Redefining eternity

Two old people and a thirteen pound turkey.

S Viemeister

2024-12-03 02:38:25 UTC

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Two old people and a thirteen pound turkey.

This is one of the reasons we have chicken on Thanksgiving...

We used to have big gatherings, but older family and friends have died,
and the young folks have moved to other states. Just three this year.

Bruce

2024-12-03 03:04:50 UTC

On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 02:38:25 +0000, S Viemeister

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Two old people and a thirteen pound turkey.

This is one of the reasons we have chicken on Thanksgiving...
We used to have big gatherings, but older family and friends have died,
and the young folks have moved to other states. Just three this year.

And maybe the brighter ones don't eat meat.

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Bruce
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ItsJoanNotJoAnn

2024-12-03 02:41:57 UTC

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Two old people and a thirteen pound turkey.

Do I see turkey sandwiches, turkey hash, turkey
potpie, creamed turkey over biscuits or noodles,
and cubed turkey mixed into a green salad in your
future?

2024-12-03 04:04:01 UTC

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Two old people and a thirteen pound turkey.

Um, CanaDUH becoming the 51st US state, Lol...???

'Trump reportedly told Justin Trudeau that Canada should become the 51st
state if they can’t deal with tariffs'

By Victor Nava - Published Dec. 2, 2024,

https://nypost.com/2024/12/02/us-news/trump-reportedly-told-justin-trudeau-that-canada-should-become-the-51st-state-if-they-cant-deal-with-tariffs/

"President-elect Donald Trump reportedly joked to Canadian Prime
Minister Justin Trudeau last week that his country should become part of
the United States if it can’t handle his aggressive tariff plan...

Trump, 78, made the quip during a three-hour-long dinner with Trudeau at
his Mar-a-Lago estate on Friday – a meeting prompted by the
president-elect’s threat to impose a 25% tariff on Canadian imports...

During their Palm Beach, Fla., sitdown, Trudeau, 52, pleaded with Trump
not to implement the new levy because it would “kill” Canada’s economy,
according to Fox News...

“So your country can’t survive unless it’s ripping off the US to the
tune of $100 billion?” Trump reportedly replied, referencing the US
trade deficit with Canada...

The president-elect then joked that Canada could become the 51st state,
with Trudeau serving as its governor...

However, Trump admitted that “prime minister” was a better title for
Trudeau than “governor.”

Trudeau and others at the table laughed “nervously” at the remark,
sources at the dinner told Fox News...

When someone at the table noted that Canada would be a “very liberal
state,” the incoming president suggested that it could be split into two
states – a liberal and a conservative one...

Last month, Trump said he would slap tariffs on Canadian goods unless
the country cracked down on illegal immigration and drug smuggling...

Trump reiterated his demands at the dinner and noted that he expected
changes from America’s northern neighbor by Jan. 20, when he’s sworn
into office...

The president-elect described his conversation with Trudeau as “very
productive” in a Truth Social post on Saturday..."

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GM

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2024-12-03 09:38:34 UTC

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Two old people and a thirteen pound turkey.

Um, CanaDUH becoming the 51st US state, Lol...???
'Trump reportedly told Justin Trudeau that Canada should become the 51st
state if they canât deal with tariffs'
By Victor Nava - Published Dec. 2, 2024,
https://nypost.com/2024/12/02/us-news/trump-reportedly-told-justin-trudeau-that-canada-should-become-the-51st-state-if-they-cant-deal-with-tariffs/
"President-elect Donald Trump reportedly joked to Canadian Prime
Minister Justin Trudeau last week that his country should become part of
the United States if it canât handle his aggressive tariff plan...
Trump, 78, made the quip during a three-hour-long dinner with Trudeau at
his Mar-a-Lago estate on Friday â a meeting prompted by the
president-electâs threat to impose a 25% tariff on Canadian imports...
During their Palm Beach, Fla., sitdown, Trudeau, 52, pleaded with Trump
not to implement the new levy because it would âkillâ Canadaâs economy,
according to Fox News...
âSo your country canât survive unless itâs ripping off the US to the
tune of $100 billion?â Trump reportedly replied, referencing the US
trade deficit with Canada...
The president-elect then joked that Canada could become the 51st state,
with Trudeau serving as its governor...
However, Trump admitted that âprime ministerâ was a better title for
Trudeau than âgovernor.â
Trudeau and others at the table laughed ânervouslyâ at the remark,
sources at the dinner told Fox News...
When someone at the table noted that Canada would be a âvery liberal
state,â the incoming president suggested that it could be split into two
states â a liberal and a conservative one...
Last month, Trump said he would slap tariffs on Canadian goods unless
the country cracked down on illegal immigration and drug smuggling...
Trump reiterated his demands at the dinner and noted that he expected
changes from Americaâs northern neighbor by Jan. 20, when heâs sworn
into office...
The president-elect described his conversation with Trudeau as âvery
productiveâ in a Truth Social post on Saturday..."
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GM
--

Excellent! I wish I could have been there to see him humiliate Turdeau
again and again. Trump is already exceeding my expectations, without even
being president yet!

clams casino

2024-12-05 21:58:21 UTC

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Two old people and a thirteen pound turkey.

Um, CanaDUH becoming the 51st US state, Lol...???
'Trump reportedly told Justin Trudeau that Canada should become the 51st
state if they can’t deal with tariffs'
By Victor Nava - Published Dec. 2, 2024,
https://nypost.com/2024/12/02/us-news/trump-reportedly-told-justin-trudeau-that-canada-should-become-the-51st-state-if-they-cant-deal-with-tariffs/
"President-elect Donald Trump reportedly joked to Canadian Prime
Minister Justin Trudeau last week that his country should become part of
the United States if it can’t handle his aggressive tariff plan...
Trump, 78, made the quip during a three-hour-long dinner with Trudeau at
his Mar-a-Lago estate on Friday – a meeting prompted by the
president-elect’s threat to impose a 25% tariff on Canadian imports...
During their Palm Beach, Fla., sitdown, Trudeau, 52, pleaded with Trump
not to implement the new levy because it would “kill” Canada’s economy,
according to Fox News...
“So your country can’t survive unless it’s ripping off the US to the
tune of $100 billion?” Trump reportedly replied, referencing the US
trade deficit with Canada...
The president-elect then joked that Canada could become the 51st state,
with Trudeau serving as its governor...
However, Trump admitted that “prime minister” was a better title for
Trudeau than “governor.”
Trudeau and others at the table laughed “nervously” at the remark,
sources at the dinner told Fox News...
When someone at the table noted that Canada would be a “very liberal
state,” the incoming president suggested that it could be split into two
states – a liberal and a conservative one...
Last month, Trump said he would slap tariffs on Canadian goods unless
the country cracked down on illegal immigration and drug smuggling...
Trump reiterated his demands at the dinner and noted that he expected
changes from America’s northern neighbor by Jan. 20, when he’s sworn
into office...
The president-elect described his conversation with Trudeau as “very
productive” in a Truth Social post on Saturday..."
--
GM
--

Excellent! I wish I could have been there to see him humiliate Turdeau
again and again. Trump is already exceeding my expectations, without
even being president yet!

100% tariff on BRICS if they try and replace the dollar as intl. reserve
currency.

Yee haw!

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-03 09:58:22 UTC

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Two old people and a thirteen pound turkey.

That's why I convert most of ours into broth.

We're just about to throw out the last few dribs of the meat.
The stuffing will be frozen; it will accompany pork chops for
a few more meals. (I'm thinking of browning the pork chops
in bacon grease rather than neutral oil. Hope I remember.)

I had three meals of leftover turkey: on a cold sandwich,
in a salad dressed with balsamic vinaigrette, and carefully warmed
with green beans that I'd nuked and to which I added gravy, topped
with stuffing that I'd browned in a nonstick skillet.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Leonard Blaisdell

2024-12-03 21:25:38 UTC

Post by Cindy Hamilton
We're just about to throw out the last few dribs of the meat.
The stuffing will be frozen; it will accompany pork chops for
a few more meals. (I'm thinking of browning the pork chops
in bacon grease rather than neutral oil. Hope I remember.)

Great minds and all that. Everything is gone now but one slice of pecan
pie and quite a bit of extra stuffing. I'm cooking a pork tenderloin
roast tonight to finish off the stuffing.
I'm pretty sure that pork gravy will be fine with turkey stuffing.
I'm thinking turkey breast next year, but I'm sure to forget. :(

ItsJoanNotJoAnn

2024-12-03 21:48:40 UTC

When I read your original post of this thread I was
wondering if a turkey breast would be more suitable
in size for you two. But then I thought there's the
possibility one likes nothing but white meat while
the other likes nothing but dark meat.

Put 'turkey breast' on your shopping list this week
and check if your store has them on sale to get rid
of them. Then chuck it in your freezer for next
year or if you have a hankering for turkey again
in the next few months. They 'generally' weigh in
at the five-pound range.

Dave Smith

2024-12-03 22:44:26 UTC

My wife and I would be better off getting turkey legs. I am not all that
crazy about drum sticks, but the thighs, IMO, are the best part of the
turkey.

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Put 'turkey breast' on your shopping list this week
and check if your store has them on sale to get rid
of them. Then chuck it in your freezer for next
year or if you have a hankering for turkey again
in the next few months. They 'generally' weigh in
at the five-pound range.

The advantage of a turkey breast is that you can cook a decent turkey
dinner and not be stuck with a ton of leftovers.

Bruce

2024-12-04 03:18:52 UTC

On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:44:26 -0500, Dave Smith

My wife and I would be better off getting turkey legs.

What kind of legs do youse have now then?

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Bruce
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Mike Duffy

2024-12-04 05:41:33 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.

Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.

(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

2024-12-04 14:59:05 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.
Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.
(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

And speaking of "Trump":

The Donfather

World leaders converge on White House South to kiss the ring.

www.theamericanconservative.com/the-donfather

"The Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau knew what he had to do. So
did META founder Mark Zuckerberg. Even Argentina’s firebrand president,
Javier Milei, and the wife of Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
showed up. Onto their private planes and into their dripped-out
Escalades, each person made their way to the palatial kingdom of
Mar-a-Lago...

And they kissed the ring...

The times, they are truly a-changing...

For Trudeau, who has hammered away at Trump the man and Trump the
politician, this was a humiliation ritual...

Often America’s fiercest critic, the Canuck leader bowed before our
returning president with a meekness that admitted the occasion...

As much as Canada likes to beat its chest in defiance of its southern
bedmate, they’d be lost in their winter wonderland without our good
graces...

When Trudeau informed Trump that the rumored 25 percent tariff would
devastate the Canadian economy, the 47th president jokingly replied:

“If Canada can’t survive without ripping off the U.S. to the tune of
$100 billion a year, then maybe Canada should become the 51st state and
Trudeau could become its governor.”...

Whether the icy relationship between Trump and Trudeau melts away
remains to be seen, but the pair smiling and breaking bread around a
candle-lit table in southern Florida served as a stunning reminder of
who wields true power in the Western Hemisphere...

In every glimpse of Mar-a-Lago, Trump is clearly basking in the warm
glow of his people’s mandate as his favorite YMCA song bounces
effortlessly around White House South...

Surrounded by world leaders and celebrities who hang on his every word,
America feels oddly and uniquely back..."

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GM

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dsi1

2024-12-04 17:28:04 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.
Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.
(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

The Donfather
World leaders converge on White House South to kiss the ring.
www.theamericanconservative.com/the-donfather
"The Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau knew what he had to do. So
did META founder Mark Zuckerberg. Even Argentina’s firebrand president,
Javier Milei, and the wife of Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
showed up. Onto their private planes and into their dripped-out
Escalades, each person made their way to the palatial kingdom of
Mar-a-Lago...
And they kissed the ring...
The times, they are truly a-changing...
For Trudeau, who has hammered away at Trump the man and Trump the
politician, this was a humiliation ritual...
Often America’s fiercest critic, the Canuck leader bowed before our
returning president with a meekness that admitted the occasion...
As much as Canada likes to beat its chest in defiance of its southern
bedmate, they’d be lost in their winter wonderland without our good
graces...
When Trudeau informed Trump that the rumored 25 percent tariff would
“If Canada can’t survive without ripping off the U.S. to the tune of
$100 billion a year, then maybe Canada should become the 51st state and
Trudeau could become its governor.”...
Whether the icy relationship between Trump and Trudeau melts away
remains to be seen, but the pair smiling and breaking bread around a
candle-lit table in southern Florida served as a stunning reminder of
who wields true power in the Western Hemisphere...
In every glimpse of Mar-a-Lago, Trump is clearly basking in the warm
glow of his people’s mandate as his favorite YMCA song bounces
effortlessly around White House South...
Surrounded by world leaders and celebrities who hang on his every word,
America feels oddly and uniquely back..."
--
GM
--

Meanwhile, you won't be hearing Trump say a thing about Putin, who has
proclaimed that Trump is his bitch. Trump was rebuffed when he said that
he had advised Putin for restraint in Ukraine. Putin's response was that
never happened, and posted that Trump has obligations to him for helping
him get elected. Then he posted nude pictures of his wife on Russian TV
- Trump's wife, that is. It's fairly obvious whose ring Trump kisses.

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-nikolai-patrushev-donald-trump-russia-1984360

2024-12-04 17:44:10 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.
Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.
(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

Meanwhile, you won't be hearing Trump say a thing about Putin, who has
proclaimed that Trump is his bitch. Trump was rebuffed when he said that
he had advised Putin for restraint in Ukraine. Putin's response was that
never happened, and posted that Trump has obligations to him for helping
him get elected. Then he posted nude pictures of his wife on Russian TV
- Trump's wife, that is. It's fairly obvious whose ring Trump kisses.
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-nikolai-patrushev-donald-trump-russia-1984360

<YAWN>

Newsweek, is *of course*, part of the lefty MSM "disinformation
cloud"...

BOO...!!!

😎

--
GM

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dsi1

2024-12-04 18:24:24 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.
Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.
(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

Meanwhile, you won't be hearing Trump say a thing about Putin, who has
proclaimed that Trump is his bitch. Trump was rebuffed when he said that
he had advised Putin for restraint in Ukraine. Putin's response was that
never happened, and posted that Trump has obligations to him for helping
him get elected. Then he posted nude pictures of his wife on Russian TV
- Trump's wife, that is. It's fairly obvious whose ring Trump kisses.
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-nikolai-patrushev-donald-trump-russia-1984360

<YAWN>
Newsweek, is *of course*, part of the lefty MSM "disinformation
cloud"...
BOO...!!!
😎
--
GM
--

People like you would consider Newsweek a left-leaning publication.
People like me would consider it to be right-leaning. The truth is
probably somewhere in the middle.

Meanwhile, have you heard Trump say anything about Russia/Putin? The
reality is that he's not going to say a thing about Putin's business
without permission/approval from Putin.

The idea that countries have to bend the knee to other countries is
certainly charmingly, quaintly, medieval, even though it might be true.
That it is proudly proclaimed by Americans just goes to show how far
American diplomacy/attitudes have fallen.

2024-12-04 18:30:21 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.
Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.
(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

Meanwhile, you won't be hearing Trump say a thing about Putin, who has
proclaimed that Trump is his bitch. Trump was rebuffed when he said that
he had advised Putin for restraint in Ukraine. Putin's response was that
never happened, and posted that Trump has obligations to him for helping
him get elected. Then he posted nude pictures of his wife on Russian TV
- Trump's wife, that is. It's fairly obvious whose ring Trump kisses.
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-nikolai-patrushev-donald-trump-russia-1984360

<YAWN>
Newsweek, is *of course*, part of the lefty MSM "disinformation
cloud"...
BOO...!!!
😎
--
GM
--

People like you would consider Newsweek a left-leaning publication.
People like me would consider it to be right-leaning. The truth is
probably somewhere in the middle.
Meanwhile, have you heard Trump say anything about Russia/Putin? The
reality is that he's not going to say a thing about Putin's business
without permission/approval from Putin.
The idea that countries have to bend the knee to other countries is
certainly charmingly, quaintly, medieval, even though it might be true.
That it is proudly proclaimed by Americans just goes to show how far
American diplomacy/attitudes have fallen.

The US is the TOP DOG of nations, and THE DONALD is the TOP DOG of the
WORLD...

And there is NOTHING you can "do" about, lol...!!!

Tell us, David, does that "annoy" - or even SCARE! - you...???

<CHUCKLE>

🤣

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GM

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dsi1

2024-12-04 18:51:46 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.
Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.
(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

Meanwhile, you won't be hearing Trump say a thing about Putin, who has
proclaimed that Trump is his bitch. Trump was rebuffed when he said that
he had advised Putin for restraint in Ukraine. Putin's response was that
never happened, and posted that Trump has obligations to him for helping
him get elected. Then he posted nude pictures of his wife on Russian TV
- Trump's wife, that is. It's fairly obvious whose ring Trump kisses.
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-nikolai-patrushev-donald-trump-russia-1984360

<YAWN>
Newsweek, is *of course*, part of the lefty MSM "disinformation
cloud"...
BOO...!!!
😎
--
GM
--

People like you would consider Newsweek a left-leaning publication.
People like me would consider it to be right-leaning. The truth is
probably somewhere in the middle.
Meanwhile, have you heard Trump say anything about Russia/Putin? The
reality is that he's not going to say a thing about Putin's business
without permission/approval from Putin.
The idea that countries have to bend the knee to other countries is
certainly charmingly, quaintly, medieval, even though it might be true.
That it is proudly proclaimed by Americans just goes to show how far
American diplomacy/attitudes have fallen.

The US is the TOP DOG of nations, and THE DONALD is the TOP DOG of the
WORLD...
And there is NOTHING you can "do" about, lol...!!!
Tell us, David, does that "annoy" - or even SCARE! - you...???
<CHUCKLE>
🤣
--
GM
--

I like to go with the flow and observe what's going on. I don't get
scared or annoyed. Does that disappoint you? That you're a gloating,
passive-aggressive, scared, clown just goes to show how far you've
fallen. <YAWN> and <CHUCKLE> don't impress me. Yoose gets the last word,
dude.

2024-12-04 19:05:45 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.
Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.
(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

Meanwhile, you won't be hearing Trump say a thing about Putin, who has
proclaimed that Trump is his bitch. Trump was rebuffed when he said that
he had advised Putin for restraint in Ukraine. Putin's response was that
never happened, and posted that Trump has obligations to him for helping
him get elected. Then he posted nude pictures of his wife on Russian TV
- Trump's wife, that is. It's fairly obvious whose ring Trump kisses.
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-nikolai-patrushev-donald-trump-russia-1984360

<YAWN>
Newsweek, is *of course*, part of the lefty MSM "disinformation
cloud"...
BOO...!!!
😎
--
GM
--

People like you would consider Newsweek a left-leaning publication.
People like me would consider it to be right-leaning. The truth is
probably somewhere in the middle.
Meanwhile, have you heard Trump say anything about Russia/Putin? The
reality is that he's not going to say a thing about Putin's business
without permission/approval from Putin.
The idea that countries have to bend the knee to other countries is
certainly charmingly, quaintly, medieval, even though it might be true.
That it is proudly proclaimed by Americans just goes to show how far
American diplomacy/attitudes have fallen.

The US is the TOP DOG of nations, and THE DONALD is the TOP DOG of the
WORLD...
And there is NOTHING you can "do" about, lol...!!!
Tell us, David, does that "annoy" - or even SCARE! - you...???
<CHUCKLE>
🤣
--
GM
--

Nope, I'll "allow" Mister Hank Rogers to have "the last word"...
"DUDE"...

I'm sure he will be along "shortly"...

O:-)

--
GM

--

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2024-12-05 22:23:14 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.
Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.
(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

Meanwhile, you won't be hearing Trump say a thing about Putin, who has
proclaimed that Trump is his bitch. Trump was rebuffed when he said that
he had advised Putin for restraint in Ukraine. Putin's response was that
never happened, and posted that Trump has obligations to him for helping
him get elected. Then he posted nude pictures of his wife on Russian TV
- Trump's wife, that is. It's fairly obvious whose ring Trump kisses.
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-nikolai-patrushev-donald-trump-russia-1984360

<YAWN>
Newsweek, is *of course*, part of the lefty MSM "disinformation
cloud"...
BOO...!!!
😎
--
GM
--

People like you would consider Newsweek a left-leaning publication.
People like me would consider it to be right-leaning. The truth is
probably somewhere in the middle.

I'm going to grade that as observable, of late...the Times they are a
changin'...

Post by dsi1
Meanwhile, have you heard Trump say anything about Russia/Putin? The
reality is that he's not going to say a thing about Putin's business
without permission/approval from Putin.

They have a deal to get done, this is bidnits normal.

Post by dsi1
The idea that countries have to bend the knee to other countries is
certainly charmingly, quaintly, medieval, even though it might be true.
That it is proudly proclaimed by Americans just goes to show how far
American diplomacy/attitudes have fallen.
http://youtu.be/aJbsXeRc_Fw

clams casino

2024-12-05 22:16:48 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
better off getting turkey legs. I am not
all that crazy about drum sticks,

I tend to be put off by all the
pulling off of tendons.
Darkness prevails over whiteness in either case.
(Necks trump wings or any leg parts.)

Meanwhile, you won't be hearing Trump say a thing about Putin, who has
proclaimed that Trump is his bitch.

Pootin has delusions of height.

Post by dsi1
Trump was rebuffed when he said that
he had advised Putin for restraint in Ukraine. Putin's response was that
never happened, and posted that Trump has obligations to him for helping
him get elected. Then he posted nude pictures of his wife on Russian TV
- Trump's wife, that is. It's fairly obvious whose ring Trump kisses.
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-nikolai-patrushev-donald-trump-russia-1984360

And yet:

Patrushev also said that Putin called Trump "a man" after seeing his
response to the assassination attempt on him in Butler, Pennsylvania, on
July 13. This "coming from Putin is high praise," Patrushev added.

He said that in the future, new infrastructure, including marine
fiber-optic cables that provide connectivity around the world, could
come under attack." The move would have the goal of sowing "chaos" in
the global energy market, "including by destabilizing maritime
transportation."

--- this just happened to the euro internet subsea cables and may have
saved us from Xiden's missiling us into WW3! ---

Carol

2024-12-05 01:24:25 UTC

My wife and I would be better off getting turkey legs. I am not all
that crazy about drum sticks, but the thighs, IMO, are the best part
of the turkey.

The advantage of a turkey breast is that you can cook a decent turkey
dinner and not be stuck with a ton of leftovers.

Ask at yhe meat counter. Mine sells Turkey thighs, but they get
squirreled in odd spots.

Bruce

2024-12-05 01:42:36 UTC

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:24:25 -0000 (UTC), "Carol"

Post by Dave Smith
My wife and I would be better off getting turkey legs. I am not all
that crazy about drum sticks, but the thighs, IMO, are the best part
of the turkey.

The advantage of a turkey breast is that you can cook a decent turkey
dinner and not be stuck with a ton of leftovers.

Ask at yhe meat counter. Mine sells Turkey thighs, but they get
squirreled in odd spots.

I'd say check the meat counter!

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Bruce
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Michael Trew

2024-12-05 20:12:20 UTC

My wife and I would be better off getting turkey legs. I am not all that
crazy about drum sticks, but the thighs, IMO, are the best part of the
turkey.

The advantage of a turkey breast is that you can cook a decent turkey
dinner and not be stuck with a ton of leftovers.

Trouble is that you wouldn't get the thigh, which is also my favorite
part. I avoid the white meat on a turkey. Whether I'm feeding 2 or
more, leftover roasted poultry and carcass does not go to waste. Stock,
soup, sandwiches, etc... Freeze what you can't use.

Leonard Blaisdell

2024-12-04 00:29:18 UTC

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
When I read your original post of this thread I was
wondering if a turkey breast would be more suitable
in size for you two. But then I thought there's the
possibility one likes nothing but white meat while
the other likes nothing but dark meat.
Put 'turkey breast' on your shopping list this week
and check if your store has them on sale to get rid
of them. Then chuck it in your freezer for next
year or if you have a hankering for turkey again
in the next few months. They 'generally' weigh in
at the five-pound range.

My wife eats white meat. I eat both. After massive dinners for five
nights, I'm unlikely to eat turkey until next Thanksgiving. Your "buy a
breast now" suggestion is a good idea, but the breast will/would hang
around in the freezer for a year.
Tonight, I'm knocking back a few, but I made this for her. She says the
pork gravy and turkey dressing are fine together. Normally, I serve
Yorkshire instead of dressing with pork roast.
Just a little more dressing to go. Gravy swamp!

<https://postimg.cc/5X0T3b5V>

ItsJoanNotJoAnn

2024-12-04 03:21:16 UTC

😋

Bruce

2024-12-04 03:32:38 UTC

😋

Do you really like that? You 2 most be from an ancient generation and
a culture far, far away :)

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

ItsJoanNotJoAnn

2024-12-04 04:10:00 UTC

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Tonight, I'm knocking back a few, but I made this for her. She says the
pork gravy and turkey dressing are fine together. Normally, I serve
Yorkshire instead of dressing with pork roast.
Just a little more dressing to go. Gravy swamp!
<https://postimg.cc/5X0T3b5V>

😋

Do you really like that? You 2 most be from an ancient generation and
a culture far, far away :)

A pork roast and dressing are super tasty. Leftover
turkey dressing and served with pork roast and gravy
is delicious. What's not to like? Flavorful gravy
is a thing of beauty whether it's poured over dressing
or mashed potatoes or cooked noodles. Num-num.

Bruce

2024-12-04 04:16:11 UTC

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn

😋

Do you really like that? You 2 most be from an ancient generation and
a culture far, far away :)

It's all brown and covered in gravy and it's served with more
gravy-like stuff and no vegetable in sight. I'd expect this in the
equivalent of a trucker's diner, in the 1920s.

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

ItsJoanNotJoAnn

2024-12-04 04:58:00 UTC

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn

Post by Bruce
Do you really like that? You 2 most be from an ancient generation and
a culture far, far away :)

It's all brown and covered in gravy and it's served with more
gravy-like stuff and no vegetable in sight. I'd expect this in the
equivalent of a trucker's diner, in the 1920s.

It might be brown, but the flavor is what's important.
Maybe she had a side salad, maybe she didn't. She'll
not drop dead because she forwent a green vegetable.

Bruce

2024-12-04 05:43:05 UTC

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn

Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
A pork roast and dressing are super tasty. Leftover
turkey dressing and served with pork roast and gravy
is delicious. What's not to like? Flavorful gravy
is a thing of beauty whether it's poured over dressing
or mashed potatoes or cooked noodles. Num-num.

It's all brown and covered in gravy and it's served with more
gravy-like stuff and no vegetable in sight. I'd expect this in the
equivalent of a trucker's diner, in the 1920s.

It might be brown, but the flavor is what's important.
Maybe she had a side salad, maybe she didn't. She'll
not drop dead because she forwent a green vegetable.

I probably won't drop dead after eating a deepfried armadillo either.

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-04 09:42:21 UTC

😋

Do you really like that?

Not every day. It's fine a few times a year.

Post by Bruce
You 2 most be from an ancient generation and
a culture far, far away :)

How old are you? What's the food of your culture like -- especially
the foods it didn't borrow from Indonesia?

--
Cindy Hamilton

Bruce

2024-12-04 09:50:19 UTC

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 09:42:21 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
My wife eats white meat. I eat both. After massive dinners for five
nights, I'm unlikely to eat turkey until next Thanksgiving. Your "buy a
breast now" suggestion is a good idea, but the breast will/would hang
around in the freezer for a year.
Tonight, I'm knocking back a few, but I made this for her. She says the
pork gravy and turkey dressing are fine together. Normally, I serve
Yorkshire instead of dressing with pork roast.
Just a little more dressing to go. Gravy swamp!
<https://postimg.cc/5X0T3b5V>

😋

Do you really like that?

Not every day. It's fine a few times a year.

It looks prehistoric to me.

Post by Bruce
You 2 most be from an ancient generation and
a culture far, far away :)

How old are you? What's the food of your culture like -- especially
the foods it didn't borrow from Indonesia?

Old school, lower class food from my country was peasant food:
potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-04 13:08:01 UTC

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 09:42:21 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

😋

Do you really like that?

Not every day. It's fine a few times a year.

It looks prehistoric to me.

Post by Bruce
You 2 most be from an ancient generation and
a culture far, far away :)

How old are you? What's the food of your culture like -- especially
the foods it didn't borrow from Indonesia?

potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

Pretty much the same here.

The changes in the 60s meant that we can choose the old school or
the new school. I'm sure nearly everyone here eats a bit of each.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Bruce

2024-12-04 22:43:00 UTC

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 13:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 09:42:21 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

😋

Do you really like that?

Not every day. It's fine a few times a year.

It looks prehistoric to me.

Post by Bruce
You 2 most be from an ancient generation and
a culture far, far away :)

How old are you? What's the food of your culture like -- especially
the foods it didn't borrow from Indonesia?

potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

Pretty much the same here.
The changes in the 60s meant that we can choose the old school or
the new school. I'm sure nearly everyone here eats a bit of each.

This is an example of old school Dutch food. I don't hate it but I
wouldn't choose it if there was a choice.
<https://www.tasteatlas.com/boerenkool-stamppot>

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

Hank Rogers

2024-12-05 00:59:05 UTC

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 13:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 09:42:21 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

😋

Do you really like that?

Not every day. It's fine a few times a year.

It looks prehistoric to me.

Post by Bruce
You 2 most be from an ancient generation and
a culture far, far away :)

How old are you? What's the food of your culture like -- especially
the foods it didn't borrow from Indonesia?

potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

Pretty much the same here.
The changes in the 60s meant that we can choose the old school or
the new school. I'm sure nearly everyone here eats a bit of each.

This is an example of old school Dutch food. I don't hate it but I
wouldn't choose it if there was a choice.
<https://www.tasteatlas.com/boerenkool-stamppot>

What kind of vittles would a teenage dutch person cook and eat?

And how long would they crow about it?

Would they go ape-shit if other folks didn't eat the same dutch grub?
Would they hang around here and whine for a decade?

I'm beginning to think most dutch are not at all like you, Master. You
are special.

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-05 09:28:59 UTC

Post by Bruce
This is an example of old school Dutch food. I don't hate it but I
wouldn't choose it if there was a choice.
<https://www.tasteatlas.com/boerenkool-stamppot>

Ah, well. Everybody's different. I might order it at a restaurant,
but making an entire batch at home would be too much for one person.
The leftovers would go on for an eternity.

--
Cindy Hamilton

S Viemeister

2024-12-04 14:41:30 UTC

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 09:42:21 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton
How old are you? What's the food of your culture like -- especially
the foods it didn't borrow from Indonesia?

potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

Before the 60s, I would think. I spent a couple of months in Amsterdam
in the early 60s, and Indonesian restaurants were already
well-established then.

Dave Smith

2024-12-04 17:40:56 UTC

Post by Bruce
potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

Before the 60s, I would think. I spent a couple of months in Amsterdam
in the early 60s, and Indonesian restaurants were already well-
established then.

My son and his wife were in Amsterdam last week. They were only there
for five days and spent one day going up to the north to see family
homes. They had dinner in Indonesian restaurants three times. There were
lots of them around and handy to their hotel.

There is only one place around here that offers Indonesian food. It is
actually a Chinese restaurant but they have Indonesian food as well,
including rice table. It is in a town with a lot of Dutch people.

Bruce

2024-12-04 18:02:39 UTC

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 12:40:56 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Bruce
potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

Before the 60s, I would think. I spent a couple of months in Amsterdam
in the early 60s, and Indonesian restaurants were already well-
established then.

My son and his wife were in Amsterdam last week. They were only there
for five days and spent one day going up to the north to see family
homes. They had dinner in Indonesian restaurants three times. There were
lots of them around and handy to their hotel.
There is only one place around here that offers Indonesian food. It is
actually a Chinese restaurant but they have Indonesian food as well,
including rice table. It is in a town with a lot of Dutch people.

Chinese-Indonesian restaurants were and maybe still are very common in
NL.

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

Bruce

2024-12-04 18:01:28 UTC

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:41:30 +0000, S Viemeister

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 09:42:21 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton
How old are you? What's the food of your culture like -- especially
the foods it didn't borrow from Indonesia?

potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

Before the 60s, I would think. I spent a couple of months in Amsterdam
in the early 60s, and Indonesian restaurants were already
well-established then.

Yes and often a combination of Chinese and Indonesian, by Chinese
people. But in people's homes there was only Indonesian food if they
had a specific connection with the country: years spent there, one or
more parents or grandparents from there etc. My mother was born there
so I was lucky.

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

S Viemeister

2024-12-04 19:29:47 UTC

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:41:30 +0000, S Viemeister

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 09:42:21 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton
How old are you? What's the food of your culture like -- especially
the foods it didn't borrow from Indonesia?

potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

Before the 60s, I would think. I spent a couple of months in Amsterdam
in the early 60s, and Indonesian restaurants were already
well-established then.

Yes, you were lucky!
I really enjoyed the food in the Indonesian eateries. But do you not
think that Dutch folk who enjoyed that food would have tried to copy it
at home? I know that's what I did with the Indian foods I tried while at
college in Edinburgh. I think I got rather good at it, too! I mix my own
spices, rather than relying on commercial mixes.

Bruce

2024-12-04 19:50:14 UTC

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 19:29:47 +0000, S Viemeister

Post by Bruce
Yes and often a combination of Chinese and Indonesian, by Chinese
people. But in people's homes there was only Indonesian food if they
had a specific connection with the country: years spent there, one or
more parents or grandparents from there etc. My mother was born there
so I was lucky.

Yes, people would make their versions of nasi goreng and maybe satay.
Everything calmed down with regards to hotness and probably lacking
some of the Indonesian spices. But I don't think it went much further
than that, unless they had a special interest.

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

Dave Smith

2024-12-04 22:18:40 UTC

Post by S Viemeister
Yes, you were lucky!
I really enjoyed the food in the Indonesian eateries. But do you not
think that Dutch folk who enjoyed that food would have tried to copy it
at home? I know that's what I did with the Indian foods I tried while at
college in Edinburgh. I think I got rather good at it, too! I mix my own
spices, rather than relying on commercial mixes.

My wife had a cousin whose father was in the Dutch foreign service. He
spent most of his youth in places like England and the US but also lived
in Indonesia for a number of years. He was quite the cook we used to get
together frequently for dinner and one time he did an Indonesian dinner.

Hank Rogers

2024-12-04 22:31:15 UTC

Post by S Viemeister
Yes, you were lucky!
I really enjoyed the food in the Indonesian eateries. But do you not
think that Dutch folk who enjoyed that food would have tried to copy
it at home? I know that's what I did with the Indian foods I tried
while at college in Edinburgh. I think I got rather good at it, too! I
mix my own spices, rather than relying on commercial mixes.

What did he cook for you Dave? Quit taunting us and give us the full
story, dammit!

2024-12-04 21:45:26 UTC

Post by Bruce
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 09:42:21 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton
How old are you? What's the food of your culture like -- especially
the foods it didn't borrow from Indonesia?

potatoes, a vegetable, a meat. Not unlike English peasant food. Times
started changing during or just after the 60s.

Before the 60s, I would think. I spent a couple of months in Amsterdam in the
early 60s, and Indonesian restaurants were already well-established then.

In Amsterdam I have the best indonesian and chinese food in all of europe.
Absolutely amazing!

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-04 09:49:19 UTC

It's funny. I never get gravy out of any pork or beef I roast,
and not much out of poultry. All those juices stay inside the meat.
What cut of pork was that?

The sum total of our leftover turkey gravy was probably about as
much as we see in that picture. Neither of us does a gravy
swamp. I put a little on the meat; he puts some on the dressing,
which I feel can stand on its own since it was cooked inside the
turkey.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Leonard Blaisdell

2024-12-05 22:50:50 UTC

Post by Cindy Hamilton
It's funny. I never get gravy out of any pork or beef I roast,
and not much out of poultry. All those juices stay inside the meat.
What cut of pork was that?

It's a single pork tenderloin strap, cut in half and tied together to
make it thicker (and shorter). I brown it and toss it in the oven at
350F for about an hour and twenty minutes in a S/S skillet, uncovered.
The pork may be a little overdone, but there's plenty of drippings for
gravy.

Dave Smith

2024-12-05 23:12:01 UTC

Post by Cindy Hamilton
It's funny. I never get gravy out of any pork or beef I roast,
and not much out of poultry. All those juices stay inside the meat.
What cut of pork was that?

I have fond memories of roast pork dinners back in the 1950s and 60s
when they were cooked with the cracking and sometimes with dressing. I
don't think that pork gravy was as good as beef gravy but a little bit
on the meat, potatoes and maybe the vegetables was a nice touch.

Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good. I
lost my interest in pork roasts and chops. Then I went to visit my niece
in Estonia and she served us pork and said we would like it because it
was like the pork we used to get here. She was right. It was excellent.

Michael Trew

2024-12-07 17:01:02 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Dave Smith

2024-12-07 17:22:34 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Pork used to be really tasty but was high in fat and considered to a bit
of a health risk. They have developed pork with less fat. That affected
the texture and the taste negatively.

clams casino

2024-12-07 17:54:19 UTC

They have developed pork with less fat. That affected the texture and
the taste negatively.

Berkshire pig - word.

Carol

2024-12-07 22:57:02 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Pork used to be really tasty but was high in fat and considered to a
bit of a health risk. They have developed pork with less fat. That
affected the texture and the taste negatively.

Agreed. I don't know what they did but I kinda giggle to think of them
working out on treadmills (snicker).

Hank Rogers

2024-12-08 00:49:25 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Pork used to be really tasty but was high in fat and considered to a
bit of a health risk. They have developed pork with less fat. That
affected the texture and the taste negatively.

Agreed. I don't know what they did but I kinda giggle to think of them
working out on treadmills (snicker).

Nope, they had thousands of retired sailors screw the hell out of the
pigs in the feedlot before slaughter. And they gave those pigs huge
injections of Semaglutide each day. They come out pretty slender.

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-08 10:00:31 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Pork used to be really tasty but was high in fat and considered to a
bit of a health risk. They have developed pork with less fat. That
affected the texture and the taste negatively.

Agreed. I don't know what they did

Genetics and feed. Breeding leaner pigs together, feeding
them diets high in protein and low in fat, and using feed additives
like ractopamine.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-07 18:50:03 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Less fat. For decades, pigs have been bred to have less
intramuscular fat.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Carol

2024-12-07 22:55:41 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?). They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?

Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

2024-12-08 10:34:05 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?). They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more fat.
The very lean ones are not very good.

clams casino

2024-12-08 17:15:38 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?). They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more fat.
The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

2024-12-08 20:58:37 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?).Â They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more fat.
The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Thank you very much for the tip! This is hopefully stored in the good old
brain for next time! =)

clams casino

2024-12-08 21:34:55 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?). They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more
fat. The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Thank you very much for the tip! This is hopefully stored in the good
old brain for next time! =)

I'm going to have to try your Swedish flat pancake pork both ways - salt
pork and shoulder.

Yeah that danged recipe is a keeper!

👨🏻‍🍳 👌

2024-12-09 10:02:30 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more fat.
The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Thank you very much for the tip! This is hopefully stored in the good old
brain for next time! =)

I'm going to have to try your Swedish flat pancake pork both ways - salt pork
and shoulder.
Yeah that danged recipe is a keeper!
ðšð»âð³ ð

I'm happy to hear it! =) Please let me know once you try it if you like
it! =)

clams casino

2024-12-09 17:39:28 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?). They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more
fat. The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Thank you very much for the tip! This is hopefully stored in the good
old brain for next time! =)

I'm going to have to try your Swedish flat pancake pork both ways -
salt pork and shoulder.
Yeah that danged recipe is a keeper!
👨🏻‍🍳 👌

I'm happy to hear it! =) Please let me know once you try it if you like
it! =)

Will do, why I will even brave postimg and send a pic along too!

Gruyere today, Swedish flat pancake tomorrow...

🧇

dsi1

2024-12-08 21:19:05 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?). They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more fat.
The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Indeed, stay away from pork loin. Go for the pork shoulder and belly
instead. The loin i.e., the other white meat, is just boring. Here's
some Okinawan rafute. When you make it right, you can cut it with
chopsticks. It's not easy to make right. I've done it occasionally.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/J7MjrgDj8WvbagCQ7

clams casino

2024-12-08 21:40:50 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?). They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more fat.
The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Oh yes - 1 word = unctuous!

dsi1

2024-12-09 19:49:27 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?). They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more fat.
The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Oh yes - 1 word = unctuous!

If you make it correctly it is! It's not that easy though. I think
Korean/Japanese/Chinese pork belly is different from American pork
belly. The fat distribution is different. Cooking rafute is interesting.
If you add all the shoyu too early the belly gets tough. I probably
should have spent more time cooking with my aunt.

clams casino

2024-12-09 23:44:15 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I think for
you?). They started doing something with pigs to be somewhat less
fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are leaner.
They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more fat.
The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Oh yes - 1 word = unctuous!

I think you are doing just fine as it is.

But to your point, there is a wide variance in pork bellies as I found
trying to make my own bacon up.

Gotta lot to learn, and the pork belies from the Mexican grocer are a
much thicker and harder fat band than I was expecting.

Then again their oxtails are twice the size of Wal Mart's, so it evens
out over time, lol.

2024-12-09 10:00:37 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with more fat.
The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Ahhh.... porkbelly is the Donald Trump of pork!!

Rafute is very good! There's a tiny place close to the train tracks that
does it, and I love it! Sadly the wife thinks the place looks too crappy
to go there often, but from time to time, I sneak away for my fix.

dsi1

2024-12-09 20:25:28 UTC

Post by D
Ahhh.... porkbelly is the Donald Trump of pork!!
Rafute is very good! There's a tiny place close to the train tracks that
does it, and I love it! Sadly the wife thinks the place looks too crappy
to go there often, but from time to time, I sneak away for my fix.

Wives - they're just so squeamish. Pig farmers have always been looked
down upon. The Okinawans were considered to be inferior, dirty, and low
class by the Japanese because they raised pigs. The best you could say
about pork is that it's cheaper than beef. These days, I mostly buy
ground pork. I love pork belly but don't typically cook it.

Pigs, chickens, and dogs, were the main meat source that the voyagers
brought with them to Hawaii in ancient times. Compared to a cow, pigs
are a lot more portable. Of course, the old Hawaiians never saw cattle.
Good thing - those critters would certainly rock the boat.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SYL7Dqh2eLHSueGu7

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2024-12-09 23:45:27 UTC

Wives - they're just so squeamish. Pig farmers have always been looked
down upon. The Okinawans were considered to be inferior, dirty, and low
class by the Japanese because they raised pigs. The best you could say
about pork is that it's cheaper than beef. These days, I mostly buy
ground pork. I love pork belly but don't typically cook it.
Pigs, chickens, and dogs, were the main meat source that the voyagers
brought with them to Hawaii in ancient times. Compared to a cow, pigs
are a lot more portable. Of course, the old Hawaiians never saw cattle.
Good thing - those critters would certainly rock the boat.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SYL7Dqh2eLHSueGu7

ദ്ദി ˉ͈̀꒳ˉ͈́ )✧

Carol

2024-12-09 16:26:43 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I
think for you?). They started doing something with pigs to be
somewhat less fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are
leaner. They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with
more fat. The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Pork loin is also good but not as fatty and tricky to get just right.
I've posted lots of pictures of it.

https://postimg.cc/VdFNYtqh

Trick is don't overcook it.

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2024-12-09 17:49:33 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't
taste as good.

What does that mean?

Big movement at the height of the 'fat-free' era (JR High I
think for you?). They started doing something with pigs to be
somewhat less fatty or something?
Obviously pork overall isn't lean but a lot of the cuts now are
leaner. They also trim more fat off than they used to.

This is very bad. When I buy my pork, I try to buy pieces with
more fat. The very lean ones are not very good.

Pork shoulder is the way to go!

Pork loin is also good but not as fatty and tricky to get just right.
I've posted lots of pictures of it.
https://postimg.cc/VdFNYtqh
Trick is don't overcook it.

+1

Nice and juicy pink!

Jill McQuown

2024-12-08 19:49:46 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Several decades ago, pork fat was deemed "unhealthy" so pig farmers
started raising leaner pigs. The meat doesn't taste nearly as good and
is one reason people complain about it being so easy to quickly
over-cook to the point of being dry. Of course they also thought pork
should be cooked to an extremely high internal temperature (to avoid
trichinosis) in order to be "safe". At one point a long way back that
was likely true. But for the most part the pork farmers f'd up pork.
Ask your mother or your grandmother; they'll know.

Jill

Dave Smith

2024-12-08 20:06:25 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

I thought that it was interesting to hear my niece's comment about
Estonian pork was more like thee pork we used to get in Ontario. I
didn't think that she was old enough to remember how good it used to be
because she was born in 1962 and would have been pretty young when they
traded flavour for health. Then there is the issue of her mother's
cooking, and nothing that woman cooked tasted good.

Hank Rogers

2024-12-08 20:42:24 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Several decades ago, pork fat was deemed "unhealthy" so pig farmers
started raising leaner pigs.Â The meat doesn't taste nearly as good
and is one reason people complain about it being so easy to quickly
over-cook to the point of being dry.Â Of course they also thought
pork should be cooked to an extremely high internal temperature (to
avoid trichinosis) in order to be "safe".Â At one point a long way
back that was likely true.Â But for the most part the pork farmers
f'd up pork. Ask your mother or your grandmother; they'll know.

I'm surprised Big Niece would have noticed anything about pork she
shoved into her maw, after grabbing off someone's plate.

heyjoe

2024-12-08 21:15:50 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
I thought that it was interesting to hear my niece's comment about
Estonian pork was more like thee pork we used to get in Ontario. I
didn't think that she was old enough to remember how good it used to be
because she was born in 1962 and would have been pretty young when they
traded flavour for health. Then there is the issue of her mother's
cooking, and nothing that woman cooked tasted good.

See if any of your local butchers sell heritage pork. If you're
lucky, thye'll have access to several heritage breeds.
https://www.thespruceeats.com/heritage-hog-breeds-2216899

--
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If you don't follow groupthink, you must be silenced and/or
ridiculed.

dsi1

2024-12-08 21:48:34 UTC

Post by heyjoe

See if any of your local butchers sell heritage pork. If you're
lucky, thye'll have access to several heritage breeds.
https://www.thespruceeats.com/heritage-hog-breeds-2216899

Berkshire pigs - here's a guy that actually raised them.

Michael Trew

2024-12-09 04:02:33 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

That might explain why I've never been a fan of pork. If it's up to me,
the only pork cooked here is occasional pulled pork sandwiches, low and
slow in a crock pot. I can't say I've ever tasted a pork chop that I
enjoyed.

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-09 09:48:45 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Lean cuts of pork (loin, tenderloin) are good when they're not
overcooked -- still showing a hint of pink in the middle. The
flavor is delicate, almost like that of veal.

--
Cindy Hamilton

BryanGSimmons

2024-12-09 12:38:27 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

I thought that it was interesting to hear my niece's comment about
Estonian pork was more like thee pork we used to get in Ontario. I
didn't think that she was old enough to remember how good it used to
be because she was born in 1962 and would have been pretty young when
they traded flavour for health.

Pork is still plenty fatty. The differences in flavor have to do with
what the pigs are fed. Your not liking pork has nothing to do with less
fat. A lot of folks don't like pork. I don't like goat, including goat
milk/cheese.

--
--Bryan
For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
tested on laboratory animals.

"Most of the food described here is nauseating.
We're just too courteous to say so."
-- Cindy Hamilton

Carol

2024-12-09 16:51:28 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

I thought that it was interesting to hear my niece's comment about
Estonian pork was more like thee pork we used to get in Ontario. I
didn't think that she was old enough to remember how good it used
to be because she was born in 1962 and would have been pretty
young when they traded flavour for health.

That might explain why I've never been a fan of pork. If it's up to
me, the only pork cooked here is occasional pulled pork sandwiches,
low and slow in a crock pot. I can't say I've ever tasted a pork
chop that I enjoyed.

I gave up on pork chops. Too lean now. I have no issues with pork
loin though, just cook to the rare or medium rare. They sell whole
ones here and I have the butcher cut it to roughly 1inch think, getting
17-20 steaks typically at 1.19lb.

Hot pan, 5 min ine side, 3 more after flipping, remove and slice fast
to stop cooking. Cast Iron is perfect as you won't get that drop inpan
heat when you drop them in.

For serving, 1 steak does Don and I. We do 2 when Charlotte is home
and have leftovers.

https://postimg.cc/VdFNYtqh

You'd probably use 2 steaks for the 4 of you (infants on milk). If you
put a 3rd one on, you would definately have leftovers.

Here's one of many marinades you might like:

3 TB soy sauce
3 TB Apple cider vinegar
4 TB BBQ sauce of choice (I use a store brand hickory one)

(I kept it simple and likely in your kitchen).

Marinade in that for 30min-overnight. Preheat your thickest pan then
drop them in with the marinade (so it's also a cooking sauce).

Leftovers are nice cold or nuke 30 seconds. Slice thinner and layer on
bread with mustard (mayo optional). I add raw bok choy whites for
crunch but lettuce is fine.

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2024-12-09 17:50:10 UTC

Post by Carol
I gave up on pork chops. Too lean now.

Brine and recover the humble chops!

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-09 18:25:13 UTC

Post by Carol
I gave up on pork chops. Too lean now. I have no issues with pork
loin though

Pork chops are cut from pork loin.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Bruce

2024-12-09 18:52:33 UTC

On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 18:25:13 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Carol
I gave up on pork chops. Too lean now. I have no issues with pork
loin though

Pork chops are cut from pork loin.

Ghe ghe. I'm looking forward to the weaseling. "I knew that of course,
but..."

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

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Post by Carol
I gave up on pork chops. Too lean now. I have no issues with pork
loin though

Pork chops are cut from pork loin.

💨જ⁀➴

Ed P

2024-12-10 02:28:58 UTC

Post by Carol
I gave up on pork chops. Too lean now. I have no issues with pork
loin though

Pork chops are cut from pork loin.

Yes, two types. Bone in and boneless. Amazing that they have been able
to breed pigs with no bones in the loin. I guess they need them in the
legs to walk though.

Dave Smith

2024-12-10 02:46:54 UTC

I gave up on pork chops. Too lean now. I have no issues with pork
loin though

Pork chops are cut from pork loin.

Yes, two types. Bone in and boneless. Amazing that they have been able
to breed pigs with no bones in the loin. I guess they need them in the
legs to walk though.

They were able to do it with chicken so it was just a matter of time
before they applied the technology to hogs.

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2024-12-09 17:26:49 UTC

I can't say I've ever tasted a pork chop that I enjoyed.

Brine them first and be amazed.

🥩

dsi1

2024-12-09 18:31:14 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

Pork has a flavor that some people might find unappealing. It's the
nature of the beast. When my aunt taught me to cook shoyu pork, she said
to boil it first and then drain the water and then continue cooking with
fresh water. She called it a "dirty meat." She might have been talking
about the scum the pork produces or maybe the smell of the cooking meat.
Sometimes, when boiling pork, that offensive smell permeates the house.
What can you do about it? Nuttin.

These days, pork is probably a lot milder but you can't change its basic
nature.

Jill McQuown

2024-12-10 04:05:34 UTC

Post by Dave Smith
Then they started to make pork healthier and it didn't taste as good.

What does that mean?

I thought that it was interesting to hear my niece's comment about
Estonian pork was more like thee pork we used to get in Ontario. I
didn't think that she was old enough to remember how good it used to
be because she was born in 1962 and would have been pretty young when
they traded flavour for health.

Well Dave, I was born in 1960 and I remember pork chops and other cuts
of pork that had more fat and flavour. I seem to recall it was in the
1980's that someone started bitching about pork fat being "unhealthy".
It was after that pork had a lot less fat. That was around the same
time people starting saying "use ground turkey" in place of ground beef.
"Healthier"? Doesn't taste like anything.

Oh, you can still buy pork chops with a bit of fat on them. Season them
well and don't overcook them. Or quickly brown them then simmer in
broth/stock (chicken or beef) until tender. Add a cornstarch roux to
make a gravy.

Jill

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2024-12-08 20:11:49 UTC

The meat doesn't taste nearly as good and is one reason people complain
about it being so easy to quickly over-cook to the point of being dry.

Easily handled with a nice wet brine:

Top tip: Add a TBSP of cider vinegar, peppercorns, and a dash of ground
allspice.

Magic.

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-06 10:07:18 UTC

Post by Cindy Hamilton
It's funny. I never get gravy out of any pork or beef I roast,
and not much out of poultry. All those juices stay inside the meat.
What cut of pork was that?

Yeah, I'd rather have my pork a little pink inside and not get the gravy.
That's 25-30 minutes at 425 F, to an internal temp of 145 F.

"Himself" has asked for rib roast sometime this month. That gets
several hours at 250 F. I'm supposed to reverse sear it, but it's
always acceptably brown on the outside.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Bruce

2024-12-06 10:19:00 UTC

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 10:07:18 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton
It's funny. I never get gravy out of any pork or beef I roast,
and not much out of poultry. All those juices stay inside the meat.
What cut of pork was that?

Yeah, I'd rather have my pork a little pink inside and not get the gravy.
That's 25-30 minutes at 425 F, to an internal temp of 145 F.
"Himself" has asked for rib roast sometime this month. That gets
several hours at 250 F. I'm supposed to reverse sear it, but it's
always acceptably brown on the outside.

I hope "Herself" likes rib roast too.

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

Cindy Hamilton

2024-12-06 13:08:09 UTC

Post by Bruce
On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 10:07:18 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton
It's funny. I never get gravy out of any pork or beef I roast,
and not much out of poultry. All those juices stay inside the meat.
What cut of pork was that?

Yeah, I'd rather have my pork a little pink inside and not get the gravy.
That's 25-30 minutes at 425 F, to an internal temp of 145 F.
"Himself" has asked for rib roast sometime this month. That gets
several hours at 250 F. I'm supposed to reverse sear it, but it's
always acceptably brown on the outside.

I hope "Herself" likes rib roast too.

Oh, she does. She also likes the twice-baked potatoes that "himself"
makes to go along with it.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Bruce

2024-12-06 18:21:33 UTC

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 13:08:09 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Bruce
On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 10:07:18 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton
It's funny. I never get gravy out of any pork or beef I roast,
and not much out of poultry. All those juices stay inside the meat.
What cut of pork was that?

Yeah, I'd rather have my pork a little pink inside and not get the gravy.
That's 25-30 minutes at 425 F, to an internal temp of 145 F.
"Himself" has asked for rib roast sometime this month. That gets
several hours at 250 F. I'm supposed to reverse sear it, but it's
always acceptably brown on the outside.

I hope "Herself" likes rib roast too.

Oh, she does. She also likes the twice-baked potatoes that "himself"
makes to go along with it.

Good :)

--
Bruce
<https://i.postimg.cc/zf7JhPvB/the-lord-of-the-rings.jpg>

Carol

2024-12-03 18:20:36 UTC

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
Two old people and a thirteen pound turkey.

Grin, lotta Turkey casserole and Turkey pot pie!

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