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ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-20 22:19:56 UTC
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Kroger has butter on sale for $2.99 per pound with
their shoppers card. 🐮

I'll have to check my freezer and see if I can
squeeze in another couple of pounds.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-20 22:22:26 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price. Limit of 5 pounds.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-20 22:30:51 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
Bruce
2024-11-20 23:04:30 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
Yes, the deep state wants to know how much butter Joan buys. Drain
the swamp!
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Hank Rogers
2024-11-20 23:33:20 UTC
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Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
Yes, the deep state wants to know how much butter Joan buys. Drain
the swamp!
I thought they had assigned you, Master.

And you're doing a damn fine job. Not a spec of dust on joan's sphincter.
Hank Rogers
2024-11-20 23:08:52 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
Same as google and thousands of other companies inspired by the ferengi.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 00:03:03 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
Same as google and thousands of other companies inspired by the ferengi.
They should be honest and change its gender back to darpanet.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 00:10:50 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
Same as google and thousands of other companies inspired by the ferengi.
Like pornhub.

𓀐𓂸📹


https://thejewishindependent.com.au/a-rabbi-is-overseeing-pornhub-thats-actually-not-so-weird

Solomon Friedman was ordained as an Orthodox rabbi but his day job is a
lawyer and his passion is making pornography ethical.


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ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-20 23:08:40 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
They can track my landline??? ☎️
Who'd thunk it?
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 00:02:26 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
They can track my landline???  ☎️
Who'd thunk it?
Your landline does digital coupons?

Where is this fresh magic please?
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-21 00:53:09 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
They can track my landline???  ☎️
Who'd thunk it?
Your landline does digital coupons?
Where is this fresh magic please?
No, but through magic and voodoo my laptop does
digital coupons.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 17:07:42 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
They can track my landline???  ☎️
Who'd thunk it?
Your landline does digital coupons?
Where is this fresh magic please?
No, but through magic and voodoo my laptop does
digital coupons.
Kinda clunky to take to the store...the Smart Monitoring And Tracking
devices is much more portable.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-21 20:34:41 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
They can track my landline???  ☎️
Who'd thunk it?
Your landline does digital coupons?
Where is this fresh magic please?
No, but through magic and voodoo my laptop does
digital coupons.
Kinda clunky to take to the store...the Smart Monitoring And Tracking
devices is much more portable.
All those bargains are downloaded to my shoppers card.
It probably doesn't even weigh a gram.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 20:48:26 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
They can track my landline???  ☎️
Who'd thunk it?
Your landline does digital coupons?
Where is this fresh magic please?
No, but through magic and voodoo my laptop does
digital coupons.
Kinda clunky to take to the store...the Smart Monitoring And Tracking
devices is much more portable.
All those bargains are downloaded to my shoppers card.
It probably doesn't even weigh a gram.
Some major grocers have made the "loyalty card" and it's web specials
separate from their digital coupons, which all process through the app
on one's phone and require scanning items in store while shopping.

Monstrously inefficient and offensive also to be doing the tattling on
oneself in real time.

Perhaps your chain is less snoopy...
f***@sdf.org
2024-11-21 13:57:20 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
100% this. eventfully all that tracking and data collection will
be used by medical insurance companies to limit or deny payments
for healthcare based on the food you purchase.
--
SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org
Cindy Hamilton
2024-11-21 15:18:50 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
100% this. eventfully all that tracking and data collection will
be used by medical insurance companies to limit or deny payments
for healthcare based on the food you purchase.
Eventually, we'll all be dead.

I just can't be bothered to worry about my insurance company
knowing I buy three pounds of skinless, boneless, chicken breast
every week.
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f***@sdf.org
2024-11-21 16:04:19 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
100% this. eventfully all that tracking and data collection will
be used by medical insurance companies to limit or deny payments
for healthcare based on the food you purchase.
Eventually, we'll all be dead.
I just can't be bothered to worry about my insurance company
knowing I buy three pounds of skinless, boneless, chicken breast
every week.
there will be very negative consequences of the surveillance society
we now live in i believe. i also believe i will live to see it
because the incoming fourth reich is going to accelerate it.

i'm not at all concerned about what i eat being tracked but i
personally know a whole lot people who should be. but i still
choose to opt out of the tracking. for food we always pay cash.
when in public we wear masks mostly because there's video cameras
everywhere. lately i've been thinking about letting my bjs
membership expire because they keep a history of everything
purchased.

paranoid? yes? crazy lunatic? probably. moslty invisible in tracking
databases? absolutely. :)
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Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 18:24:53 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
100% this. eventfully all that tracking and data collection will
be used by medical insurance companies to limit or deny payments
for healthcare based on the food you purchase.
Eventually, we'll all be dead.
I just can't be bothered to worry about my insurance company
knowing I buy three pounds of skinless, boneless, chicken breast
every week.
there will be very negative consequences of the surveillance society
we now live in i believe. i also believe i will live to see it
because the incoming fourth reich is going to accelerate it.
Godwins Law for you clownshow, bugger off.
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i'm not at all concerned about what i eat being tracked but i
personally know a whole lot people who should be. but i still
choose to opt out of the tracking. for food we always pay cash.
when in public we wear masks mostly because there's video cameras
everywhere. lately i've been thinking about letting my bjs
membership expire because they keep a history of everything
purchased.
paranoid? yes? crazy lunatic? probably. moslty invisible in tracking
databases? absolutely. :)
Those masks won't save your privacy one tiny bit if you travel by any
modality other than foot.

Get real.
D
2024-11-21 20:48:20 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
100% this. eventfully all that tracking and data collection will
be used by medical insurance companies to limit or deny payments
for healthcare based on the food you purchase.
It will also be used by the IRS to take what it wants without any income
tax declaration, and by the government to find you if you are against the
government.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 21:10:45 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
100% this. eventfully all that tracking and data collection will
be used by medical insurance companies to limit or deny payments
for healthcare based on the food you purchase.
It will also be used by the IRS to take what it wants without any income
tax declaration, and by the government to find you if you are against
the government.
+1

You know deep state gaming quite well.
D
2024-11-22 09:34:28 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
100% this. eventfully all that tracking and data collection will
be used by medical insurance companies to limit or deny payments
for healthcare based on the food you purchase.
It will also be used by the IRS to take what it wants without any income
tax declaration, and by the government to find you if you are against the
government.
+1
You know deep state gaming quite well.
Oh yes... being from sweden I've had plenty of chances to study how a
government enforces a socialist narrative on the population through brain
washing over decades! =(
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-22 20:11:49 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
It's all about tracking your every move, by phone or interwebs.
100% this. eventfully all that tracking and data collection will
be used by medical insurance companies to limit or deny payments
for healthcare based on the food you purchase.
It will also be used by the IRS to take what it wants without any
income tax declaration, and by the government to find you if you are
against the government.
+1
You know deep state gaming quite well.
Oh yes... being from sweden I've had plenty of chances to study how a
government enforces a socialist narrative on the population through
brain washing over decades! =(
It's so pernicious because (like carbon monoxide) it's an odorless,
colorless asphyxiation of liberties.
Hank Rogers
2024-11-20 23:07:22 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-20 23:44:43 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy. I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
Hank Rogers
2024-11-20 23:52:52 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy.  I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
My wife likes kroger too (and pubix)

I'd be happy with a good general store. No hoops to jump through.
gm
2024-11-21 00:11:16 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy.  I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
My wife likes kroger too (and pubix)
I'd be happy with a good general store. No hoops to jump through.
Squallmart fits the bill for that...

They even have my fave Bar S balooney YUM...!!!

[ and "pubix"...!!!??? ]

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Hank Rogers
2024-11-21 00:18:15 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy.  I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
My wife likes kroger too (and pubix)
I'd be happy with a good general store. No hoops to jump through.
Squallmart fits the bill for that...
They even have my fave Bar S balooney YUM...!!!
[ and "pubix"...!!!??? ]
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GM
Yoose like bar s?
gm
2024-11-21 00:25:24 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy.  I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
My wife likes kroger too (and pubix)
I'd be happy with a good general store. No hoops to jump through.
Squallmart fits the bill for that...
They even have my fave Bar S balooney YUM...!!!
[ and "pubix"...!!!??? ]
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GM
Yoose like bar s?
I take Allopurinol, so's Bar S don't give me da gout...

Only the very classiest stuff 4 me...



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GM
Hank Rogers
2024-11-21 00:45:14 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy.  I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
My wife likes kroger too (and pubix)
I'd be happy with a good general store. No hoops to jump through.
Squallmart fits the bill for that...
They even have my fave Bar S balooney YUM...!!!
[ and "pubix"...!!!??? ]
--
GM
Yoose like bar s?
I take Allopurinol, so's Bar S don't give me da gout...
Only the very classiest stuff 4 me...
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GM
I hope dr. oz and rfk don't take it off the market.

good luck
D
2024-11-21 10:33:17 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy. I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
They use it to track your every preference and invade your privacy. Don't
sell yourself cheap, make them work for it! I never use discounts, because
my privacy is worth more to me than a few dollars here and there.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 17:36:38 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy.  I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
They use it to track your every preference and invade your privacy.
Don't sell yourself cheap, make them work for it! I never use discounts,
because my privacy is worth more to me than a few dollars here and there.
The real rub is why, what predictive control mechanism needs to know our
preferences in comestibles when big bidnits already has the food chain
in its possession.

The ultimate way to confound them is with a fistful of dollars.


D
2024-11-21 21:45:25 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy.  I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
They use it to track your every preference and invade your privacy. Don't
sell yourself cheap, make them work for it! I never use discounts, because
my privacy is worth more to me than a few dollars here and there.
The real rub is why, what predictive control mechanism needs to know our
preferences in comestibles when big bidnits already has the food chain in its
possession.
The ultimate way to confound them is with a fistful of dollars.
http://youtu.be/Y9nW4w5tHVM
This is the truth! Enjoy them while they are still legal! In sweden there
is a strong movement to abolish physical currency. Fortunately the war in
Ukraine has made the politicians think again, for the moment. But I'm sure
they will continue on the path to complete surveillance and control once
the war in Ukraine has slipped everyones minds.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 21:55:32 UTC
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CORRECTION!!
You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Yep. With kroger, you have to jump through lots of hoops to get a
discount. Fuck it ... not worth it. Like working for $1 per hour wage.
Setting up a shopping account with is easy.  I get some
good coupons not offered elsewhere, plus the gas points.
When checking out I scan the little card on my keyring
and BAM! my discounts are waiting for me to claim them.
They use it to track your every preference and invade your privacy.
Don't sell yourself cheap, make them work for it! I never use
discounts, because my privacy is worth more to me than a few dollars
here and there.
The real rub is why, what predictive control mechanism needs to know
our preferences in comestibles when big bidnits already has the food
chain in its possession.
The ultimate way to confound them is with a fistful of dollars.
http://youtu.be/Y9nW4w5tHVM
This is the truth! Enjoy them while they are still legal! In sweden
there is a strong movement to abolish physical currency. Fortunately the
war in Ukraine has made the politicians think again, for the moment. But
I'm sure they will continue on the path to complete surveillance and
control once the war in Ukraine has slipped everyones minds.
There's a whiff of DOGE in the air - an intentional tell I fear...
Michael Trew
2024-11-21 18:21:15 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Thanks, unfortunately I don't have a Kroger anywhere around. I'm not
sure that I've ever been to one, but I've passed them traveling. I
found some for $3.69 locally, but I expect our local Giant Eagle to put
it on a better sale soon.

With the extra people, I sure go through a lot more butter now. I'm
itching to make creamed chicken over potatoes/biscuits tomorrow. I'm
working from 9 am to about 11 pm today, I'm always too drained to cook
on Thursdays.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-21 20:46:56 UTC
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You have to download their digital coupon to receive
this price.  Limit of 5 pounds.
Thanks, unfortunately I don't have a Kroger anywhere around. I'm not
sure that I've ever been to one, but I've passed them traveling. I
found some for $3.69 locally, but I expect our local Giant Eagle to put
it on a better sale soon.
With the extra people, I sure go through a lot more butter now. I'm
itching to make creamed chicken over potatoes/biscuits tomorrow. I'm
working from 9 am to about 11 pm today, I'm always too drained to cook
on Thursdays.
Well phooey! I thought for sure with Kroger's headquarters
located in Cincinnati, Ohio would be overrun with their
stores.

Aldi has it for $3.49 per pound, limit 6.
S Viemeister
2024-11-21 02:38:28 UTC
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Kroger has butter on sale for $2.99 per pound with
their shoppers card.  🐮
I'll have to check my freezer and see if I can
squeeze in another couple of pounds.
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-21 03:30:57 UTC
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Kroger has butter on sale for $2.99 per pound with
their shoppers card.  🐮
I'll have to check my freezer and see if I can
squeeze in another couple of pounds.
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area. Great price, though!
Dave Smith
2024-11-21 04:11:47 UTC
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I'll have to check my freezer and see if I can
squeeze in another couple of pounds.
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
It looks like they only have a couple dozen stores in the US and the are
basically along the east coast from New York down to Georgia.
Ed P
2024-11-21 04:23:37 UTC
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Kroger has butter on sale for $2.99 per pound with
their shoppers card.  🐮
I'll have to check my freezer and see if I can
squeeze in another couple of pounds.
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region. Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles. So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.

https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
Bruce
2024-11-21 04:34:38 UTC
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Kroger has butter on sale for $2.99 per pound with
their shoppers card.  🐮
I'll have to check my freezer and see if I can
squeeze in another couple of pounds.
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region. Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles. So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
Well, Joan's a butter wholesaler.
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ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-21 05:18:54 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region. Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles. So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
D
2024-11-21 10:38:58 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region. Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles. So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
In europe, lidl is moving into cloud services. It will be interesting to
see if they will be able to make a dent in the marketshare of amazon and
microsoft.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 17:40:40 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region.  Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles.  So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
In europe, lidl is moving into cloud services. It will be interesting to
see if they will be able to make a dent in the marketshare of amazon and
microsoft.
This creeps me out:



Oddly...thankfully...it seems to have failed:



I'm embarrassed to admit I wish I'd been able to test one out.
D
2024-11-21 21:47:50 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region.  Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles.  So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
In europe, lidl is moving into cloud services. It will be interesting to
see if they will be able to make a dent in the marketshare of amazon and
microsoft.
http://youtu.be/-6XmszZChOY
http://youtu.be/Pq1tEZ08le8
I'm embarrassed to admit I wish I'd been able to test one out.
My feeling is that in the end, they had to have lots of people sitting
watching video screens to avoid people stealing, so it probably became too
expensive.

In sweden, supermarkets are more and more reducing self-checkout counters,
since theft is skyrocketing. Personally I don't really mind it, since I
never get along with those things and it ends up taking about as long as a
regular cashier, except I am the one to do all the work.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 21:57:40 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region.  Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles.  So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
In europe, lidl is moving into cloud services. It will be interesting
to see if they will be able to make a dent in the marketshare of
amazon and microsoft.
http://youtu.be/-6XmszZChOY
http://youtu.be/Pq1tEZ08le8
I'm embarrassed to admit I wish I'd been able to test one out.
My feeling is that in the end, they had to have lots of people sitting
watching video screens to avoid people stealing, so it probably became
too expensive.
In sweden, supermarkets are more and more reducing self-checkout
counters, since theft is skyrocketing. Personally I don't really mind
it, since I never get along with those things and it ends up taking
about as long as a regular cashier, except I am the one to do all the work.
We used to have a chain named Cub Foods - back in the early 1980s they
"pioneered" lower prices for the shopper loading the conveyor and
packing their own bags.

Now we end up doing that because hiring is low.

:-(
D
2024-11-22 09:33:29 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region.  Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles.  So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
In europe, lidl is moving into cloud services. It will be interesting to
see if they will be able to make a dent in the marketshare of amazon and
microsoft.
http://youtu.be/-6XmszZChOY
http://youtu.be/Pq1tEZ08le8
I'm embarrassed to admit I wish I'd been able to test one out.
My feeling is that in the end, they had to have lots of people sitting
watching video screens to avoid people stealing, so it probably became too
expensive.
In sweden, supermarkets are more and more reducing self-checkout counters,
since theft is skyrocketing. Personally I don't really mind it, since I
never get along with those things and it ends up taking about as long as a
regular cashier, except I am the one to do all the work.
We used to have a chain named Cub Foods - back in the early 1980s they
"pioneered" lower prices for the shopper loading the conveyor and packing
their own bags.
Now we end up doing that because hiring is low.
:-(
Amen! And with higher prices as well! =(
Ed P
2024-11-21 12:36:57 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region.  Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles.  So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-
store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
I had to look it up

Lidl, a German discount chain, opened its first stores in the United
States in June 2017 in Virginia Beach, Virginia and other mid-Atlantic
cities
Bruce
2024-11-21 17:42:28 UTC
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Post by S Viemeister
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region.  Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles.  So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-
store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
I had to look it up
Lidl, a German discount chain, opened its first stores in the United
States in June 2017 in Virginia Beach, Virginia and other mid-Atlantic
cities
Wasn't Virginia Beach that city where they sell cast iron pans in sets
of three?
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2024-11-22 10:41:25 UTC
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Lidl, a German discount chain, opened its first stores in the United
States in June 2017 in Virginia Beach, Virginia and other mid-Atlantic
cities
Wasn't Virginia Beach that city where they sell cast iron pans in sets
of three?
Many years ago, I was gifted a set of 3 "Martha Stewart" cast iron pans.
I don't use them.
Bruce
2024-11-22 10:43:28 UTC
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Lidl, a German discount chain, opened its first stores in the United
States in June 2017 in Virginia Beach, Virginia and other mid-Atlantic
cities
Wasn't Virginia Beach that city where they sell cast iron pans in sets
of three?
Many years ago, I was gifted a set of 3 "Martha Stewart" cast iron pans.
I don't use them.
Are you saying cshenkie's right?
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Carol
2024-11-21 21:21:05 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region.  Closest
to me is Atlanta, 500 miles.  So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd
have to buy a lot of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-
store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
I had to look it up
Lidl, a German discount chain, opened its first stores in the United
States in June 2017 in Virginia Beach, Virginia and other
mid-Atlantic cities
That long ago? Ok, there's 6 here now I think but some are areas I
don't go to. I noticed them when they opened on Holland.
Bruce
2024-11-21 21:46:35 UTC
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Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Post by S Viemeister
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region.  Closest
to me is Atlanta, 500 miles.  So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd
have to buy a lot of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-
store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
I had to look it up
Lidl, a German discount chain, opened its first stores in the United
States in June 2017 in Virginia Beach, Virginia and other
mid-Atlantic cities
That long ago? Ok, there's 6 here now I think but some are areas I
don't go to. I noticed them when they opened on Holland.
On Holland? On the island of Holland? On planet Holland?
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2024-11-21 13:11:23 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. ?
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region. Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles. So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.

Janet UK
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2024-11-21 14:18:08 UTC
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are paying the
tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
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2024-11-21 15:29:34 UTC
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are paying the
tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
i'm humored by people who think manufacturing jobs were just eliminated
and shipped overseas. automation has done far more to reduce the number
of jobs available in manufacturing than the "global economy" has.

people think that tariffs will encourage companies to bring jobs
back. the types of jobs these low intelligence creatures are
capable of doing would be done largely with automation. that will
result in few low skill jobs, many very high skill ones, and higher
prices to boot.
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2024-11-21 18:16:26 UTC
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are paying the
tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
i'm humored by people who think manufacturing jobs were just eliminated
and shipped overseas. automation has done far more to reduce the number
of jobs available in manufacturing than the "global economy" has.
people think that tariffs will encourage companies to bring jobs
back. the types of jobs these low intelligence creatures are
capable of doing would be done largely with automation. that will
result in few low skill jobs, many very high skill ones, and higher
prices to boot.
You too are vastly under-educated:

https://prosperousamerica.org/economic-view-tariff-jumping-investment-the-success-of-the-2018-washing-machine-tariffs/

Key Points
The 2018-2023 washing machine tariffs led to a larger, more competitive
U.S.-based residential washer industry, including the creation of over
2,000 new jobs at two Korean-owned companies which opened U.S.
manufacturing facilities in the southern U.S.
Washing machine prices are now below pre-tariff levels, and prices have
risen less than consumer inflation, demonstrating that after a six-month
flurry, tariffs had little to no effect on washing machine prices.
The success of the washing machine tariffs shows that “tariff-jumping
investment,” i.e. inducing domestic industry growth via tariffs is a
viable strategy for the U.S. in industries that have suffered decline.
In January 2018, President Donald Trump imposed tariffs of 20% to 50% on
large residential washing machines. The tariffs expired in February
2023. Six years later, we can make an assessment: the tariffs created
over 2,000 jobs and provided economic growth for the two communities
where Korean appliance makers built factories. They also provided
economic support for Whirlpool, the leading U.S.-headquartered appliance
maker and employer of 23,000 Americans, as well as GE Appliances, which
is today Chinese-owned and employs 16,000 Americans at Louisville,
Kentucky and other facilities.

Further, washing machine prices, which temporarily surged in the first
half of 2018, came back to earth in 2019 and have continued to rise
significantly less than inflation since. Tariff opponents in the media
and the academic economist community continue to repeat the falsehood
that tariffs raised washing machine prices when over any timeframe other
than a few months, tariffs have had no visible impact on washing machine
prices.

In 2013, the Obama administration imposed tariffs on imported washing
machines from South Korea. This led the Korean producers to shift
production for the U.S. market to China, which led to another
anti-dumping investigation by the U.S. International Trade Commission.
That investigation published a finding in December 2016 that Chinese
washing machines benefited from subsidies (“anti-dumping margins” in the
formal lingo) of 44.28% and recommended duties at that level. The Trump
administration, with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer as the
driving force, decided instead to impose global duties or tariffs on all
imported large residential washing machines, whatever their source. The
duties, imposed in January 2018, started at 20% and once the quota of
1.2 million imported washers was reached, rose to 50%.

For years, the two large importers, Samsung and LG Electronics, had
opposed any import restrictions. But once those tariffs were in place,
the Korean manufacturers quickly changed their tune.

In 2018, LG Electronics completed an investment of $360 million in a new
“smart factory” in Clarksville, Tennessee. LG hired 700 employees and
began building washing machines there. In April 2021, it announced that
it had produced 1 million washing machines at Clarksville. It said it
was investing a further $20.5 million and hiring 300 more employees, to
bring its Clarksville headcount to “about 1,000.” In December 2022, LG
announced three new model washing machines capitalizing on the trend
towards energy-efficient and “smart” (i.e. Internet-enabled) appliances.
Those new models are all to be made in Clarksville.

Buck Dellinger, CEO of the Clarksville Industrial Development Board,
told us that LG Electronics is one of a number of large companies that
have chosen to build facilities in the Clarksville industrial park.
Clarksville set up the industrial park 22 years ago to build up an
industrial base to offer alternative employment in case the nearby Fort
Campbell army base reduced its presence in the area. In the last five
years, the industrial park has added 4,514 direct jobs, and a total of
7,236 including indirect jobs, Dellinger said. Indirect jobs include
suppliers to the companies in the industrial park, and service companies
serving employees such as restaurants and convenience stores. In the ten
years to 2022, Clarksville’s average salary grew 77%, as compared to the
U.S. growth rate of 62%. With 177,000 residents, Clarksville is adding
population at over 3% a year and is now Tennessee’s fifth largest city,
right behind Chattanooga.

“We’re ecstatic to have LG Electronics in the region,” said Buck
Dellinger. “Advanced manufacturing helps to give us low unemployment, a
high workforce participation rate, and a young workforce.” Dellinger
recently returned from a trip to South Korea where he met with LG
executives. “They are a very stable company, and take good care of their
employees. They have enough land here to quadruple their operation and
we hope they do.”

It’s a similar story in Newberry, South Carolina, where Samsung built an
appliance facility in 2018. In 2017, recognizing that the Trump
administration was determined to clamp down on washer imports, Samsung
announced plans to invest $350 million to build a manufacturing facility
in Newberry, South Carolina with 1,000 employees. In 2020, Samsung
invested an additional $120 million to expand the facility, which now
employs 1,200.

Newberry is a smaller, more rural and agricultural area than
Clarksville. Located 40 miles northwest of Columbia, Newberry County’s
population is just 38,000. Samsung is one of only two manufacturers in
the county with more than 1,000 employees. The other is a food
processing company. As a relatively high-tech appliance manufacturer
that designs as well as manufactures products, Samsung has had a
significant impact on business, jobs, and prosperity in Newberry County.
According to a local news report last October, the “Samsung effect” in
Newberry has contributed to investment in new housing developments, new
restaurants and other new businesses in the area. The report quoted John
Worthington, Executive Chef at local restaurant Figaro the Dining Room,
who said: “with these bigger corporations like Samsung coming in,
they’re bringing in good-paying jobs which makes the economy and the
town better.” Figaro is currently advertising for employees.

Consumer Prices
The greatest myth about tariffs is that they lead directly to a
one-for-one increase in consumer prices of the tariffed goods. The price
effect of tariffs depends on the competitive dynamics of the industry
that is tariffed, the weight of the level of imports in domestic
consumption, and other variables. The U.S. International Trade
Commission found in a detailed study published last year that across a
range of industries, the various tariffs imposed by the Trump
administration led to price increases in the domestic market for the
tariffed goods worth between 10% and 20% of the headline rate of tariff.
In other words, a 25% tariff would lead to U.S. price increases in the
tariffed sector of between 2.5% to 5%. We summarized that study’s
findings here.

The market reactions to the 2018 tariffs on residential washers was
typical of another trend often observed after tariff imposition. In
early 2018, washing machine prices shot up as the market, fearing high
prices and potential shortages, sought to build up inventories. Between
January 2018, when the tariffs were imposed, and June, the Bureau of
Labor Statistics’ price index for laundry equipment rose by 12.4%, a
large jump. However in the next 14 months, the index tumbled by 10.7%,
until it was at almost the same level (91.1) as it was in January 2018.
In short, sanity returned to the market, and all participants, from the
manufacturers to the distributors to the retailers, saw that the tariffs
would have almost no effect on the U.S. retail price for washers.

...

The goal of industrial policies like targeted tariffs should be to build
domestic industries to create growth, investment, employment, and an
upward trend in worker incomes. Of the two major domestic manufacturers,
Whirlpool recently reported modest (1%-2%) growth in its domestic market
and is exiting foreign markets. In recent reports it stressed to
investors that its goal is to rein in costs to achieve 10% earnings
margins. (As a subsidiary of a Chinese multinational, GE Appliance
reports no financial figures, making it hard to judge its economic
performance.) It would not be surprising if either of these companies
reduced staffing levels in the coming years. But employment count is not
the critical metric. It’s more critical to have enough companies and
competition so the more successful companies are creating jobs even if
others are losing, and the industry as a whole remains healthy. That has
positive effects for the upstream and downstream industries that supply
the appliance industry and for the economy as a whole.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 18:10:24 UTC
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
   We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them.
I get a kick out of the costliness of your goods vs. ours.
Post by Dave Smith
They seem to think the exporters are paying the
tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
We shall be just fine without our Kerrygold buttah dearie, now go chase
some handicap permits around the gym lot, ya guts griping old pecksniff.
Michael Trew
2024-11-21 18:18:41 UTC
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
   We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are paying the
tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of butter,
unless it's butter from Europe, which is already sold at a premium here.
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2024-11-21 18:47:29 UTC
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
   We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are paying
the tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of butter,
unless it's butter from Europe, which is already sold at a premium here.
Yes the cost of Kerrygold will increase, I weep for the rich folks
who'll pay that fare...oh fucking well...

😭 🧈
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
   We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are paying
the tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of butter,
unless it's butter from Europe, which is already sold at a premium here.
Butter and dairy products were an issue in free trade talks. We have
supply management system that stabilizes the cost of milk and cream
products. The US wants to be able to dump their excess butter on out
market.

Steel is another matter. The US was importing a lot of steel and people
seem to want to think that they only reason was because other countries
were producing it cheaper. They didn't want to accept that the US steel
makers had fallen behind because they had not been investing in newer
technology. It takes massive investment to set up to make certain types
of steel and steel products. The US imports a lot of steel. Canada sells
a lot of steel to the US. Slapping tariffs on that is going to drive up
the price of automobiles, appliances and building products. s
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The US imports a lot of steel. Canada sells a lot of steel to the US.
Slapping tariffs on that is going to drive up the price of automobiles,
appliances and building products.
STFU Guts Griping, you know NOTHING of what you blather on:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/steelworker-union-president-says-trumps-tariffs-shot-in-the-arm-that-industry-needed-2760686?utm_source=google_news_ar&utm_medium=GoogleAds&utm_campaign=reg_news_ar_0404_24_SupremeCourt&utm_term=reg_email&wall=7

https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-total-cost-of-tariffs/

When a president imposes tariffs unilaterally, U.S. firms can petition
for certain products to be excluded if the tariffs negatively impact
their business. For an exclusion to be granted, the product must not be
available in the United States or any third countries that are not
subject to U.S. tariffs. Alternatively, the business requesting the
exclusion must show that the tariffs caused it severe economic harm.
This analysis only considers Section 301 exclusions. Section 301
exclusions are vastly more far-reaching and easier to track than the
Section 232 exclusions, which are smaller in nature and evaluated on a
rolling basis.

The Trump Administration initially granted exclusions for over 2,200
products.


https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-steel-industry-claims/

The facts: The 25% tariff on most imported steel helped the U.S. steel
industry: Prices went up (though they’re now a little below what they
were when Trump took office); productivity has increased; imports decreased.

What happened in 2015-2016? “Overproduction everywhere,” Anton said,
which lowered prices. “By 2015, globally, not just the U.S., prices were
absolutely atrocious.”

The industry “is filled with times when people get too enthusiastic,”
Anton said. “It’s the history of the industry.”

Prices. The 25% tariffs on imported steel then boosted prices in the
U.S., at least for 2018, which was good news for steel companies’ bottom
lines.

The Wall Street Journal editorial board – no fan of the tariffs – noted
in a Feb. 3 editorial “all the superlatives” steel company executives
used on investor calls. Nucor’s and Steel Dynamics’ CEOs said 2018 was
“a record year” for their companies, and AK Steel’s and U.S. Steel’s
CEOs said it was the best in the last 10 years.

Imports. Machado said the tariffs did work in terms of keeping imports
low, though Wood Mackenzie expects 2019 imports to be lower than 2018,
more so because U.S. prices fell. (Commerce Department figures support
the expectation that imports will decline for 2019.) End users of steel,
he said, aren’t looking for imported steel as much because domestic
prices are lower. But if prices increase again, “end users will find
ways to import from some countries not in the 232 list.”

Import figures from the U.S. Geological Survey show imports fell by 7.5%
from 2017 to 2018...

In May, the Trump administration lifted the 25% tariff on steel imported
from Canada and Mexico, and U.S. manufacturers have asked for and
received exclusions for certain imported products. An April
Congressional Research Service report said the administration had
approved 16,500 steel exclusions out of a total of nearly 70,000
requests as of March 4.

Kenyon pointed out the tariffs now only apply to 30% of imports.


Capacity. The boost in price due to the tariffs and subsequent boost in
cash flow for U.S. companies also prompted capacity expansions. “A lot
of capital is being invested in the steel industry right now,” Kenyon said.

When Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross issued his report to the president
on his investigations into imports of steel and aluminum and his
recommendations for tariffs, he said an 80% capacity utilization was an
important benchmark. “Each of these remedies is intended to increase
domestic steel production from its present 73% of capacity to
approximately an 80% operating rate, the minimum rate needed for the
long-term viability of the industry,” the Feb. 16, 2018, press release
from the Commerce Department said.

U.S. steel mills were operating at 80.3% of their capacity in the fourth
quarter of 2018, according to figures provided to us from the American
Iron and Steel Institute. An AISI spokesman said capacity for the first
half of 2019 was 81.2%, and the rates in August also hovered around 80%.

the president is right that there has been a lot of investment in the
steel industry recently, said Machado at Wood Mackenzie. The “amount of
announcements that were made last year … was substantial,” he said.

Six new steel mills with a combined annual capacity of 7.2 million tons
have been announced since 2017, according to First River. The largest is
a mill in Sinton, Texas, which Steel Dynamics Inc. announced in late
2018. The mill will have an annual capacity of approximately 3 million tons.

All of the new facilities use the electric arc furnace technology, Moss
said.

The facts: Iron and steel mill jobs have gone up by 4,500 from January
2017 to June, a 5.6% increase, according to the latest figures available
from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 13:18:41 -0500
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Janet
In article
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
   We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are paying the
tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of butter,
Import tariffs are liable to raise the cost of living
right across the board.

Janet UK
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In article <673f798c$0$2385547
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 13:18:41 -0500
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Janet
In article
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
   We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are paying the
tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of butter,
Import tariffs are liable to raise the cost of living
right across the board.
Janet UK
Nope.

Mind your own serf's life please.
Carol
2024-11-22 15:41:38 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
Post by Janet
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
   We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are
paying the tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of
butter, unless it's butter from Europe, which is already sold at a
premium here.
I think the idea is 'buy American'. Butter is mostly made here for our
markets.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-11-22 17:08:08 UTC
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Post by Michael Trew
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Janet
In article
Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
   We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are
paying the tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of
butter, unless it's butter from Europe, which is already sold at a
premium here.
I think the idea is 'buy American'. Butter is mostly made here for our
markets.
Yeah, let us know how 'buy American' goes. We just don't have factories
making stuff anymore. People will pay the tariffs and inflation will
rise.
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Cindy Hamilton
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I think the idea is 'buy American'. Butter is mostly made here for our
markets.
Yeah, let us know how 'buy American' goes. We just don't have factories
making stuff anymore. People will pay the tariffs and inflation will
rise.
People should have taken a lesson from two world wars. The US sat out of
those two major conflicts for as long as they could and a lot of people
made a lot of money providing arms and equipment for the belligerents.
Then when they finally got dragged into it they had enormous
manufacturing facilities to to provide their own war materials. A large
scale conventional war may not work out as well for them because they
are now dependent on too many foreign materials that they need.
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People should have taken a lesson from two world wars. The US sat out of
those two major conflicts for as long as they could
Shut your war-mongering GODDAMNED piehole up - Canuck trash!
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People should have taken a lesson from two world wars. The US sat out of those two
major conflicts for as long as they could
Shut your war-mongering GODDAMNED piehole up - Canuck trash!
Officer Dave seems to have forgotten about the
2500 American soldiers killed and 5000 wounded
at Normandy alone, let alone the over 400,000
killed in WWII in total.

He must be part French.
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2024-11-22 17:59:51 UTC
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Post by Carol
Post by Michael Trew
I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of
butter, unless it's butter from Europe, which is already sold at a
premium here.
I think the idea is 'buy American'. Butter is mostly made here for our
markets.
Yeah, let us know how 'buy American' goes. We just don't have factories
making stuff anymore. People will pay the tariffs and inflation will
rise.
Do these lower socio-economic and lower brain capacity people realise
that Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about them?
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Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about them?
Nothing going on in Asstrailer again today?

You fucking trollass virus.
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Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about them?
Nothing going on in Asstrailer again today?
You fucking trollass virus.
"Our" pretend not to be communist Anthony Albanese has run out of
money for amongst a great many other things a Huge explosion of
"Public" Servants his energy ideas of wind/Solar power not working and
needs to steal Australian worker retirement savings
(again, all of it this time)
<https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/boondoggle-investments-warning-on-labor-s-future-fund-changes-20241121-p5ksde>
https://t.ly/Adcr9
Peter Costello has warned the $230 billion Future Fund he founded
risks becoming a political slush fund and that Labor could next raid
people’s superannuation as the Coalition questioned if Jim Chalmers
was breaching the law designed to stop politicians meddling in the
fund.
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Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you
eventually run out of other people's money.
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Yeah, let us know how 'buy American' goes. We just don't have factories
making stuff anymore.
TOTAL FUCKING LIE!
Post by Cindy Hamilton
People will pay the tariffs and inflation will
rise.
WRONG, LEARN:

https://prosperousamerica.org/economic-view-tariff-jumping-investment-the-success-of-the-2018-washing-machine-tariffs/

Key Points
The 2018-2023 washing machine tariffs led to a larger, more competitive
U.S.-based residential washer industry, including the creation of over
2,000 new jobs at two Korean-owned companies which opened U.S.
manufacturing facilities in the southern U.S.
Washing machine prices are now below pre-tariff levels, and prices have
risen less than consumer inflation, demonstrating that after a six-month
flurry, tariffs had little to no effect on washing machine prices.
The success of the washing machine tariffs shows that “tariff-jumping
investment,” i.e. inducing domestic industry growth via tariffs is a
viable strategy for the U.S. in industries that have suffered decline.
In January 2018, President Donald Trump imposed tariffs of 20% to 50% on
large residential washing machines. The tariffs expired in February
2023. Six years later, we can make an assessment: the tariffs created
over 2,000 jobs and provided economic growth for the two communities
where Korean appliance makers built factories. They also provided
economic support for Whirlpool, the leading U.S.-headquartered appliance
maker and employer of 23,000 Americans, as well as GE Appliances, which
is today Chinese-owned and employs 16,000 Americans at Louisville,
Kentucky and other facilities.

Further, washing machine prices, which temporarily surged in the first
half of 2018, came back to earth in 2019 and have continued to rise
significantly less than inflation since. Tariff opponents in the media
and the academic economist community continue to repeat the falsehood
that tariffs raised washing machine prices when over any timeframe other
than a few months, tariffs have had no visible impact on washing machine
prices.

In 2013, the Obama administration imposed tariffs on imported washing
machines from South Korea. This led the Korean producers to shift
production for the U.S. market to China, which led to another
anti-dumping investigation by the U.S. International Trade Commission.
That investigation published a finding in December 2016 that Chinese
washing machines benefited from subsidies (“anti-dumping margins” in the
formal lingo) of 44.28% and recommended duties at that level. The Trump
administration, with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer as the
driving force, decided instead to impose global duties or tariffs on all
imported large residential washing machines, whatever their source. The
duties, imposed in January 2018, started at 20% and once the quota of
1.2 million imported washers was reached, rose to 50%.

For years, the two large importers, Samsung and LG Electronics, had
opposed any import restrictions. But once those tariffs were in place,
the Korean manufacturers quickly changed their tune.

In 2018, LG Electronics completed an investment of $360 million in a new
“smart factory” in Clarksville, Tennessee. LG hired 700 employees and
began building washing machines there. In April 2021, it announced that
it had produced 1 million washing machines at Clarksville. It said it
was investing a further $20.5 million and hiring 300 more employees, to
bring its Clarksville headcount to “about 1,000.” In December 2022, LG
announced three new model washing machines capitalizing on the trend
towards energy-efficient and “smart” (i.e. Internet-enabled) appliances.
Those new models are all to be made in Clarksville.

Buck Dellinger, CEO of the Clarksville Industrial Development Board,
told us that LG Electronics is one of a number of large companies that
have chosen to build facilities in the Clarksville industrial park.
Clarksville set up the industrial park 22 years ago to build up an
industrial base to offer alternative employment in case the nearby Fort
Campbell army base reduced its presence in the area. In the last five
years, the industrial park has added 4,514 direct jobs, and a total of
7,236 including indirect jobs, Dellinger said. Indirect jobs include
suppliers to the companies in the industrial park, and service companies
serving employees such as restaurants and convenience stores. In the ten
years to 2022, Clarksville’s average salary grew 77%, as compared to the
U.S. growth rate of 62%. With 177,000 residents, Clarksville is adding
population at over 3% a year and is now Tennessee’s fifth largest city,
right behind Chattanooga.

“We’re ecstatic to have LG Electronics in the region,” said Buck
Dellinger. “Advanced manufacturing helps to give us low unemployment, a
high workforce participation rate, and a young workforce.” Dellinger
recently returned from a trip to South Korea where he met with LG
executives. “They are a very stable company, and take good care of their
employees. They have enough land here to quadruple their operation and
we hope they do.”

It’s a similar story in Newberry, South Carolina, where Samsung built an
appliance facility in 2018. In 2017, recognizing that the Trump
administration was determined to clamp down on washer imports, Samsung
announced plans to invest $350 million to build a manufacturing facility
in Newberry, South Carolina with 1,000 employees. In 2020, Samsung
invested an additional $120 million to expand the facility, which now
employs 1,200.

Newberry is a smaller, more rural and agricultural area than
Clarksville. Located 40 miles northwest of Columbia, Newberry County’s
population is just 38,000. Samsung is one of only two manufacturers in
the county with more than 1,000 employees. The other is a food
processing company. As a relatively high-tech appliance manufacturer
that designs as well as manufactures products, Samsung has had a
significant impact on business, jobs, and prosperity in Newberry County.
According to a local news report last October, the “Samsung effect” in
Newberry has contributed to investment in new housing developments, new
restaurants and other new businesses in the area. The report quoted John
Worthington, Executive Chef at local restaurant Figaro the Dining Room,
who said: “with these bigger corporations like Samsung coming in,
they’re bringing in good-paying jobs which makes the economy and the
town better.” Figaro is currently advertising for employees.

Consumer Prices
The greatest myth about tariffs is that they lead directly to a
one-for-one increase in consumer prices of the tariffed goods. The price
effect of tariffs depends on the competitive dynamics of the industry
that is tariffed, the weight of the level of imports in domestic
consumption, and other variables. The U.S. International Trade
Commission found in a detailed study published last year that across a
range of industries, the various tariffs imposed by the Trump
administration led to price increases in the domestic market for the
tariffed goods worth between 10% and 20% of the headline rate of tariff.
In other words, a 25% tariff would lead to U.S. price increases in the
tariffed sector of between 2.5% to 5%. We summarized that study’s
findings here.

The market reactions to the 2018 tariffs on residential washers was
typical of another trend often observed after tariff imposition. In
early 2018, washing machine prices shot up as the market, fearing high
prices and potential shortages, sought to build up inventories. Between
January 2018, when the tariffs were imposed, and June, the Bureau of
Labor Statistics’ price index for laundry equipment rose by 12.4%, a
large jump. However in the next 14 months, the index tumbled by 10.7%,
until it was at almost the same level (91.1) as it was in January 2018.
In short, sanity returned to the market, and all participants, from the
manufacturers to the distributors to the retailers, saw that the tariffs
would have almost no effect on the U.S. retail price for washers.
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2024-11-22 17:16:15 UTC
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I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of
butter, unless it's butter from Europe, which is already sold at a
premium here.
I think the idea is 'buy American'. Butter is mostly made here for our
markets.
Sure they want to encourage people to buy American. They also want to be
able to export and, better yet, to dump their surpluses on foreign markets.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-22 20:41:45 UTC
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I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of
butter, unless it's butter from Europe, which is already sold at a
premium here.
I think the idea is 'buy American'.  Butter is mostly made here for our
markets.
Sure they want to encourage people to buy American.
Boo fucking hoo - canuckleheaded TRASH!
Post by Dave Smith
They also want to be
able to export and, better yet, to dump their surpluses on foreign markets.
Why do you hosers dump 7% of your milk out on the ground?

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/highlights/canadas-dairy-industry-dumping-billions-of-litres-of-milk-study-finds-9665431
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2024-11-22 18:43:19 UTC
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina.  I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
   We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
I get a kick out of the way so many people think that tariffs will
improve things for them. They seem to think the exporters are
paying the tariffs. It's the consumers who end up paying them.
I shouldn't think that import tariffs will affect the price of
butter, unless it's butter from Europe, which is already sold at a
premium here.
I think the idea is 'buy American'. Butter is mostly made here for our
markets.
Kerrygold is superior to the American butter so that is what I buy for
my bread. I do by other brands for cooking.

Land O Lakes is BOGO this week but still $7.39. Publix brand is $5.29
regular price.
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Kerrygold is superior to the American butter
BULLSHIT LIE!

https://www.consumerreports.org/health/fats/best-butters-for-everyday-use-and-special-occasions-a6772312122/


Most of the evaluators came to the butter tasting thinking that
Kerrygold was king and left with a new favorite: Finlandia. “This one is
a keeper,” says Mary. “I could eat it again and again.”

This butter from Finland has a glossy sheen and, as Theresa puts it,
“spreads satisfyingly.” It’s silky but doesn’t melt too fast. “Hangs
around long enough for you to appreciate it,” says Trisha. It’s dense
and velvety, like a chocolate truffle.

The unsalted butter has a natural, well-rounded, clean flavor with no
aftertaste. “This one is for a butter lover, for sure,” says Paul. It
comes wrapped in a thick foil wrapper, which protects the butter against
off-odors. Its aroma is light and pleasant, almost floral. I joked that
I would wear this as a perfume, but I’m becoming more serious about that
sentiment as I eat through this brick of butter.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-11-22 22:47:41 UTC
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Kerrygold is superior to the American butter so that is what I buy for
my bread. I do by other brands for cooking.
Do you get the unsalted butter, which is made from cultured cream,
or the salted butter, which is made from sweet cream?
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We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
You haven't a berloody clue what you're mincing about, serf.


https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2019/10/23/trump-tariffs-mean-european-wine-cheese-whiskey-meat-more-expensive/4010906002/

Single malt Scotch, Irish butter, German Riesling and Spanish olives are
about to get a lot more expensive. So are British shortbread, Italian
ham and French Gruyere.

Oregon wholesalers already are warning local retail stores to expect
higher prices on a range of imported specialty foods, following a 25%
tariff imposed last week on many items from the European Union.

“The price increases are inevitable, but we expect them to happen slowly
as we and our partners have increased our inventories in anticipation,”
Portland’s Alexis Foods said in an Oct. 15 letter sent to stores it
supplies.

Earlier this month, the World Trade Association ruled that the U.S.
could impose $7.5 billion per year in tariffs in retaliation for EU
subsidies given to aircraft maker Airbus, which injured the U.S.
aerospace industry, particularly The Boeing Company.

Guns and buttah - both we can take domestic with nary an eye batted.
D
2024-11-21 21:51:21 UTC
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We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
You haven't a berloody clue what you're mincing about, serf.
https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2019/10/23/trump-tariffs-mean-european-wine-cheese-whiskey-meat-more-expensive/4010906002/
Single malt Scotch, Irish butter, German Riesling and Spanish olives are
about to get a lot more expensive. So are British shortbread, Italian ham and
French Gruyere.
Oregon wholesalers already are warning local retail stores to expect higher
prices on a range of imported specialty foods, following a 25% tariff imposed
last week on many items from the European Union.
“The price increases are inevitable, but we expect them to happen slowly as
we and our partners have increased our inventories in anticipation,”
Portland’s Alexis Foods said in an Oct. 15 letter sent to stores it supplies.
Earlier this month, the World Trade Association ruled that the U.S. could
impose $7.5 billion per year in tariffs in retaliation for EU subsidies given
to aircraft maker Airbus, which injured the U.S. aerospace industry,
particularly The Boeing Company.
Guns and buttah - both we can take domestic with nary an eye batted.
But our dear democrats, being eco-fascists and all, should rejoice! No
more flying items across half the world, generting scary CO2, but instead
americans, through the wisdom of Trump, will learn to eat locally produced
food, which is much better for the environment.

With Xiden, the luxury democrats would continue to fly in their european
food. ;)
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2024-11-21 21:58:52 UTC
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We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
   Janet UK
You haven't a berloody clue what you're mincing about, serf.
https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2019/10/23/trump-tariffs-mean-european-wine-cheese-whiskey-meat-more-expensive/4010906002/
Single malt Scotch, Irish butter, German Riesling and Spanish olives
are about to get a lot more expensive. So are British shortbread,
Italian ham and French Gruyere.
Oregon wholesalers already are warning local retail stores to expect
higher prices on a range of imported specialty foods, following a 25%
tariff imposed last week on many items from the European Union.
“The price increases are inevitable, but we expect them to happen
slowly as we and our partners have increased our inventories in
anticipation,” Portland’s Alexis Foods said in an Oct. 15 letter sent
to stores it supplies.
Earlier this month, the World Trade Association ruled that the U.S.
could impose $7.5 billion per year in tariffs in retaliation for EU
subsidies given to aircraft maker Airbus, which injured the U.S.
aerospace industry, particularly The Boeing Company.
Guns and buttah - both we can take domestic with nary an eye batted.
But our dear democrats, being eco-fascists and all, should rejoice! No
more flying items across half the world, generting scary CO2, but
instead americans, through the wisdom of Trump, will learn to eat
locally produced food, which is much better for the environment.
With Xiden, the luxury democrats would continue to fly in their european
food. ;)
I look forward to Charleston, West Virginia emptying out soon.

;-)
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2024-11-21 20:41:10 UTC
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We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
Butter is local, probably within 100 miles. All
domestic butter, milk, buttermilk, cream cheese,
cottage cheese, etc. is from local milk processing
plants. There's one 30 miles south of me and
another one about 60 miles northwest of me.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 20:59:41 UTC
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  We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
  Janet UK
Butter is local, probably within 100 miles.  All
domestic butter, milk, buttermilk, cream cheese,
cottage cheese, etc. is from local milk processing
plants.  There's one 30 miles south of me and
another one about 60 miles northwest of me.
Wot?!?!

You're not heading off to Whole Paycheck for some Kerrygold?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gNc7TlJOkz4?feature=share

(poor canaduh...)

Oh and Trump didn't do this:



"State law" = DemoCrap law.

Just so you know...
Janet
2024-11-21 22:11:43 UTC
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Post by Janet
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
Butter is local, probably within 100 miles. All
domestic butter, milk, buttermilk, cream cheese,
cottage cheese, etc. is from local milk processing
plants. There's one 30 miles south of me and
another one about 60 miles northwest of me.
Does your butter come from cows, do those local dairy
farmers buy machinery, stock feed soy and maize, fuel,
animal medications? Isn't China a major market for the US
dairy trade?

https://www.thebullvine.com/news/how-the-new-u-s-china-
trade-war-might-hit-dairy-farmers-harder-than-before/

" a fresh trade war between the United States and China
that harms the corn and soybean sectors and your dairy
farm operations. As tensions rise, the ripple effects may
cost American farmers billions of dollars, especially
those in the dairy sector. Are you ready for the more
significant economic earthquakes that might rock the basis
of your business? Because global commerce is so
interwoven, when significant industries like maize and
soybeans suffer a setback, it impacts the price,
availability, and cost of critical agricultural inputs and
feeds, putting pressure on dairy output and profitability.
This scenario demonstrates how trade policies affect local
economies, labor markets, and industry stability. Dairy
producers must ready themselves for a series of economic
risks that might result from renewed trade hostilities
between the world?s two biggest economies."

Janet UK
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 22:46:08 UTC
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Post by Janet
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
Butter is local, probably within 100 miles. All
domestic butter, milk, buttermilk, cream cheese,
cottage cheese, etc. is from local milk processing
plants. There's one 30 miles south of me and
another one about 60 miles northwest of me.
Does your butter come from cows,
Does your serfdom come form royal reptiles?
Post by Janet
do those local dairy
farmers buy machinery, stock feed soy and maize, fuel,
animal medications?
Do you have RFID tags on everything you own?
Post by Janet
Isn't China a major market for the US
dairy trade?
https://fas.usda.gov/dairy-2021-export-highlights

Top 10 Export Markets for U.S. Dairy
(values in million USD)
Country 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2020-2021 % Change 2017-2021 Average
Mexico 1,293 1,375 1,526 1,401 1,787 28% 1,476
Canada 699 700 728 736 851 16% 743
China 577 498 373 539 703 31% 538
Philippines 242 247 273 409 437 7% 322
Korea, South 279 290 330 370 426 15% 339
Japan 291 269 282 322 376 17% 308
Indonesia 132 165 239 348 327 -6% 242
Vietnam 112 145 170 185 280 52% 178
Australia 185 153 148 170 162 -5% 164
Malaysia 90 101 109 157 161 3% 124
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https://www.thebullvine.com/news/how-the-new-u-s-china-
trade-war-might-hit-dairy-farmers-harder-than-before/
" a fresh trade war between the United States and China
that harms the corn and soybean sectors and your dairy
farm operations. As tensions rise, the ripple effects may
cost American farmers billions of dollars,
Consider the source:

https://www.thebullvine.com/about-us/

Karen Hunt – Managing Editor

Karen Hunt, Bullvine’s prolific writer and Managing Editor, embodies the
spirit of rural life and family farming. As an experienced author,
entrepreneur, and staunch advocate for the agricultural community, Karen
finds her muse in her husband, their three children, eight
grandchildren, a herd of thirty cows, and their lively Jack Russell
terriers. Words are her world, and she wields them with a passion drawn
from her everyday life on the farm.

Murray Hunt – Genetic Adviser

Murray is an expert in research and development, organization
management, alliance formation, and the creation of livestock
improvement programs. His career includes senior management and
executive leadership roles in both public and producer-directed
organizations. As an Executive Director, he spearheaded the
representation of the Canadian AI industry, built strategic alliances,
and initiated and monitored substantial research projects. In his role
as General Manager of Genetic Improvement, Murray managed and enhanced
all facets of genetic improvement for the Canadian Holstein breed.

Andrew Hunt – Founder

Having grown up on a rural dairy farm in southern Ontario, Andrew
understood from an early age the significance of community and the value
of hard work. This foundational experience and industrious spirit led
him to establish his own Animal Genetics marketing company, known for
launching some of the industry’s most engaging and innovative campaigns.
Building on this success, Andrew ventured into the realms of corporate
leadership, sales, and marketing, where he played pivotal roles in
enhancing the performance of numerous Fortune 500 companies. These
accomplishments culminated in the creation of the Inbound Sales Network,
the fastest-growing lead generation company globally. The Inbound Sales
Network harnesses the power of a “virtual” network of sales and
marketing experts, offering world-class solutions at a fraction of the
cost of traditional advertising agencies. This innovative approach
embodies the new wave of marketing for the modern business landscape.
With a following of over 100,000 subscribers, Andrew undeniably stands
as a global leader in his field.



We tend to eschew the inherent bias in the Cuntnadian dairy lobby.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-21 23:11:25 UTC
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Post by Janet
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
Butter is local, probably within 100 miles. All
domestic butter, milk, buttermilk, cream cheese,
cottage cheese, etc. is from local milk processing
plants. There's one 30 miles south of me and
another one about 60 miles northwest of me.
Does your butter come from cows, do those local dairy
farmers buy machinery, stock feed soy and maize, fuel,
animal medications? Isn't China a major market for the US
dairy trade?
https://www.thebullvine.com/news/how-the-new-u-s-china-
trade-war-might-hit-dairy-farmers-harder-than-before/
Janet UK
Local cows. Dairy farms are nearby in fact there's
one about 4 miles from me. Not too large, but he
does sell his milk to the processing plant thirty
miles south of me.
Dave Smith
2024-11-21 23:38:26 UTC
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   Janet UK
Local cows.  Dairy farms are nearby in fact there's
one about 4 miles from me.  Not too large, but he
does sell his milk to the processing plant thirty
miles south of me.
There aren't many dairy farms around here, but our mayor owns one of
them. They number of dairy farms in the area could not possible meet the
milk and cream demand for the region.
Coogan's Bluff
2024-11-21 23:42:20 UTC
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They number of dairy farms in the area could not possible meet the milk
and cream demand for the region.
No wonder with you hosers dumping cow juice all over.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-canadas-dairy-farms-dump-7-per-cent-of-all-milk-produced-study/

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/highlights/canadas-dairy-industry-dumping-billions-of-litres-of-milk-study-finds-9665431


Canada’s dairy industry discarded enough milk to have fed 11 per cent of
the country’s population every year for more than a decade, a new study
has found.

The research, published in the journal Ecological Economics, found
somewhere between 6.8 billion and 10 billion litres of milk “vanished”
from Canadian farms since 2012. At the low end, that’s enough to supply
4.2 million people annually.

“Enhanced farming techniques have allowed for more precise control over
milk production, closely matching it with market demand and reducing
excess,” they add.

Many of the problems that lead to overproduction are not unique to
Canada’s dairy sector. But compared to the U.S. and several European
countries, wastage in Canada is still significantly higher, the study says.

The study suggests the Canadian Dairy Commission Act should be updated
to phase out the legal practice of discarding milk that meets food
safety standards.

Other recommended measures include increasing transparency in milk
production to identify and eliminate inefficiencies; revising dairy
quotas to better align with consumer preferences; and penalizing
overproduction.
D
2024-11-22 09:48:12 UTC
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Post by Janet
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
Butter is local, probably within 100 miles. All
domestic butter, milk, buttermilk, cream cheese,
cottage cheese, etc. is from local milk processing
plants. There's one 30 miles south of me and
another one about 60 miles northwest of me.
Does your butter come from cows, do those local dairy
farmers buy machinery, stock feed soy and maize, fuel,
animal medications? Isn't China a major market for the US
dairy trade?
https://www.thebullvine.com/news/how-the-new-u-s-china-
trade-war-might-hit-dairy-farmers-harder-than-before/
Janet UK
Local cows. Dairy farms are nearby in fact there's
one about 4 miles from me. Not too large, but he
does sell his milk to the processing plant thirty
miles south of me.
You could try to sneak in at night, squeezing out a liter or two! I
remember when I was a child and spend a few weeks in the summer in iceland
at the farm of relatives. We'd get the milk fresh from the cow. Best milk
I ever had.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-11-22 17:02:57 UTC
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Local cows. Dairy farms are nearby in fact there's
one about 4 miles from me. Not too large, but he
does sell his milk to the processing plant thirty
miles south of me.
You could try to sneak in at night, squeezing out a liter or two! I
remember when I was a child and spend a few weeks in the summer in iceland
at the farm of relatives. We'd get the milk fresh from the cow. Best milk
I ever had.
We always drank milk from the Jersey cow my grandparents
had when we'd visit when I was a child. No problems.

But several years ago my brother was buying milk from
the dairy farm 4 miles from me and the farmer got in
trouble for it. He could no longer sell it to us.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-11-22 22:44:25 UTC
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Local cows. Dairy farms are nearby in fact there's
one about 4 miles from me. Not too large, but he
does sell his milk to the processing plant thirty
miles south of me.
You could try to sneak in at night, squeezing out a liter or two! I
remember when I was a child and spend a few weeks in the summer in iceland
at the farm of relatives. We'd get the milk fresh from the cow. Best milk
I ever had.
We always drank milk from the Jersey cow my grandparents
had when we'd visit when I was a child. No problems.
Not a statistically significant sample. Sample size too small.
Sample not randomly selected.
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
But several years ago my brother was buying milk from
the dairy farm 4 miles from me and the farmer got in
trouble for it. He could no longer sell it to us.
Good.

"Consumers of unpasteurized milk and cheese are a small proportion of
the US population (3.2% and 1.6%, respectively), but compared with
consumers of pasteurized dairy products, they are 838.8 times more
likely to experience an illness and 45.1 times more likely to be
hospitalized"
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5443421/
--
Cindy Hamilton
Carol
2024-11-22 15:50:23 UTC
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Post by Janet
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
Butter is local, probably within 100 miles. All
domestic butter, milk, buttermilk, cream cheese,
cottage cheese, etc. is from local milk processing
plants. There's one 30 miles south of me and
another one about 60 miles northwest of me.
Same type of thing here. Huge farms for produce plus pigs, cattle, and
chickens.
Bruce
2024-11-22 16:43:42 UTC
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Post by Janet
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
Butter is local, probably within 100 miles. All
domestic butter, milk, buttermilk, cream cheese,
cottage cheese, etc. is from local milk processing
plants. There's one 30 miles south of me and
another one about 60 miles northwest of me.
Same type of thing here. Huge farms for produce plus pigs, cattle, and
chickens.
Could that be everywhere? Like all over the world?
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jmcquown
2024-11-22 23:01:39 UTC
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  We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
  Janet UK
Butter is local, probably within 100 miles.  All
domestic butter, milk, buttermilk, cream cheese,
cottage cheese, etc. is from local milk processing
plants.  There's one 30 miles south of me and
another one about 60 miles northwest of me.
Gotta love the way people are dragging Trump into discussions about
American butter sold in US grocery stores.

Jill

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2024-11-22 23:00:00 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. ?
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region. Closest to me is
Atlanta, 500 miles. So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to buy a lot
of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
We're all deeply invested in supporting your butter
needs, Joan. Tragically, Trump's import tarriffs are going
to spoil it.
Janet UK
Imported butter? Joan isn't talking about imported butter (or Trump).
Someone else mentioned Lidl. She was talking about butter on sale at
Kroger, which is an American grocery store chain and American butter.
Probably butter made in Wisconsin. That would be an American State.

Jill
Carol
2024-11-21 21:08:16 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region. Closest to
me is Atlanta, 500 miles. So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to
buy a lot of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
It's relatively recent they moved here, just like Aldi's. Last 2-3
years for Lidl, I think.
Bruce
2024-11-21 21:11:04 UTC
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Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
They have stores mostly in the middle Atlantic region. Closest to
me is Atlanta, 500 miles. So, about 35 gallons of gas, I'd have to
buy a lot of butter to come out ahead.
https://help.lidl.com/selfservice/s/article/Where-is-the-closest-store-1614089638064
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
It's relatively recent they moved here, just like Aldi's. Last 2-3
years for Lidl, I think.
Always fact check nonsense machine cshenkie:
"Lidl opened its first stores in the United States in June 2017,
starting with locations in Virginia, North Carolina, and South
Carolina. "
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2024-11-21 22:16:10 UTC
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
It's relatively recent they moved here, just like Aldi's. Last 2-3
years for Lidl, I think.
It's funny how franchises grow in various place and not in others.
Krispy Kreme has only 13 stores in Canada, 8 in Ontario, 5 in Quebec and
1 in BC Tim Hortons has 5700 outlets
Maybe that is not a good comparison because Hortons seems to be doing
better in the US than KK.
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2024-11-22 17:13:31 UTC
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Nearest to me is in North Carolina. I honestly thought
they were in Europe only.
It's relatively recent they moved here, just like Aldi's. Last 2-3
years for Lidl, I think.
It's funny how franchises grow in various place and not in others.
Krispy Kreme has only 13 stores in Canada, 8 in Ontario, 5 in Quebec
and 1 in BC Tim Hortons has 5700 outlets Maybe that is not a good
comparison because Hortons seems to be doing better in the US than
KK.
Yes. In NextDoor there is yet another grocery store debate. 'Which is
best/cheapeest'? and yet again, they are being told there is no 'best'.
It's about what you eat and buy.

A grocery here has huge competition so has to cater to various nitches,
aiming sales and products there. I have heard, with no reason to
disbelieve, that Aldi's it great for scratch cooks in other areas.
Here, not so much so. In fact, they seem to deliverately discourage it
to drive shoppers to more expensive pre-made meals. The only area
*here* they win, seems to be GF and even then they have stiff
competition. You can't even make chocolate cookies from Aldi's here
without going to another store to get what Aldi's doesn't have. Again,
that's Aldi's in VB.

We break down to:

1- I'm too busy to do more than the microwave (freezer/cans crowd)

2- I'm busy but if you make the sides, I can do a quick box kit for the
mains

3- I mostly use a lot of scratch things but want some easy fix

4- I want a lot of variety in products

(Number 3 and 4 are me. Number 1 is a 'sometimes' such as a frozen
Pizza and number 2 is the stray box rice-a-roni or Zatarains or wildly,
Don's stroganoff hamburger helper).

What did I cook last night? Hash brown casserole with my home made
pork sausage balls. Dunno about tonight but a scratch pot of beans
with ham going in chicken broth with my last cube of Pho seasonings.

Oh, my 'new to me thing' finally gotten, parsnip. I know some roast
them but frankly I have little use for roasted veggies but next time I
make bread, I'll roast a piece of it. I plan to steam a piece and if
the flavor suits, I'll come up with a soup to match it after googling
some recipes.
S Viemeister
2024-11-21 13:10:17 UTC
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Kroger has butter on sale for $2.99 per pound with
their shoppers card.  🐮
I'll have to check my freezer and see if I can
squeeze in another couple of pounds.
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area.  Great price, though!
Yes, it's an excellent price!
This particular Lidl is in northern New Jersey, and the Lidl I shop at
in Scotland also has good quality at low prices.
Carol
2024-11-21 20:38:38 UTC
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Kroger has butter on sale for $2.99 per pound with
their shoppers card.  🐮
I'll have to check my freezer and see if I can
squeeze in another couple of pounds.
Lidl has/had it for $2 per pound.
That's right, rub it in. 😆
That store is not in the USA, I think, or if it
is, it's not in my area. Great price, though!
It's in the USA. Functionally same as Aldi's but Lidl adds home goods
and such.
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