dark. The other major group of complainers were the farmers - but
they always find something to complain about.
So the Govt switched back to the old system.

Heaven forbid the school boards could have simply started school an hour
later.
For some reason, North Americans seem to be aware of the effect of the
longer days in summer but not as much aware about the same phenomenon in
Europe, and that most of north western Europe lies north of most of the
US. As a result, they are even more affected by the longer days than we are.

I remember talking to a woman who had lived in Paris for a couple years
and was envious. She said it was nice in the summer but that in the
winter it was wet, cold and dark. As it turns out, Paris lies at about
the same latitude as Calgary. Lucky for them they get out winter
darkness but have milder winters.

[gm]

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)  This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense. Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do
with the conservation of the use of candles. Others seem to think it
had to do with farmers. Or conservation of energy during WWI. It
didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966. (A few States and
U.S. territories are excepted.) What's the point? Pick a time and
stick with it!
Jill

Why would *you* care... outside of bird - watching and posting to rfc,
it's not like you are especially "busy" doing anything, lol...

--
GM

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by gm

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)  This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense.  Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do
with the conservation of the use of candles.  Others seem to think it
had to do with farmers.  Or conservation of energy during WWI.  It
didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966.  (A few States and
U.S. territories are excepted.)  What's the point?  Pick a time and
stick with it!
Jill

Why would *you* care... outside of bird - watching and posting to rfc,
it's not like you are especially "busy" doing anything, lol...
--
GM

Hey now!

Bulling is a full time job you must agree.

[Dave Smith]

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense.  Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do
with the conservation of the use of candles.  Others seem to think it
had to do with farmers.  Or conservation of energy during WWI.  It
didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966.  (A few States and
U.S. territories are excepted.)  What's the point?  Pick a time and
stick with it!

The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of sense to
me. This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching her school bus
in the dark. The family will have lights on in the house to be able to
walk around. Next week it will be light out when she catches the bus.
They will need lighting later in the morning for a while and then they
will be using the lights in the late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

[jmcquown]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make
any sense.  Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having
to do with the conservation of the use of candles.  Others seem to
think it had to do with farmers.  Or conservation of energy during
WWI.  It didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966.  (A few
States and U.S. territories are excepted.)  What's the point?  Pick a
time and stick with it!

The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of sense to
me.

That notion came about during WWI in Germany.

Post by Dave Smith
This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching her school bus
in the dark. The family will have lights on in the house to be able to
walk around. Next week it will be light out when she catches the bus.
They will need lighting later in the morning for a while and then they
will be using the lights in the late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

Don't blame me. I'm not the person who claims it saves anything.

Jill

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by jmcquown
Don't blame me.

FOAD

[dsi1]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense.  Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do
with the conservation of the use of candles.  Others seem to think it
had to do with farmers.  Or conservation of energy during WWI.  It
didn't become a Federal law in the U.S. until 1966.  (A few States and
U.S. territories are excepted.)  What's the point?  Pick a time and
stick with it!

The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of sense to
me. This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching her school bus
in the dark. The family will have lights on in the house to be able to
walk around. Next week it will be light out when she catches the bus.
They will need lighting later in the morning for a while and then they
will be using the lights in the late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

DST is a curious thing that people on the mainland do. I don't
understand it either but it was certainly jarring the first time I
experienced it in California.

OTOH, we live closer to the equator so we're less affected by the
difference between the sun and the clocks. I wish we could operate with
just two times: sunrise and sunset. Actually, that's pretty much how I
operate most days.

[Dave Smith]

Post by dsi1

Post by Dave Smith
The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of sense to
me. This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching her school bus
in the dark. The family will have lights on in the house to be able to
walk around. Next week it will be light out when she catches the bus.
They will need lighting later in the morning for a while and then they
will be using the lights in the late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

DST is a curious thing that people on the mainland do. I don't
understand it either but it was certainly jarring the first time I
experienced it in California.
OTOH, we live closer to the equator so we're less affected by the
difference between the sun and the clocks. I wish we could operate with
just two times: sunrise and sunset. Actually, that's pretty much how I
operate most days.

There no is nothing to get wound up about if you are less affected by
sunshine hour shifts. As you travel north the change is magnified. In
the extreme north there is the midnight sun. Then there is the converse
of that, the middle of winter when there is almost no sunlight.

At my latitude the days are shortest in December. At the end of December
this year sunrise will be about 7:50 am and sunset will be 4:50 pm.
Back in June sunrise was 5:40 am and sunset was 9:01pm. That is 9 hours
of sunlight compared to more than 15 hours. That is a huge difference.

[dsi1]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by dsi1

Post by Dave Smith
The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of sense to
me. This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching her school bus
in the dark. The family will have lights on in the house to be able to
walk around. Next week it will be light out when she catches the bus.
They will need lighting later in the morning for a while and then they
will be using the lights in the late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

DST is a curious thing that people on the mainland do. I don't
understand it either but it was certainly jarring the first time I
experienced it in California.
OTOH, we live closer to the equator so we're less affected by the
difference between the sun and the clocks. I wish we could operate with
just two times: sunrise and sunset. Actually, that's pretty much how I
operate most days.

There no is nothing to get wound up about if you are less affected by
sunshine hour shifts. As you travel north the change is magnified. In
the extreme north there is the midnight sun. Then there is the converse
of that, the middle of winter when there is almost no sunlight.
At my latitude the days are shortest in December. At the end of December
this year sunrise will be about 7:50 am and sunset will be 4:50 pm.
Back in June sunrise was 5:40 am and sunset was 9:01pm. That is 9 hours
of sunlight compared to more than 15 hours. That is a huge difference.

Understood. At your latitude, the days are shortest in December. That's
the way it is in my latitude too. Of course, that's because we live in
the Northern hemisphere. For the Southern hemisphere folks, December
will have the longest days.

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Dave Smith
the middle of winter when there is almost no sunlight.

Canuckistan tears are usually frozen.

[Carol]

Post by dsi1

Post by Dave Smith

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't
make any sense.  Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin
Franklin having to do with the conservation of the use of
candles.  Others seem to think it had to do with farmers.  Or
conservation of energy during WWI.  It didn't become a Federal
law in the U.S. until 1966.  (A few States and U.S. territories
are excepted.)  What's the point?  Pick a time and stick with it!

The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching
her school bus in the dark. The family will have lights on in the
house to be able to walk around. Next week it will be light out
when she catches the bus. They will need lighting later in the
morning for a while and then they will be using the lights in the
late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

DST is a curious thing that people on the mainland do.

Actually, 40% of the world's countries use DST.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country

[Dave Smith]

Post by Carol

Post by dsi1

Post by Dave Smith

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't
make any sense.  Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin
Franklin having to do with the conservation of the use of
candles.  Others seem to think it had to do with farmers.  Or
conservation of energy during WWI.  It didn't become a Federal
law in the U.S. until 1966.  (A few States and U.S. territories
are excepted.)  What's the point?  Pick a time and stick with it!

The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching
her school bus in the dark. The family will have lights on in the
house to be able to walk around. Next week it will be light out
when she catches the bus. They will need lighting later in the
morning for a while and then they will be using the lights in the
late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

DST is a curious thing that people on the mainland do.

Actually, 40% of the world's countries use DST.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country

Your link indicates 50 countries use DST. There are 195 countries in the
world. That is more like 26%.

[Ed P]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Carol

Post by dsi1

Post by Dave Smith

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't
make any sense.  Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin
Franklin having to do with the conservation of the use of
candles.  Others seem to think it had to do with farmers.  Or
conservation of energy during WWI.  It didn't become a Federal
law in the U.S. until 1966.  (A few States and U.S. territories
are excepted.)  What's the point?  Pick a time and stick with it!

The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching
her school bus in the dark. The family will have lights on in the
house to be able to walk around. Next week it will be light out
when she catches the bus.  They will need lighting later in the
morning for a while and then they will be using the lights in the
late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

DST is a curious thing that people on the mainland do.

Actually, 40% of the world's countries use DST.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country

Your link indicates 50 countries use DST. There are 195 countries in the
world.  That is more like 26%.

How does that break down by population?

No matter what, if anything, Congress decides, many people will be
unhappy about it.

I like the daylight to the end of the day. In deep winter, I went to
work in the dark and came home in the dark, but eventually, a bit more
light coming home. Retired, I get up about 8AM and go to sleep close to
1AM.

I know plenty of people that start work at 6AM by preference. I
disliked getting in at 7, a typical time in much of New England, 7-3,
but when I was in Philadelphia, 8-4 was common for the shop, 9=5 for the
office.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Ed P

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Carol

Post by dsi1

Post by Dave Smith

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't
make any sense.  Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin
Franklin having to do with the conservation of the use of
candles.  Others seem to think it had to do with farmers.  Or
conservation of energy during WWI.  It didn't become a Federal
law in the U.S. until 1966.  (A few States and U.S. territories
are excepted.)  What's the point?  Pick a time and stick with it!

The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching
her school bus in the dark. The family will have lights on in the
house to be able to walk around. Next week it will be light out
when she catches the bus.  They will need lighting later in the
morning for a while and then they will be using the lights in the
late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

DST is a curious thing that people on the mainland do.

Actually, 40% of the world's countries use DST.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country

Your link indicates 50 countries use DST. There are 195 countries in
the world.  That is more like 26%.

How does that break down by population?

That's a good question. I will leave it to you to figure out. I was just
questioning the claim about the percentage of countries that use DST.

Post by Ed P
I know plenty of people that start work at 6AM by preference.  I
disliked gettingg in at 7, a typical time in much of New England, 7-3,
but when I was in Philadelphia, 8-4 was common for the shop, 9=5 for the
office.

I worked a compressed work week. In winter I went to work in the dark
and came home in the dark.

[Carol]

Post by Dave Smith
That's a good question. I will leave it to you to figure out. I was
just questioning the claim about the percentage of countries that use
DST.

Bing AI got me. I hate AI. Eitherway, it's not just USA and even we
have some states that don't follow it.

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Ed P
I know plenty of people that start work at 6AM by preference.  I
disliked gettingg in at 7, a typical time in much of New England,
7-3, but when I was in Philadelphia, 8-4 was common for the shop,
9=5 for the office.

I worked a compressed work week. In winter I went to work in the
dark and came home in the dark.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 19:21:36 -0000 (UTC), "Carol"

Post by Carol

Post by Dave Smith
That's a good question. I will leave it to you to figure out. I was
just questioning the claim about the percentage of countries that use
DST.

Bing AI got me. I hate AI.

They can be great and they can be useless. It's up to the human to see
the difference. If it's important, check everything they say.

[Ed P]

Post by Dave Smith
The idea of extending DST to save energy doesn't make a lot of sense to
me. This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching her school bus
in the dark. The family will have lights on in the house to be able to
walk around. Next week it will be light out when she catches the bus.
They will need lighting later in the morning for a while and then they
will be using the lights in the late afternoon. There is nothing saved.

It is daylight SAVING time. I save it all summer for a couple of years
and withdraw as needed. I have about 100 hours to use this winter.

It should really be called Daylight SHIFTING time.

[Citizen Winston Smith]

This week our neighbour's daughter will be catching her school bus in
the dark.

Canuckistan gets about 4 hours of sun a day in the winter, so maybe you
need 2 moons, ya gish galloping galoot.

[Mike Duffy]

What's the point? Pick a time and stick with it!

Agree. We should all go to UCT and be done with it.

Probably a good time (pun intended) for everyone to
go to 'date.fraction' time as well, i.e.

0.00 = Midnight UCT
0.25 = 06 AM UCT
0.50 = Noon UCT
0.75 = 06 PM UCT

Just add the fraction to the end of the date,
i.e. Haloween evening at 6:00 PM would be:

2024-10-31.750000 EST (0.75 for the 18/24 hours past midnight), or
2024-11-01.916666 because if you do not give a time zone, assume UCT,
so we need to add 4/24 = .166666 for the 4 hours between UCT and EST.

[gm]

Post by Mike Duffy

What's the point? Pick a time and stick with it!

Agree. We should all go to UCT and be done with it.
Probably a good time (pun intended) for everyone to
go to 'date.fraction' time as well, i.e.
0.00 = Midnight UCT
0.25 = 06 AM UCT
0.50 = Noon UCT
0.75 = 06 PM UCT
Just add the fraction to the end of the date,
2024-10-31.750000 EST (0.75 for the 18/24 hours past midnight), or
2024-11-01.916666 because if you do not give a time zone, assume UCT,
so we need to add 4/24 = .166666 for the 4 hours between UCT and EST.

Sorry, Mike, that has no more chance of becoming "popular" than
Esperanto...

--
GM

[Citizen Winston Smith]

What's the point?  Pick a time and stick with it!
Jill

Control freak v. daylight savings time.

Oh this will be an easy loss.

[D]

Post by jmcquown

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.)  This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day.  We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

Flip-flopping back and forth with the time twice a year doesn't make any
sense. Some think the idea dates back to Benjamin Franklin having to do with
the conservation of the use of candles. Others seem to think it had to do
with farmers. Or conservation of energy during WWI. It didn't become a
Federal law in the U.S. until 1966. (A few States and U.S. territories are
excepted.) What's the point? Pick a time and stick with it!
Jill

This is the truth! I couldn't care less if you pick summer or winter time.
Pick one and be done with it!

[Carol]

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.) This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

The shorter days overall affect me mostly. I can't drive well in the
dark now. Cataracts starting but holding off on the surgery until I
have medicare (combined with tricare fpr life = no bill).

On temps, already getting a bit cool so had the heat on some evenings.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Carol

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

The shorter days overall affect me mostly. I can't drive well in the
dark now. Cataracts starting but holding off on the surgery until I
have medicare (combined with tricare fpr life = no bill).

I have started finding night driving to be a problem. I have cataracts
developing in both eyes but I have a more serious issue with my right
eye and have almost no central vision so I can't usually see what I am
looking at. Peripheral vision is fine. I am going to have to have the
cataract done in my left eye done one of these days. They generally do
one eye and let it heal before they do the second one. I won't have a
good eye to rely on while the other recovers.

Post by Carol
On temps, already getting a bit cool so had the heat on some evenings.

We have had three nights in a row with heavy frost. The leaves have
changed colour and are falling like mad. I have to spend some time every
day raking, blowing and mulching them.

[ItsJoanNotJoAnn]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Carol
The shorter days overall affect me mostly. I can't drive well in the
dark now. Cataracts starting but holding off on the surgery until I
have medicare (combined with tricare fpr life = no bill).

I have started finding night driving to be a problem. I have cataracts
developing in both eyes but I have a more serious issue with my right
eye and have almost no central vision so I can't usually see what I am
looking at. Peripheral vision is fine. I am going to have to have the
cataract done in my left eye done one of these days. They generally do
one eye and let it heal before they do the second one. I won't have a
good eye to rely on while the other recovers.

They don't opt for the laser cataract surgery there in Canada?
With that, your vision is improved immediately. Drops have to
be used several times per day and dosage starts tapering off
within about a week.

I had one eye done on December 18, 2023, and second eye done on
December 27 or 28, 2023. So, about a week later, but the eye
drops are very, very important for healing.

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Carol
On temps, already getting a bit cool so had the heat on some evenings.

We have had three nights in a row with heavy frost. The leaves have
changed colour and are falling like mad. I have to spend some time every
day raking, blowing and mulching them.

No frost here yet, and we've dropped down to 39°F (3.88°C)
and leaves are just beginning to change.

[Carol]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Carol

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
No need to ask if everyone is ready for it as it doesn't
matter, it will happen whether anyone is ready or not.
Here in Nashville, it's even darker than usual at this
time due to it being a cloudy day. We've had two much
needed showers and it will be a bit cool on Sunday.

The shorter days overall affect me mostly. I can't drive well in
the dark now. Cataracts starting but holding off on the surgery
until I have medicare (combined with tricare fpr life = no bill).

I have started finding night driving to be a problem. I have
cataracts developing in both eyes but I have a more serious issue
with my right eye and have almost no central vision so I can't
usually see what I am looking at. Peripheral vision is fine. I am
going to have to have the cataract done in my left eye done one of
these days. They generally do one eye and let it heal before they do
the second one. I won't have a good eye to rely on while the other
recovers.

Normal to affect both eyes but one be worse. My left eye is worse so
will be done first then back about 3 weeks later for the other one.

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Carol
On temps, already getting a bit cool so had the heat on some
evenings.

We have had three nights in a row with heavy frost. The leaves have
changed colour and are falling like mad. I have to spend some time
every day raking, blowing and mulching them.

No so here. On leaves we just run over them (a few times if they clump
up). This naturally fertilizes the yard. Same with raking grass. Out
lawn is better than most and no chemicals used. Just natures own way
of mulching with a little assist to make it degrade to mulch.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:59:19 -0000 (UTC), "Carol"

Post by Carol

Post by Dave Smith
We have had three nights in a row with heavy frost. The leaves have
changed colour and are falling like mad. I have to spend some time
every day raking, blowing and mulching them.

No so here. On leaves we just run over them (a few times if they clump
up). This naturally fertilizes the yard. Same with raking grass. Out
lawn is better than most and no chemicals used. Just natures own way
of mulching with a little assist to make it degrade to mulch.

I knew a guy who was a general gardener/handyman type. He always
preferred to leave the grass he mowed for people, on their lawn. It
would serve as fertiliser so the grass would come back faster and he'd
have another job faster.

[Hank Rogers]

Post by Bruce
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:59:19 -0000 (UTC), "Carol"

Post by Carol

Post by Dave Smith
We have had three nights in a row with heavy frost. The leaves have
changed colour and are falling like mad. I have to spend some time
every day raking, blowing and mulching them.

No so here. On leaves we just run over them (a few times if they clump
up). This naturally fertilizes the yard. Same with raking grass. Out
lawn is better than most and no chemicals used. Just natures own way
of mulching with a little assist to make it degrade to mulch.

I knew a guy who was a general gardener/handyman type. He always
preferred to leave the grass he mowed for people, on their lawn. It
would serve as fertiliser so the grass would come back faster and he'd
have another job faster.

So, how did his ass smell, Master? Did he hike his leg after he finished
mowing your lawn? I bet you still miss him.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Carol

Post by Dave Smith
We have had three nights in a row with heavy frost. The leaves have
changed colour and are falling like mad. I have to spend some time
every day raking, blowing and mulching them.

No so here. On leaves we just run over them (a few times if they clump
up). This naturally fertilizes the yard. Same with raking grass. Out
lawn is better than most and no chemicals used. Just natures own way
of mulching with a little assist to make it degrade to mulch.

I have a huge maple tree on my front yard and a smaller Norway maple on
the west side. I used to have a second huge maple at the front but it
was removed two years ago. Thank goodness it was on town property so
they had to pay for it. There is also a row of maples across the road.
If I don't clean them up every day or two they get so thick they are
unmanageable.

[Carol]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Carol

Post by Dave Smith
We have had three nights in a row with heavy frost. The leaves
have changed colour and are falling like mad. I have to spend
some time every day raking, blowing and mulching them.

No so here. On leaves we just run over them (a few times if they
clump up). This naturally fertilizes the yard. Same with raking
grass. Out lawn is better than most and no chemicals used. Just
natures own way of mulching with a little assist to make it degrade
to mulch.

I have a huge maple tree on my front yard and a smaller Norway maple
on the west side. I used to have a second huge maple at the front but
it was removed two years ago. Thank goodness it was on town property
so they had to pay for it. There is also a row of maples across the
road. If I don't clean them up every day or two they get so thick
they are unmanageable.

Huge Oak out front for years, 3 large pecans in back. All 4ctually
were at or just over the fence line to me. We still mulched it down.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
As it is getting darker earlier each evening and pondering
the upcoming time change a thought came into my mind.
(Yeah, I know, it's shocking to read that.) This is the
last full weekend in the northern hemisphere for a full
weekend of Daylight-Saving Time before it ends next
weekend.

The only part I hate is moving wind-up clocks forward thirteen hours.
Most (all?) of them don't like being turned backwards.
Or so I've been led to believe. Logical to me. I only have two.
And...there's the stove and the microwave and the alarm clocks and the
car clocks and the thermostat clock, each reset differently.
The computer and iDevices change magically. I quit yard work, so I don't
care about the sprinkler system clock anymore. Score one for me!

[Ed P]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
The only part I hate is moving wind-up clocks forward thirteen hours.
Most (all?) of them don't like being turned backwards.
Or so I've been led to believe. Logical to me. I only have two.

Why would you do that? I just stop it for an hour and push the pendulum
again. If I forget, I may have to push it forward a few minutes.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Ed P

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
The only part I hate is moving wind-up clocks forward thirteen hours.
Most (all?) of them don't like being turned backwards.
Or so I've been led to believe. Logical to me. I only have two.

Why would you do that? I just stop it for an hour and push the pendulum
again. If I forget, I may have to push it forward a few minutes.

I misspoke. The clocks are battery operated, analog clocks with dials on
the back to change the time. One is hung on a nail in the wall that I
have to hook the damned clock back onto after re-centering on the
sliding nail (not in a stud). The other is near the ceiling, over the
TV, that I have to get on a stepladder for. I'm not a fan of any kind of
ladder anymore. Once in my hands, I deal with the clocks right now!
If anyone has made it this far, are you still awake? ;)

[Ed P]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Ed P

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
The only part I hate is moving wind-up clocks forward thirteen hours.
Most (all?) of them don't like being turned backwards.
Or so I've been led to believe. Logical to me. I only have two.

Why would you do that? I just stop it for an hour and push the pendulum
again. If I forget, I may have to push it forward a few minutes.

I misspoke. The clocks are battery operated, analog clocks with dials on
the back to change the time. One is hung on a nail in the wall that I
have to hook the damned clock back onto after re-centering on the
sliding nail (not in a stud). The other is near the ceiling, over the
TV, that I have to get on a stepladder for. I'm not a fan of any kind of
ladder anymore. Once in my hands, I deal with the clocks right now!
If anyone has made it this far, are you still awake? ;)

I'd replace them or leave them on the same time. Couple of months ago I
used a step ladder, but these days, my limit is one step.

[Bruce]

Post by Ed P

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Ed P

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
The only part I hate is moving wind-up clocks forward thirteen hours.
Most (all?) of them don't like being turned backwards.
Or so I've been led to believe. Logical to me. I only have two.

Why would you do that? I just stop it for an hour and push the pendulum
again. If I forget, I may have to push it forward a few minutes.

I misspoke. The clocks are battery operated, analog clocks with dials on
the back to change the time. One is hung on a nail in the wall that I
have to hook the damned clock back onto after re-centering on the
sliding nail (not in a stud). The other is near the ceiling, over the
TV, that I have to get on a stepladder for. I'm not a fan of any kind of
ladder anymore. Once in my hands, I deal with the clocks right now!
If anyone has made it this far, are you still awake? ;)

I'd replace them or leave them on the same time. Couple of months ago I
used a step ladder, but these days, my limit is one step.

I agree, just remember not to trust what that clock says.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Ed P

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
The only part I hate is moving wind-up clocks forward thirteen hours.
Most (all?) of them don't like being turned backwards.
Or so I've been led to believe. Logical to me. I only have two.

Why would you do that? I just stop it for an hour and push the pendulum
again. If I forget, I may have to push it forward a few minutes.

I misspoke. The clocks are battery operated, analog clocks with dials on
the back to change the time. One is hung on a nail in the wall that I
have to hook the damned clock back onto after re-centering on the
sliding nail (not in a stud). The other is near the ceiling, over the
TV, that I have to get on a stepladder for. I'm not a fan of any kind of
ladder anymore.

I'd definitely get rid of that clock. Our TV sits on a cart with
several shelves. One of them holds an illuminated digital clock
that resets to/from DST with a single button.

[D]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Ed P

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
The only part I hate is moving wind-up clocks forward thirteen hours.
Most (all?) of them don't like being turned backwards.
Or so I've been led to believe. Logical to me. I only have two.

Why would you do that? I just stop it for an hour and push the pendulum
again. If I forget, I may have to push it forward a few minutes.

I misspoke. The clocks are battery operated, analog clocks with dials on
the back to change the time. One is hung on a nail in the wall that I
have to hook the damned clock back onto after re-centering on the
sliding nail (not in a stud). The other is near the ceiling, over the
TV, that I have to get on a stepladder for. I'm not a fan of any kind of
ladder anymore. Once in my hands, I deal with the clocks right now!
If anyone has made it this far, are you still awake? ;)

Sure am! And thank you very much for the report! ;)