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Dave Smith
2024-10-13 17:32:06 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.

I usually send leftover turkey with my son and with my brother. My son
and his wife are in Italy this week. They have been in Italy for a week
and are going to Vienna for about a week before they return.


I just made some cranberry sauce. I had made a pie crust last week and
my wife is going to make a butterscotch pie. It seems I am the only one
here who likes pumpkin pie. However, we have ordered to pumpkin cheese
jack from the corner bakery.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-10-13 17:38:38 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
Ah, I wondered when that was this year. Happy Thanksgiving.

We're having pizza tomorrow. I just finished the dough.
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Cindy Hamilton
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-13 20:02:40 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.
Enjoy!!

Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??

Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
Bruce
2024-10-13 20:19:57 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.
Enjoy!!
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
Overly sensitive? It reminds me of Australians who call the day
Captain Cook arrived here "Australia Day". As if there were no people
here before the first white man arrived. (And he wasn't even the first
white man, just the first Anglo.)
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Bruce
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Dave Smith
2024-10-13 20:23:50 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today.  I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.
Enjoy!!
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
I suppose that I could have, but that would defeat the purpose of the
fresh turkey. I suppose I could even do that myself. It's my wife's
thing. If I had my druthers we would be having something other than turkey.
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
We don't do Columbus Day here. He had nothing to do with us. We give
credit to the French and English explorers. They were the people who
started something that pulled such a huge land mass into one country
rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got along so poorly that
there are that many "nations".
Ed P
2024-10-13 21:19:27 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
We don't do Columbus Day here.  He had nothing to do with us. We give
credit to the French and English explorers. They were the people who
started something that pulled  such a huge land mass into one country
rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got along so poorly that
there are that many "nations".
Of course he did. We learned in school that without Columbus, the
people that lived here would not have know that they lived here. Those
explorers would not have know the land existed.

Without Columbus, the entire western hemisphere would be a vast
wasteland with only those Indigenous people and they didn't even know
how to live on reservations. Oh, and they would not have cell phones.
Dave Smith
2024-10-13 22:01:14 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
We don't do Columbus Day here.  He had nothing to do with us. We give
credit to the French and English explorers. They were the people who
started something that pulled  such a huge land mass into one country
rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got along so poorly that
there are that many "nations".
Of course he did.  We learned in school that without Columbus, the
people that lived here would not have know that they lived here.  Those
explorers would not have know the land existed.
Without Columbus, the entire western hemisphere would be a vast
wasteland with only those Indigenous people and they didn't even know
how to live on reservations.  Oh, and they would not have cell phones.
Or casinos.
D
2024-10-14 09:49:43 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
We don't do Columbus Day here.  He had nothing to do with us. We give
credit to the French and English explorers. They were the people who
started something that pulled  such a huge land mass into one country
rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got along so poorly that there
are that many "nations".
Of course he did. We learned in school that without Columbus, the people
that lived here would not have know that they lived here. Those explorers
would not have know the land existed.
Without Columbus, the entire western hemisphere would be a vast wasteland
with only those Indigenous people and they didn't even know how to live on
reservations. Oh, and they would not have cell phones.
Ahh... but think about the CO2 Ed, think about the CO2! ;)
Rock Stolid
2024-10-14 17:12:32 UTC
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Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
We don't do Columbus Day here.  He had nothing to do with us. We give
credit to the French and English explorers. They were the people who
started something that pulled  such a huge land mass into one country
rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got along so poorly that
there are that many "nations".
Of course he did.  We learned in school that without Columbus, the
people that lived here would not have know that they lived here.
Those explorers would not have know the land existed.
Without Columbus, the entire western hemisphere would be a vast
wasteland with only those Indigenous people and they didn't even know
how to live on reservations.  Oh, and they would not have cell phones.
Ahh... but think about the CO2 Ed, think about the CO2! ;)
The regular slash and bun technique of agriculture was basically all
they knew.

Renewal came with fire and smoke...and...CO2!

Plus, it freaking worked.
D
2024-10-14 20:15:58 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
We don't do Columbus Day here.  He had nothing to do with us. We give
credit to the French and English explorers. They were the people who
started something that pulled  such a huge land mass into one country
rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got along so poorly that
there are that many "nations".
Of course he did.  We learned in school that without Columbus, the people
that lived here would not have know that they lived here. Those explorers
would not have know the land existed.
Without Columbus, the entire western hemisphere would be a vast wasteland
with only those Indigenous people and they didn't even know how to live on
reservations.  Oh, and they would not have cell phones.
Ahh... but think about the CO2 Ed, think about the CO2! ;)
The regular slash and bun technique of agriculture was basically all they
knew.
Renewal came with fire and smoke...and...CO2!
Plus, it freaking worked.
Hush... things that work are not to be mentioned in todays eco-fascist
world!
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 20:22:11 UTC
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Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
We don't do Columbus Day here.  He had nothing to do with us. We
give credit to the French and English explorers. They were the
people who started something that pulled  such a huge land mass
into one country rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got
along so poorly that there are that many "nations".
Of course he did.  We learned in school that without Columbus, the
people that lived here would not have know that they lived here.
Those explorers would not have know the land existed.
Without Columbus, the entire western hemisphere would be a vast
wasteland with only those Indigenous people and they didn't even
know how to live on reservations.  Oh, and they would not have cell
phones.
Ahh... but think about the CO2 Ed, think about the CO2! ;)
The regular slash and bun technique of agriculture was basically all
they knew.
Renewal came with fire and smoke...and...CO2!
Plus, it freaking worked.
Hush... things that work are not to be mentioned in todays eco-fascist
world!
Reinvent the wheel we must, again and again and again...

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jmcquown
2024-10-14 13:48:04 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
We don't do Columbus Day here.  He had nothing to do with us. We give
credit to the French and English explorers. They were the people who
started something that pulled  such a huge land mass into one country
rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got along so poorly that
there are that many "nations".
Of course he did.  We learned in school that without Columbus, the
people that lived here would not have know that they lived here.  Those
explorers would not have know the land existed.
Don't you know the world was flat back then? Look at a very old map.
"Here there be dragons" ;)

Jill
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-14 13:50:24 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
We don't do Columbus Day here.  He had nothing to do with us. We give
credit to the French and English explorers. They were the people who
started something that pulled  such a huge land mass into one country
rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got along so poorly that
there are that many "nations".
Of course he did. We learned in school that without Columbus, the
people that lived here would not have know that they lived here. Those
explorers would not have know the land existed.
Without Columbus, the entire western hemisphere would be a vast
wasteland with only those Indigenous people and they didn't even know
how to live on reservations. Oh, and they would not have cell phones.
Or mega casinos!!
Graham
2024-10-13 22:21:09 UTC
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Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
I suppose that I could have, but that would defeat the purpose of the
fresh turkey. I suppose I could even do that myself. It's my wife's
thing. If I had my druthers we would be having something other than turkey.
My parents used to remove and freeze the legs before roasting the
rest. Later in winter, one of those legs was sufficient to make
a big pot of stew or soup.
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-13 22:34:34 UTC
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We give credit to the French and English explorers. They were the people
who started something that pulled  such a huge land mass into one
country rather than the 100s of "first nations" who got along so poorly
that there are that many "nations".
Nice of you to use your entitled white arse to slag on first nations -
boarding school much Pecksniff?
Cindy Hamilton
2024-10-13 21:36:25 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.
Enjoy!!
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
--
Cindy Hamilton
Dave Smith
2024-10-13 22:16:09 UTC
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Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
There is that to it too.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Yet you haven't made any move to move back to from where your
forefathers came. I have to wonder why only certain people are
considered to be indigenous. People get all bent out of shape over the
native people of certain countries that were colonized (by white
Europeans) but about the the many many examples of human migration.
There are plenty of examples of genocide and cultural genocide in most
of Europe. England has seen several waves of it. The Picts were overrun
by the Celts, who were, in turn, overrun by Romans, Angles, Saxons,
Vikings. There were the Mongols who spread across Asia and threatened
Europe. The Turks had an empire that spread into the middle east and beyond.

Even in the Americas there were cultures who expanded subdue others.
Around the time that Europeans first arrived in North America the
Iroquois were busy attacking and taking over the Huron to the north,
The local indigenous people, the Neutrals, were wiped out in the
fighting between their two neighbours. When people whine about the
native people being suppressed by the white Europeans they conveniently
ignore the violent oppression the used to suppress other indigenous groups.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-10-14 08:49:57 UTC
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Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
There is that to it too.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Yet you haven't made any move to move back to from where your
forefathers came.
Sarcasm, Dave. Sarcasm.
--
Cindy Hamilton
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-14 13:58:21 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Yet you haven't made any move to move back to from where your
forefathers came. I have to wonder why only certain people are
considered to be indigenous. People get all bent out of shape over the
native people of certain countries that were colonized (by white
Europeans) but about the the many many examples of human migration.
There are plenty of examples of genocide and cultural genocide in most
of Europe. England has seen several waves of it. The Picts were overrun
by the Celts, who were, in turn, overrun by Romans, Angles, Saxons,
Vikings. There were the Mongols who spread across Asia and threatened
Europe. The Turks had an empire that spread into the middle east and beyond.
Even in the Americas there were cultures who expanded subdue others.
Around the time that Europeans first arrived in North America the
Iroquois were busy attacking and taking over the Huron to the north,
The local indigenous people, the Neutrals, were wiped out in the
fighting between their two neighbours. When people whine about the
native people being suppressed by the white Europeans they conveniently
ignore the violent oppression the used to suppress other indigenous groups.
+100!!!
jmcquown
2024-10-14 14:22:36 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Yet you haven't made any move to move back to from where your
forefathers came.  I have to wonder why only certain people are
considered to be indigenous. People get all bent out of shape over the
native people of certain countries that were colonized (by white
Europeans) but about the the many many examples of human migration.
There are plenty of examples of genocide and cultural genocide in most
of Europe. England has seen several waves of it. The Picts were overrun
by the Celts, who were, in turn, overrun by Romans, Angles, Saxons,
Vikings. There were the Mongols who spread across Asia and threatened
Europe. The Turks had an empire that spread into the middle east and beyond.
Even in the Americas there were  cultures who expanded subdue others.
Around the time that Europeans first arrived in North America the
Iroquois were busy attacking and taking over  the Huron to the north,
The local indigenous people, the Neutrals, were wiped out in the
fighting between their two neighbours.  When people whine about the
native people being suppressed by the white Europeans they conveniently
ignore the violent oppression the used to suppress other indigenous groups.
+100!!!
This happened much later, but I recommend reading an actual account
about 'The Mayflower' (a ship) and the Pilgrims sometime. (This is what
we attribute to US Thanksgiving.) The natives had plenty of wars
amongst themselves for territory and control well before the Mayflower
arrived (and they did not land at Plymouth Rock.) The earlier Europeans
before the Mayflower brought lovely things with them such as smallpox
and other nasty European bugs/influenza with them which wiped out whole
villages of indigenous peoples and the early European settlements, too.

Ah, but the few Pilgrims who survived that first trip did make peace
with some of the natives. In subsequent years they armed them with
guns. They were trading for furs to take back to England and figured
guns would make for more efficient hunting than bows and arrows and traps.

The native tribes with which they established friendly relations did
teach them to grow corn in furrows and about irrigation to more
efficiently manage what little seed crops (such as barley and beans)
they had brought with them.

By all accounts, the "first Thanksgiving" didn't have anything to do
with turkey. Venison, corn cakes, beans. Perhaps some beer brewed from
barley.

Jill
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-13 22:32:31 UTC
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Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey?
Fairly easily in one (or 2) large baking dishes:

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Start with foil over the top to reserve moisture, finish under
convection bake to crisp.

The stuffing catches _all_ the drippings and is sublime.

A turkey breast can also be split and stuffed individually, then roasted:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/213146994838492530/

Or boned and stuffed and rolled:

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D
2024-10-14 09:50:39 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.
Enjoy!!
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
I call it "Civilization day" when the white man brought light and
knowledge to the savages!
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-14 13:55:58 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less.
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-10-14 14:46:40 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less.
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
You surely are benighted. Stuffing benefits greatly from absorbing
the juices from the turkey.
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Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
From whom? Mammoths? The Lost Tribes of Israel? Gondorians?
--
Cindy Hamilton
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 14:59:46 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less.
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
You surely are benighted. Stuffing benefits greatly from absorbing
the juices from the turkey.
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Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
From whom? Mammoths? The Lost Tribes of Israel? Gondorians?
Vikings.

But no worries, they came, saw, conquered, and split for more
interesting places.
D
2024-10-14 20:14:33 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less.
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
You surely are benighted. Stuffing benefits greatly from absorbing
the juices from the turkey.
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Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
From whom? Mammoths? The Lost Tribes of Israel? Gondorians?
Vikings.
But no worries, they came, saw, conquered, and split for more interesting
places.
They probably could foresee the woke mess it was going to turn into, and
left before that started to happen. ;)
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 20:20:29 UTC
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My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today.  I
was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less.
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey?  It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
You surely are benighted.  Stuffing benefits greatly from absorbing
the juices from the turkey.
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Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
 From whom?  Mammoths?  The Lost Tribes of Israel?  Gondorians?
Vikings.
But no worries, they came, saw, conquered, and split for more
interesting places.
They probably could foresee the woke mess it was going to turn into, and
left before that started to happen. ;)
Ya know, the next ones in were the Templars, and they left too...makes
one wonder...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucson_artifacts

Manier took the first item to the Arizona State Museum to be studied by
archaeologist Karl Ruppert. Ruppert was impressed with the item, and
went with Manier to the site the next day where he found a caliche
plaque weighing 7 pounds (3.2 kg), with inscriptions that included a
date of 800 A.D. A total of thirty-one objects were found.[


Dave Smith
2024-10-14 16:13:06 UTC
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Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
You surely are benighted. Stuffing benefits greatly from absorbing
the juices from the turkey.
I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing. Hell, you might as skip the
gravy too. Stuffing was always an integral part of a roasted turkey in
my family and my wife's. To the best of my knowledge, there are only a
couple people in my extended family who don't like it, and one of those
is an extremely picky eater who doesn't like just about everything. My
wife is a low carber and does not eat bread, but even she has a little
stuffing.
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
From whom? Mammoths? The Lost Tribes of Israel? Gondorians?
The Clovis culture that was here thousands of years ago? They probably
came across the land bridge. The Eskimos of the far north are a
different culture than those who had inhabited that region before them.
The Dorset culture showed up there about 500 AD and disappeared around
1500, before Europeans arrived. It should be noted that their demise in
North America is attributed to the disappearance of the game they lived
on. They loved the big critters like mammoths and hunted them to
extinction, another nail in the coffin of the mythology about how the
native people are the stewards of the land.
Pierre Delecto Romney
2024-10-14 16:53:32 UTC
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They loved the big critters like mammoths and hunted them to extinction,
another nail in the coffin of the mythology about how the native people
are the stewards of the land.
You absolute revisionist nutbar!

How fucking stoopid do YOU have to be to say THAT???

https://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/humans-did-not-cause-woolly-mammoths-go-extinct-climate-change-did

Now the hotly debated question about why mammoths went extinct has been
answered - geneticists analysed ancient environmental DNA and proved it
was because when the icebergs melted, it became far too wet for the
giant animals to survive because their food source – vegetation – was
practically wiped out.

The 10-year research project, published in Nature today (20 October
2021), was led by Professor Eske Willerslev, a Fellow of St John’s
College, University of Cambridge, and director of The Lundbeck
Foundation GeoGenetics Centre, University of Copenhagen.

The team used DNA shotgun sequencing to analyse environmental plant and
animal remains – including urine, faeces and skin cells – taken from
soil samples painstakingly collected over a period of 20 years from
sites in the Arctic where mammoth remains were found. The advanced new
technology means scientists no longer have to rely on DNA samples from
bones or teeth to gather enough genetic material to recreate a profile
of ancient DNA. The same technique has been used during the pandemic to
test the sewage of human populations to detect, track and analyse Covid-19.

Professor Willerslev said: “Scientists have argued for 100 years about
why mammoths went extinct. Humans have been blamed because the animals
had survived for millions of years without climate change killing them
off before, but when they lived alongside humans they didn’t last long
and we were accused of hunting them to death.

“Precipitation caused the demise of the hairy beasts because their food
source was practically wiped out”
“We have finally been able to prove was that it was not just the climate
changing that was the problem, but the speed of it that was the final
nail in the coffin – they were not able to adapt quickly enough when the
landscape dramatically transformed and their food became scarce.
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⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪
Cindy Hamilton
2024-10-14 17:24:23 UTC
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Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
You surely are benighted. Stuffing benefits greatly from absorbing
the juices from the turkey.
I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing. Hell, you might as skip the
gravy too. Stuffing was always an integral part of a roasted turkey in
my family and my wife's. To the best of my knowledge, there are only a
couple people in my extended family who don't like it, and one of those
is an extremely picky eater who doesn't like just about everything. My
wife is a low carber and does not eat bread, but even she has a little
stuffing.
Many people bake it in a separate dish. When I was a kid, we
had some inside the turkey and some baked in a separate dish.
Each one had its adherents.
--
Cindy Hamilton
Dave Smith
2024-10-14 17:40:07 UTC
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I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing. Hell, you might as skip the
gravy too. Stuffing was always an integral part of a roasted turkey in
my family and my wife's. To the best of my knowledge, there are only a
couple people in my extended family who don't like it, and one of those
is an extremely picky eater who doesn't like just about everything. My
wife is a low carber and does not eat bread, but even she has a little
stuffing.
Many people bake it in a separate dish. When I was a kid, we
had some inside the turkey and some baked in a separate dish.
Each one had its adherents.
It was so popular in my house that my mother did both. She would make
extra, cram as much as she could into the bird and then do the rest in a
bowl. I always preferred the the stuffing from the bird. There are only
5 of us tonight so the bird will hold more than enough.

FWIW, I just got a selfie from my son and DiL at Pompeii. In another
post here there were words of advice about ordering things like raft
rides and donkey rides in the Grand Canyon a year or more in advance. My
son was really interested in seeing Pompeii had had a hard time ordering
tickets. He kept getting messages that the tickets would not be on sale
until Sept 30. He was getting worried because he had to arrange
transportation etc and didn't want to make those and find out he could
not get into the site.

We had some issues in Paris last year. Our son had bought us museum
passes that would allow us to skip the lines in some locations but not
big one like the Louvre and l'Orangerie. There was a charge for the
reservation and none available for the next three weeks. It was a good
thing I had been to the Louvre several times before because the lines
were horrendous. We went to l'Orangerie around 9:30 and and had to wait
in line for 3 1/2 hours. Musee d'Orsay was a better experience. We were
able to skip the lines and other places had no lines at all.
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 19:25:17 UTC
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There are only 5 of us tonight so the bird will hold more than enough.
Be sure and get the rest of the friends an rellies here on RFC with ya -
they'll appreciate all the conviviality, true hospitality, and familial
warmth that comes from a bully group like this so much you may not even
need to make a turkey next year!
jmcquown
2024-10-14 21:59:49 UTC
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We had some issues in Paris last year. Our son had bought us museum
passes that would allow us to skip the lines in some locations but not
big one like the Louvre and l'Orangerie. There was a charge for the
reservation and none available for the next three weeks.  It was a good
thing I had been to the Louvre several times before because the lines
were horrendous. We went to l'Orangerie around 9:30 and and had to wait
in line for 3 1/2 hours.  Musee d'Orsay was a better experience. We were
able to skip the lines and other places had no lines at all.
There is no place I'm interested in that requires a 3.5 hour wait in line.

Jill
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 22:55:21 UTC
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We had some issues in Paris last year. Our son had bought us museum
passes that would allow us to skip the lines in some locations but not
big one like the Louvre and l'Orangerie. There was a charge for the
reservation and none available for the next three weeks.  It was a
good thing I had been to the Louvre several times before because the
lines were horrendous. We went to l'Orangerie around 9:30 and and had
to wait in line for 3 1/2 hours.  Musee d'Orsay was a better
experience. We were able to skip the lines and other places had no
lines at all.
There is no place I'm interested in that requires a 3.5 hour wait in line.
Jill
Your next waiting time in line may be just a wee bit longer, dearie...

https://stus.com/St-Peter-Cartoon-cla160f#mz-expanded-view-1461241822450
Leonard Blaisdell
2024-10-15 00:21:14 UTC
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There is no place I'm interested in that requires a 3.5 hour wait in line.
Make that ten minutes unless required by law. Then, vote against *them* at
the next election.

leo
Dave Smith
2024-10-15 00:50:50 UTC
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There is no place I'm interested in that requires a 3.5 hour wait in line.
Make that ten minutes unless required by law. Then, vote against *them* at
the next election.
\

But this was l'Orangerie, home to Monet's famous water lily paintings
along with dozens of other impressionist paintings. It was a long wait
but I am glad we went. What is frustrating is that the waiting times are
so long because of the huge number of people who only go to see place
because the paintings are famous. Many of them are more interesting in
having people take photos of them in front of famous paintings than
actually looking at the pictures.
Hank Rogers
2024-10-15 01:03:37 UTC
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There is no place I'm interested in that requires a 3.5 hour wait in line.
Make that ten minutes unless required by law. Then, vote against *them* at
the next election.
\
But this was l'Orangerie, home to Monet's famous water lily paintings
along with dozens of other impressionist paintings.  It was a long wait
but I am glad we went. What is frustrating is that the waiting times are
so long because of the huge number of people who only go to see place
because the paintings are famous. Many of them are more interesting in
having people take photos of them in front of famous paintings than
actually looking at the pictures.
Those people only do that to irritate you, Officer Dave.
Ed P
2024-10-14 17:43:59 UTC
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Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
You surely are benighted. Stuffing benefits greatly from absorbing
the juices from the turkey.
I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing. Hell, you might as skip the
gravy too. Stuffing was always an integral part of a roasted turkey in
my family and my wife's. To the best of my knowledge, there are only a
couple people in my extended family who don't like it, and one of those
is an extremely picky eater who doesn't like just about everything. My
wife is a low carber and does not eat bread, but even she has a little
stuffing.
Many people bake it in a separate dish. When I was a kid, we
had some inside the turkey and some baked in a separate dish.
Each one had its adherents.
That has been pushed in recent years. To get the stuffing to a safe
temperature the turkey would dry out from over cooking.

I've had it both ways and have a definite preference. Chicken.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-10-14 18:42:44 UTC
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That has been pushed in recent years. To get the stuffing to a safe
temperature the turkey would dry out from over cooking.
I never bother to temp the stuffing. (Don't tell my husband.)
Since I roast the turkey upside-down (which is actually right-side
up relative to the way it is when it's alive), I don't worry too
much. The stuffing gets a lot of heat transmitted to it through
the spine.
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Cindy Hamilton
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 19:28:16 UTC
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Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
You surely are benighted. Stuffing benefits greatly from absorbing
the juices from the turkey.
I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing. Hell, you might as skip the
gravy too. Stuffing was always an integral part of a roasted turkey in
my family and my wife's. To the best of my knowledge, there are only a
couple people in my extended family who don't like it, and one of those
is an extremely picky eater who doesn't like just about everything. My
wife is a low carber and does not eat bread, but even she has a little
stuffing.
Many people bake it in a separate dish. When I was a kid, we
had some inside the turkey and some baked in a separate dish.
Each one had its adherents.
Top tip:

For the separate stuffing dish to flavor up it's useful to take anything
not used in giblet gravy (neck, hearts, giblets, wing tips) an lay them
over the stuffing before cooking. Enough turkey flavor and fat will seep
down in to make it equally as tasty as cavity stuffing. Also add some
extra broth for moisture.
Leonard Blaisdell
2024-10-14 22:35:56 UTC
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I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing. Hell, you might as skip the
gravy too. Stuffing was always an integral part of a roasted turkey in
my family and my wife's. To the best of my knowledge, there are only a
couple people in my extended family who don't like it, and one of those
is an extremely picky eater who doesn't like just about everything. My
wife is a low carber and does not eat bread, but even she has a little
stuffing.
Many people bake it in a separate dish. When I was a kid, we
had some inside the turkey and some baked in a separate dish.
Each one had its adherents.
We do both too. My wife always makes too much to just stuff in the bird.
Before I married her, I never ate cornbread stuffing. After I married
her, I've never eaten stuffing without it. 54 years last week.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-14 23:02:18 UTC
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I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing.
Many people bake it in a separate dish.
We do both too. My wife always makes too much to just stuff in the bird.
Before I married her, I never ate cornbread stuffing. After I married
her, I've never eaten stuffing without it. 54 years last week.
Good stuff!!

And BELATED CONGRATULATIONS on your wedding anniversary!!!!
jmcquown
2024-10-14 23:42:09 UTC
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We do both too. My wife always makes too much to just stuff in the bird.
Before I married her, I never ate cornbread stuffing. After I married
her, I've never eaten stuffing without it. 54 years last week.
A belated Happy Anniversary, Leo!

I did not grow up with cornbread stuffing/dressing. The stuffing my
mother made was cubed dried white bread and tasted mostly of sage. It
was also very dry. Never cared for it. Mom didn't make cornbread. I
do. IMO it makes for a much tastier stuffing/dressing than plain old
white bread cubes. Sometimes I add cooked wild rice to the cornbread
dressing.

Jill
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-14 19:00:14 UTC
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Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
You surely are benighted. Stuffing benefits greatly from absorbing
the juices from the turkey.
Juices at the bottom of the pan after the turkey was cooked
is what we made dressing with.
Post by Dave Smith
I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing. Hell, you might as skip the
gravy too. Stuffing was always an integral part of a roasted turkey in
my family and my wife's. To the best of my knowledge, there are only a
couple people in my extended family who don't like it, and one of those
is an extremely picky eater who doesn't like just about everything. My
wife is a low carber and does not eat bread, but even she has a little
stuffing.
I don't know how anyone thinks a stuffing in a bird will feed
about 20 people at a Thanksgiving feast. Gravy is ok, but I'd
not shed a tear if it were not on the table. BUT my sister-in-
laws mother and grandmother made dressing as dry as dust.
It required gallons of gravy.
Dave Smith
2024-10-14 19:06:01 UTC
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I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing.  Hell, you might as skip the
gravy too. Stuffing was always an integral part of a roasted turkey in
my family and my wife's. To the best of my knowledge, there are only a
couple people in my extended family who don't like it, and one of those
is an extremely picky eater who doesn't like just about everything. My
wife is a low carber and does not eat bread, but even she has a little
stuffing.
I don't know how anyone thinks a stuffing in a bird will feed
about 20 people at a Thanksgiving feast.  Gravy is ok, but I'd
not shed a tear if it were not on the table.  BUT my sister-in-
laws mother and grandmother made dressing as dry as dust.
It required gallons of gravy.
I would definitely miss the gravy if it were not on the table. I don't
want a lot. I just need a little for the mashed potatoes and maybe on
the meat. Our dressing has always been most. It would never occur to me
put gravy on it.
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 19:13:11 UTC
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I don't know how anyone thinks a stuffing in a bird will feed
about 20 people at a Thanksgiving feast.
No possible way - that requires a separate covered dish of stuffing.

And lots of other sides, brought pot luck style.

Which is what Thanksgiving was meant to be from the get go.

A feast for many, made by many.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-14 19:24:25 UTC
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I don't know how anyone thinks a stuffing in a bird will feed
about 20 people at a Thanksgiving feast.
No possible way - that requires a separate covered dish of stuffing.
And lots of other sides, brought pot luck style.
Which is what Thanksgiving was meant to be from the get go.
A feast for many, made by many.
Yes! A very large dish of dressing and yes, everybody
contributes something to the feast so the host is not
worn to a frazzle when it's time to eat. Nor are they
broke from the expense of the meal.
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 19:58:15 UTC
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I don't know how anyone thinks a stuffing in a bird will feed
about 20 people at a Thanksgiving feast.
No possible way - that requires a separate covered dish of stuffing.
And lots of other sides, brought pot luck style.
Which is what Thanksgiving was meant to be from the get go.
A feast for many, made by many.
Yes!  A very large dish of dressing and yes, everybody
contributes something to the feast so the host is not
worn to a frazzle when it's time to eat.  Nor are they
broke from the expense of the meal.
Ding!

This may be one old tradition where despite the absence of first
nations' peoples at the tables across the land we at least got the
intent and spirit of it right.

Our rcent sample cost for the spread by year:


https://www.fb.org/news-release/farm-bureau-survey-shows-thanksgiving-dinner-cost-up-20

Nov 16, 2022
Spending time with family and friends at Thanksgiving remains important
for many Americans and this year the cost of the meal is also top of
mind. Farm Bureau’s 37th annual survey provides a snapshot of the
average cost of this year’s classic Thanksgiving feast for 10, which is
$64.05 or less than $6.50 per person. This is a $10.74 or 20% increase
from last year’s average of $53.31.

https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/cost-of-thanksgiving-dinner

2023
The cost of Thanksgiving dinner for 10 people was down about three
dollars from last year, according to the American Farm Bureau Federation
(AFBF). But the average cost for 2023 is still $61.17, which is more
expensive than in any pre-pandemic year.

And your holiday dinner cost was likely higher if you swapped out turkey
for ham or cranberry sauce for a veggie tray. That’s because, aside from
whipping cream, those items decreased the most in price from last year.

But what you eat isn’t the only factor determining the cost of
Thanksgiving dinner. People in some areas of the United States are
expected to pay more this year. Taxes on groceries also play a role in
some states.

Now up in Saskatchewan, wow - here's inflation for ya:

https://www.discoverweyburn.com/articles/how-much-does-a-thanksgiving-meal-cost-lets-find-out

After a fun shopping spree, it was revealed that the average cost of a
Thanksgiving dinner can hit around $112.
Cindy Hamilton
2024-10-14 21:48:01 UTC
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Juices at the bottom of the pan after the turkey was cooked
is what we made dressing with.
What do you use for gravy?
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I don't know how anyone thinks a stuffing in a bird will feed
about 20 people at a Thanksgiving feast.
Do you really feed 20 people at Thanksgiving? My childhood
family was four adults and one child; my husband's was two
adults and five children.

Now it's just the two of us.
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Cindy Hamilton
Leonard Blaisdell
2024-10-15 00:16:28 UTC
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Do you really feed 20 people at Thanksgiving? My childhood
family was four adults and one child; my husband's was two
adults and five children.
Now it's just the two of us.
There were always three of us when I was growing up. When I was seven or
eight, we were invited to a Thanksgiving dinner for about eight people.
The husband chopped the head off of a live turkey and plucked and gutted
it. His wife cooked it. I had a very rare drumstick and got sick
afterwards. That was the only time in my life that I ever got sick from
a meal. Knock on wood.
A beheaded turkey does pretty much what you've heard that beheaded
chickens do. Maybe you've seen it. I will never forget that
Thanksgiving dinner, and I'm forgetting a lot nowadays.
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-15 03:16:58 UTC
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Do you really feed 20 people at Thanksgiving? My childhood
family was four adults and one child; my husband's was two
adults and five children.
Now it's just the two of us.
There were always three of us when I was growing up.
We're down to 17 now.
Bruce
2024-10-15 03:31:06 UTC
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Do you really feed 20 people at Thanksgiving? My childhood
family was four adults and one child; my husband's was two
adults and five children.
Now it's just the two of us.
There were always three of us when I was growing up.
We're down to 17 now.
You have 17 siblings or who are you counting?
--
Bruce
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ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-15 04:40:34 UTC
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Do you really feed 20 people at Thanksgiving? My childhood
family was four adults and one child; my husband's was two
adults and five children.
Now it's just the two of us.
There were always three of us when I was growing up.
We're down to 17 now.
You have 17 siblings or who are you counting?
It's my family that includes nieces, nephews, brother,
sister-in-law, great nephews, great-great niece, great-great
nephew, and spouses. We ALL celebrate the holidays together.
Bruce
2024-10-15 05:54:08 UTC
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Do you really feed 20 people at Thanksgiving? My childhood
family was four adults and one child; my husband's was two
adults and five children.
Now it's just the two of us.
There were always three of us when I was growing up.
We're down to 17 now.
You have 17 siblings or who are you counting?
It's my family that includes nieces, nephews, brother,
sister-in-law, great nephews, great-great niece, great-great
nephew, and spouses. We ALL celebrate the holidays together.
Oh, ok :)
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Bruce
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jmcquown
2024-10-14 22:18:48 UTC
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I don't know how anyone thinks a stuffing in a bird will feed
about 20 people at a Thanksgiving feast.  Gravy is ok, but I'd
not shed a tear if it were not on the table.  BUT my sister-in-
laws mother and grandmother made dressing as dry as dust.
It required gallons of gravy.
I couldn't begin to tell you how my former MIL made whatever it was she
called Thanksgiving dressing. It was in a large 13x9 baking dish but if
you ran a spoon through it the mixture closed right back up again behind
the spoon. It was runny. It looked like someone had regurgitated and
then heated it up. Her family loved it. I had to have a spoonful on my
plate and eat it to be polite but I remember thinking what the hell is
this? I still don't know.

Jill
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 19:31:40 UTC
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I can't imagine a turkey without stuffing.  Hell, you might as skip the
gravy too.
Them's fighting words Officer Pecksniff!
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 14:56:52 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-14 18:52:44 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 19:10:45 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Where is the misquote?

I trimmed to relevance, as is preferred protocol here.

My reply was not on the matter of stuffing turkeys.

So then?

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My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less.
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
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Post by Hiram Freeborn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
__________________________________________________________________________________

I believe my citation is authoritative and also accurate:


https://navajopeople.org/blog/ancient-navajo-and-native-americas-migrations/

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That a land bridge between Asia and North America existed during the
last ice age is strongly supported by geological evidence. Ocean water
locked up in glacial ice lowered sea levels to the point where a
corridor up to 1600km or more wide existed between Siberia and Alaska.

“Long before Euro-Americans entered the Great Basin, substantial numbers
of people lived within the present boundaries of Utah. Archaeological
reconstructions suggest human habitation stretching back some 12,000
years. The earliest known inhabitants were members of what has been
termed the Desert Archaic Culture–nomadic hunter-gatherers with
developed basketry, flaked-stem stone tools, and implements of wood and
bone. They inhabited the region between 10,000 B.C. and A.D. 400.

These peoples moved in extended family units, hunting small game and
gathering the periodically abundant seeds and roots in a slightly more
cool and moist Great Basin environment.

About A.D. 400, the Fremont Culture began to emerge in northern and
eastern Utah out of this Desert tradition. The Fremont peoples retained
many Desert hunting-gathering characteristics yet also incorporated a
maize-bean-squash horticultural component by A.D. 800-900. They lived in
masonry structures and made sophisticated basketry, pottery, and clay
figurines for ceremonial purposes. Intrusive Numic peoples displaced or
absorbed the Fremont sometime after A.D. 1000.

Beginning in A.D. 400, the Anasazi, with their Basketmaker Pueblo
Culture traditions, moved into southeastern Utah from south of the
Colorado River. Like the Fremont to the north the Anasazi (a Navajo word
meaning “the ancient ones”) were relatively sedentary peoples who had
developed a maize-bean-squash-based agriculture.

The Anasazi built rectangular masonry dwellings and large apartment
complexes that were tucked into cliff faces or situated on valley floors
like the structures at Grand Gulch and Hovenweep National Monument. They
constructed pithouse granaries, made coiled and twined basketry, clay
figurines, and a fine gray-black pottery. The Anasazi prospered until
A.D. 1200-1400 when climactic changes, crop failures, and the intrusion
of Numic hunter-gatherers forced a southward migration and reintegration
with the Pueblo peoples of Arizona and New Mexico.”

Archaeologists believe the indigenous peoples that eventually populated
the Americas occurred in three separate migrations.The largest of these
groups is referred to as the Amerind (Paleo-Indians). The Amerind, which
includes most Native Americans south of the Canadian border, commenced
around 11,500 B.C..A second migration called the Na-Dene occurred
between 10,000 B.C. and 8, 000 B.C.. Even though at this point the
Bering Sea separated Siberia and Alaska, it was only three miles wide in
some places.

The Athapascan speaking populations of Canada and the United States
belong to this group of migrants. The Apache and Navajo in the
southwestern United States are from the Athapascan migrants.

The third migration around 3,000 B.C. included the Aleuts and Eskimos of
Alaska, Canada, and the Aleutian Islands (Taylor).

According to modern belief The Navajos are descended from that great
race which produced Genghis Khan and conquered in his lifetime half the
world. While the victorious Mongols were driving relentlessly west and
south, making kings and emperors their vassals, some small fragments of
their clans were crossing Bering Sea, probably on the ice, and gradually
overrunning North America.

There are, many significant facts which, to the student of literature at
least, prove an Asiatic origin.The Venetian traveler, Marco Polo, who
visited the Court of Kublai Khan in 1275, gives some very interesting
accounts of the Mongols,At a later date the French Jesuit, M. Hue,
describes the wild tribes of the Grasslands. We have thus a picture of
the social life of the Mongols with which to make comparisons.
Both authors agree that among the primitive Mongols the women attended
to all the trading.They bought and sold and provided every necessity for
their husbands and families: ‘The time of the men,’ as Marco Polo says,
‘being entirely devoted to hunting, hawking, and matters that relate to
military life.’
The same is true among the Navajos to-day, as far as the women are
concerned.

“Wherever they went — until the white people subdued them — the Dineh’
like the Mongols, were raiders and spoilers. The mystery of the vanished
Cliff-Dwellers is a mystery no longer when we know the nature of the
warriors who came among them. The Zuñis told Cushing that twenty-two
different tribes had been wiped out by the Enemy People, as they called
them; and the walled-up doors of proud Pueblo Bonito testify mutely to
the fears of its inhabitants.” (Dane Coolidge 1930)

Happy Dine' Day then to all!

Or most...

Or some...

Or...
ItsJoanNotJoAnn
2024-10-14 19:21:53 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Where is the misquote?
I trimmed to relevance, as is preferred protocol here.
I never said I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
That was Cindy and this is twice you've attributed a quote to me
when replying to me that I did not state.

Do better or you'll continue to be ignored by me.
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 19:47:00 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Where is the misquote?
I trimmed to relevance, as is preferred protocol here.
I never said I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Nor did I cite you as having done or said so.
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That was Cindy and this is twice you've attributed a quote to me
when replying to me that I did not state.
All I reply to is the body text of a given reply.

Cindy's post and message id:
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
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Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Do better or you'll continue to be ignored by me.
All I did was reply to a succeeding post in the thread, trimmed to
revised topic at hand - Columbus Day.

I think whichever news client you are using may have posted attribution
carat issues.

On a thread this long I'm not going to take the time to back track each
poster's individual replies for specific attributions and then add them
in to the quoted text.

I've seen some newsreaders that are configured that way, but it requires
a lot of code to be able to put the initials of each poster before their
comments and maintain that through multiple replies.

If you want to hold that against me have at, it's not my formatting nor
my doing.

:-|
D
2024-10-14 20:24:13 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Where is the misquote?
I trimmed to relevance, as is preferred protocol here.
I never said I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
That was Cindy and this is twice you've attributed a quote to me
when replying to me that I did not state.
Do better or you'll continue to be ignored by me.
Oh the pleasures of a nice trimjob!
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 20:31:33 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Where is the misquote?
I trimmed to relevance, as is preferred protocol here.
I never said I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
That was Cindy and this is twice you've attributed a quote to me
when replying to me that I did not state.
Do better or you'll continue to be ignored by me.
Oh the pleasures of a nice trimjob!
Next time - Brazilian wax with attribution!

Stubble be damned...
jmcquown
2024-10-14 23:44:47 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Where is the misquote?
I trimmed to relevance, as is preferred protocol here.
I never said I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
That was Cindy and this is twice you've attributed a quote to me
when replying to me that I did not state.
Do better or you'll continue to be ignored by me.
One could only hope, but he'll nymshift.

Jill
Bruce
2024-10-14 20:30:33 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
You're right, but the idea that YOU would speak of "Native American
Subjugation Day" is very funny :)
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Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 20:34:42 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
You're right,
No, she's not.

But trimming posts is like that.
Post by Bruce
but the idea that YOU would speak of "Native American
Subjugation Day" is very funny :)
Twas Cindy's line, just for accuracy.

I call it Happy Vikings Day!

We serve very well-dried lutefisk and a shot of schnapps.

Later on we go ice fishing for whitefish.
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2024-10-14 21:46:20 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Or, you could killfile him. I must have his domain killfiled; I
don't see his posts.
--
Cindy Hamilton
jmcquown
2024-10-14 22:25:36 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Or, you could killfile him. I must have his domain killfiled; I
don't see his posts.
Joan doesn't do that. Is filtering possible with novabbs?

Jill
Rock Stolid
2024-10-14 23:04:03 UTC
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Is filtering possible with novabbs?
Jill
If it were would you even exist?
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2024-10-14 23:10:52 UTC
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Is filtering possible with novabbs?
Jill
If it were would you even exist?
Yes, filtering exists on novaBBS.
Hank Rogers
2024-10-14 23:34:47 UTC
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Is filtering possible with novabbs?
Jill
If it were would you even exist?
Yes, filtering exists on novaBBS.
Uh oh. You shouldn't have told her Majesty that. She'll be furious with
you.
jmcquown
2024-10-14 23:43:58 UTC
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Is filtering possible with novabbs?
Jill
If it were would you even exist?
Yes, filtering exists on novaBBS.
Good to know I don't see "Rock Stolid" yet I'm not using novaBBS.

Jill
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Or, you could killfile him. I must have his domain killfiled; I
don't see his posts.
Joan's affinity with various trolls even got her into trouble with the
Sisterhood. This rift was only restored by the fact that they had fun
badmouthing common enemy Ophelia together.
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2024-10-14 22:52:37 UTC
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I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
Dineh say...who us???
Until you learn to quote correctly, I'll not answer you.
Or, you could killfile him. I must have his domain killfiled; I
don't see his posts.
But it was important for others to know this, yes?
Mike Duffy
2024-10-14 16:21:54 UTC
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Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge
Yeah, some sort of presumed extinct genus of carnivorous apes.
Today, we know tham as 'Bigfoot', 'Yeti', &c.

I recentlty repeated my story about hearing one in the bush at night.
Dave Smith
2024-10-14 16:31:22 UTC
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Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge
Yeah, some sort of presumed extinct genus of carnivorous apes.
Today, we know tham as 'Bigfoot', 'Yeti', &c.
I recentlty repeated my story about hearing one in the bush at night.
Was there alcohol involved?

For years we went to this family camp thing in Algonquin Park and spend
many hours around campfires. One night a few of the people in our group
decided to go out on a wolf howl. Their plan was to go out to a
particular area about a mile from the camp. They were all excited that
they had encountered a pack of wolves. They were howling and the wolves
were answering. The next morning I was talking to someone who had had a
similar adventure the night before. They had been howling and wolves
had answered. By coincidence, they were just a few hundred yards from
where the other group had had a similar experience, and at the same
time. It turned out these two groups have been howling to each other.
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2024-10-14 19:02:50 UTC
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Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge
Yeah, some sort of presumed extinct genus of carnivorous apes.
Today, we know tham as 'Bigfoot', 'Yeti', &c.
I recentlty repeated my story about hearing one in the bush at night.
Was there alcohol involved?
For years we went to this family camp thing in Algonquin Park and spend
many hours around campfires. One night a few of the people in our group
decided to go out on a wolf howl. Their plan was to go out to a
particular area about a mile from the camp. They were all excited that
they had encountered a pack of wolves. They were howling and the wolves
were answering. The next morning I was talking to someone who had had a
similar adventure the night before. They had been howling and wolves
had answered. By coincidence, they were just a few hundred yards from
where the other group had had a similar experience, and at the same
time. It turned out these two groups have been howling to each other.
*GUFFAW*
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2024-10-14 19:35:05 UTC
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By coincidence, they were just a few hundred yards from where the other
group had had a similar experience, and at the same time.  It turned out
these two groups have been howling to each other.
Howling was Covid morale builder in some places, oddly:

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-coronavirus-howling-moon-scream-stay-at-home-order-pandemic-denver/

DENVER (AP) — It starts with a few people letting loose with some
tentative yelps. Then neighbors emerge from their homes and join,
forming a roiling chorus of howls and screams that pierces the twilight
to end another day's monotonous forced isolation.

From California to Colorado to Georgia and New York, Americans are
taking a moment each night at 8 p.m. to howl in a quickly spreading
ritual that has become a wrenching response of a society cut off from
one another by the coronavirus pandemic.

They howl to thank the nation's health care workers and first responders
for their selfless sacrifices, much like the balcony applause and
singing in Italy and Spain. Others do it to reduce their pain, isolation
and frustration. Some have other reasons, such as to show support for
the homeless.

In Colorado, Gov. Jared Polis has encouraged residents to participate.
Children who miss their classmates and backyard dogs join in, their own
yowls punctuated by the occasional fireworks, horn blowing and bell ringing.

RELATED: LISTEN: Elk Joins People Howling At Moon During Stay-At-Home Order

"There's something very Western about howling that's resonating in
Colorado. The call-and-response aspect of it. Most people try it and
love to hear the howl in return," said Brice Maiurro, a poet,
storyteller and activist who works at National Jewish Health.

The nightly howl is a primal affirmation that provides a moment's bright
spot each evening by declaring, collectively: We shall prevail, said Dr.
Scott Cypers, director of Stress and Anxiety programs at the Helen and
Arthur E. Johnson Depression Center at the University of Colorado
Anschutz Medical Campus. It's a way to take back some of the control
that the pandemic-forced social isolation has forced everyone to give
up, Cypers said.

"The virus' impact is very different for everyone, and this is a way to
say, 'This sucks,' and get it out in a loud way," Cypers said. "Just
being able to scream and shout and let out pent-up grief and loss is
important. Little kids, on the other hand, are really enjoying this."

Maiurro and his partner, Shelsea Ochoa, a street activist and artist,
formed the Facebook group Go Outside and Howl at 8 p.m. The group has
nearly half a million members from all 50 U.S. states and 99 countries
since they created it as Colorado's shelter-in-place order went into
effect last month.

"We wanted to do this mostly because people are feeling isolated right
now," said Ochoa, 33, who works at the Denver Museum of Nature &
Science. "I think it hit on something others needed."
jmcquown
2024-10-14 22:22:00 UTC
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Yeah, some sort of presumed extinct genus of carnivorous apes.
Today, we know tham as 'Bigfoot', 'Yeti', &c.
I recentlty repeated my story about hearing one in the bush at night.
Was there alcohol involved?
For years we went to this family camp thing in Algonquin Park and spend
many hours around campfires.  One night a few of the people in our group
decided to go out on a wolf howl. Their plan was to go out to a
particular  area about a mile from the camp.  They were all excited that
they had encountered a pack of wolves. They were howling and the wolves
were answering. The next morning I was talking to someone who had had a
similar adventure the night before.  They had been howling and wolves
had answered.  By coincidence, they were just a few hundred yards from
where the other group had had a similar experience, and at the same
time.  It turned out these two groups have been howling to each other.
LOL!

Jill
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 19:30:34 UTC
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Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge
Yeah, some sort of presumed extinct genus of carnivorous apes.
Today, we know tham as 'Bigfoot', 'Yeti', &c.
I recentlty repeated my story about hearing one in the bush at night.
You might find this podcast of value:

https://www.youtube.com/@iNTOTHEFRAY



Kaitlin discusses strange encounters experienced from a young age. UFOs,
impactful premonitions, Bigfoot encounters that range from rock throwing
to VERY close run-ins, (literally) orbs filmed in broad daylight, and
the terrifying alien-centric encounters her mom suffers with.
Bruce
2024-10-14 18:41:30 UTC
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My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less.
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
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Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
And that explains why you should celebrate that white people stole it
x hundred years ago?
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Rock Stolid
2024-10-14 18:50:32 UTC
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Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
And that explains why you should celebrate that white people stole it
x hundred years ago?
Yes.

Everyone gets to celebrate in their own course of human affairs and
succeeding imperialistic conquests.

In fact:

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2023-10-09/indigenous-peoples-day-why-its-replacing-columbus-day


"In 1990, South Dakota – currently the state with the third-largest
population of Native Americans in the U.S. – became the first state to
officially recognize Native Americans’ Day, commonly referred to as
Indigenous Peoples Day in other parts of the country.

More than a dozen states and the District of Columbia now recognize
Indigenous Peoples Day. Those states include Alabama, Alaska, Hawaii,
Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico, North
Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia and Wisconsin.

How does Indigenous Peoples Day change things?
Indigenous Peoples Day offers an opportunity for educators to rethink
how they teach what some have characterized as a “sanitized” story of
the arrival of Columbus. This version omits or downplays the devastating
impact of Columbus’ arrival on Indigenous peoples. Indigenous Peoples
Day is an opportunity to reconcile tensions between these two perspectives."


I bet it won't work though.

How can the Hopi celebrate the land lost to the Din'eh?

https://navajotimes.com/reznews/navajo-hopi-relocation-still-impacting-navajo-families-in-21st-century/

https://www.indigenousaction.org/geopolitics-of-the-navajo-hopi-land-dispute-zine/
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 19:15:41 UTC
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And that explains why you should celebrate that white people stole it
x hundred years ago?
No, this is Dine' Day now:

https://navajopeople.org/blog/ancient-navajo-and-native-americas-migrations/

"That a land bridge between Asia and North America existed during the
last ice age is strongly supported by geological evidence. Ocean water
locked up in glacial ice lowered sea levels to the point where a
corridor up to 1600km or more wide existed between Siberia and Alaska.

“Long before Euro-Americans entered the Great Basin, substantial numbers
of people lived within the present boundaries of Utah. Archaeological
reconstructions suggest human habitation stretching back some 12,000
years. The earliest known inhabitants were members of what has been
termed the Desert Archaic Culture–nomadic hunter-gatherers with
developed basketry, flaked-stem stone tools, and implements of wood and
bone. They inhabited the region between 10,000 B.C. and A.D. 400.

These peoples moved in extended family units, hunting small game and
gathering the periodically abundant seeds and roots in a slightly more
cool and moist Great Basin environment.

About A.D. 400, the Fremont Culture began to emerge in northern and
eastern Utah out of this Desert tradition. The Fremont peoples retained
many Desert hunting-gathering characteristics yet also incorporated a
maize-bean-squash horticultural component by A.D. 800-900. They lived in
masonry structures and made sophisticated basketry, pottery, and clay
figurines for ceremonial purposes. Intrusive Numic peoples displaced or
absorbed the Fremont sometime after A.D. 1000.

Beginning in A.D. 400, the Anasazi, with their Basketmaker Pueblo
Culture traditions, moved into southeastern Utah from south of the
Colorado River. Like the Fremont to the north the Anasazi (a Navajo word
meaning “the ancient ones”) were relatively sedentary peoples who had
developed a maize-bean-squash-based agriculture.

The Anasazi built rectangular masonry dwellings and large apartment
complexes that were tucked into cliff faces or situated on valley floors
like the structures at Grand Gulch and Hovenweep National Monument. They
constructed pithouse granaries, made coiled and twined basketry, clay
figurines, and a fine gray-black pottery. The Anasazi prospered until
A.D. 1200-1400 when climactic changes, crop failures, and the intrusion
of Numic hunter-gatherers forced a southward migration and reintegration
with the Pueblo peoples of Arizona and New Mexico.”

Archaeologists believe the indigenous peoples that eventually populated
the Americas occurred in three separate migrations.The largest of these
groups is referred to as the Amerind (Paleo-Indians). The Amerind, which
includes most Native Americans south of the Canadian border, commenced
around 11,500 B.C..A second migration called the Na-Dene occurred
between 10,000 B.C. and 8, 000 B.C.. Even though at this point the
Bering Sea separated Siberia and Alaska, it was only three miles wide in
some places.

The Athapascan speaking populations of Canada and the United States
belong to this group of migrants. The Apache and Navajo in the
southwestern United States are from the Athapascan migrants.

The third migration around 3,000 B.C. included the Aleuts and Eskimos of
Alaska, Canada, and the Aleutian Islands (Taylor).

According to modern belief The Navajos are descended from that great
race which produced Genghis Khan and conquered in his lifetime half the
world. While the victorious Mongols were driving relentlessly west and
south, making kings and emperors their vassals, some small fragments of
their clans were crossing Bering Sea, probably on the ice, and gradually
overrunning North America.

There are, many significant facts which, to the student of literature at
least, prove an Asiatic origin.The Venetian traveler, Marco Polo, who
visited the Court of Kublai Khan in 1275, gives some very interesting
accounts of the Mongols,At a later date the French Jesuit, M. Hue,
describes the wild tribes of the Grasslands. We have thus a picture of
the social life of the Mongols with which to make comparisons.
Both authors agree that among the primitive Mongols the women attended
to all the trading.They bought and sold and provided every necessity for
their husbands and families: ‘The time of the men,’ as Marco Polo says,
‘being entirely devoted to hunting, hawking, and matters that relate to
military life.’
The same is true among the Navajos to-day, as far as the women are
concerned.

“Wherever they went — until the white people subdued them — the Dineh’
like the Mongols, were raiders and spoilers. The mystery of the vanished
Cliff-Dwellers is a mystery no longer when we know the nature of the
warriors who came among them. The Zuñis told Cushing that twenty-two
different tribes had been wiped out by the Enemy People, as they called
them; and the walled-up doors of proud Pueblo Bonito testify mutely to
the fears of its inhabitants.” (Dane Coolidge 1930)"


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2024-10-14 19:17:50 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
And that explains why you should celebrate that white people stole it
x hundred years ago?
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2024-10-14 20:32:43 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
And that explains why you should celebrate that white people stole it
x hundred years ago?
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2024-10-14 20:38:43 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
And that explains why you should celebrate that white people stole it
x hundred years ago?
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You have the empathy of a door knob.
Your dorkknob is showing:

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2024-10-14 21:08:50 UTC
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My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less.
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
And that explains why you should celebrate that white people stole it
x hundred years ago?
Thinking about this situation, calling them Native Americans is an
insult. It was not America when they became natives of the land.

What do Native Americans prefer to be called?
The consensus, however, is that whenever possible, Native people prefer
to be called by their specific tribal name. In the United States, Native
American has been widely used but is falling out of favor with some
groups, and the terms American Indian or Indigenous American are
preferred by many Native people
Bruce
2024-10-14 21:35:49 UTC
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Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
And that explains why you should celebrate that white people stole it
x hundred years ago?
Thinking about this situation, calling them Native Americans is an
insult. It was not America when they became natives of the land.
What do Native Americans prefer to be called?
The consensus, however, is that whenever possible, Native people prefer
to be called by their specific tribal name. In the United States, Native
American has been widely used but is falling out of favor with some
groups, and the terms American Indian or Indigenous American are
preferred by many Native people
But that still uses "America".

"Native Australians" is a bit iffy, maybe for the same reason as
"Native Americans". "Aborigines" is frowned upon by some because it's
seen as a colonial term, but "Aboriginals" is somehow ok, for the time
being. Except, that doesn't include "Torres Strait Islander people",
the other group of native Australians. You can solve that by using
"First Nations people". At least that's shorter than "Aboriginal and
Torres Strait Islander peoples", which government texts tend to use.
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2024-10-14 23:02:34 UTC
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My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today.  I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less.
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey?  It's just a vessel for stuffing.
I don't know, I've never stuffed a turkey and know no one
who has.
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
Don't forget those native Americans stole land from someone
else when they skipped across that land bridge a few zillion
years ago.
And that explains why you should celebrate that white people stole it
x hundred years ago?
Thinking about this situation, calling them Native Americans is an
insult.  It was not America when they became natives of the land.
OH GOOD GRIEF!

It's this kind of bullshit over-sensitivity to any and all terms of
place, origins, people, you name it, that have led this nation down the
path of genuflecting to gnats, to assuage their feelings.
Post by Ed P
What do Native Americans prefer to be called?
The consensus, however, is that whenever possible, Native people prefer
to be called by their specific tribal name.
That is not a collective noun (obviously) clownshow!
Post by Ed P
In the United States, Native
American has been widely used but is falling out of favor with some
groups, and the terms American Indian or Indigenous American are
preferred by many Native people
Well fuck all and send 'em some old Redskins t-shirts, the maroon will
disguise any cranberry dressing stains!

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2024-10-14 14:04:31 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
Enjoy!!
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
How do you stuff a split turkey? It's just a vessel for stuffing.
Post by ItsJoanNotJoAnn
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day. But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I usually call it "Native American Subjugation Day".
I don't call it anything other than a day off from work. And no, I
don't get paid for it.

Jill
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2024-10-14 13:45:43 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today.  I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.
Enjoy!!
Could you have requested the turkey be split down the middle
and frozen for a later date??
Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I have never understood Columbus Day. But yes, it's a holiday.

Jill
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2024-10-14 14:23:30 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I have never understood Columbus Day.  But yes, it's a holiday.
It's not here. Columbus was more about places to the south. Apparently
there had been a Viking settlement here that no one knew about until
recently. Columbus gets credit for finding places down there and
claiming it in the name of Spain. Cartier gets credit for finding
Canada and claiming it for the French and the Cabot gets credit for
being the first to claim lands for Canada. The Dutch get almost no
credit for having staked claims in New Amsterdam.
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 14:58:51 UTC
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The Dutch get almost no credit for having staked claims in New Amsterdam.
Leave them their glorious Boer War, you serf of the royal reptiles.
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2024-10-14 21:39:22 UTC
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Tomorrow is a federal holiday here, Columbus Day.  But if
you are overly sensitive it is "Indigenous People Day."
I have never understood Columbus Day.  But yes, it's a holiday.
It's not here. Columbus was more about places to the south.  Apparently
there had been a Viking settlement here that no one knew about until
recently. Columbus gets credit for finding places down there and
claiming it in the name of Spain.  Cartier gets credit for finding
Canada and claiming it for the French and the Cabot gets credit for
being the first to claim lands for Canada. The Dutch get almost no
credit for having staked claims in New Amsterdam.
Heck, even I knew the Dutch settled New Amsterdam (these days known as
Manhattan and the surrounding islands/burroughs in New York).

Jill
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2024-10-14 00:49:07 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today. I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.
I usually send leftover turkey with my son and with my brother. My son
and his wife are in Italy this week. They have been in Italy for a week
and are going to Vienna for about a week before they return.
I just made some cranberry sauce. I had made a pie crust last week and
my wife is going to make a butterscotch pie. It seems I am the only one
here who likes pumpkin pie. However, we have ordered to pumpkin cheese
jack from the corner bakery.
Happy Thanksgiving! Watch out for that Costco pumpkin pie.

I'm eating some fried shrimp. The frozen shrimp was mixed with Thai red
chili paste, and cornstarch. It was fried in oil at about 400 degrees
i.e., hot! You wouldn't normally fry shrimp in such hot oil but these
had the shells on and the frying was only a few seconds. Some garlic and
black bean chili sauce was fried with a little oil and the shrimp was
added to coat. There you go.

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2024-10-14 01:08:57 UTC
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I just made some cranberry sauce. I had made a pie crust last week and
my wife is going to make a butterscotch pie. It seems I am the only one
here who likes pumpkin pie. However, we have ordered to pumpkin cheese
jack from the corner bakery.
Happy Thanksgiving! Watch out for that Costco pumpkin pie.
Thanks. We will do our best to enjoy the food and company.
I have heard that those Costco pumpkin pies are pretty good. They were
$6.99 the other day and I saw a guy leaving with one of those flat carts
piled high with them. There had to be 4-5 dozen of them.
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I'm eating some fried shrimp. The frozen shrimp was mixed with Thai red
chili paste, and cornstarch. It was fried in oil at about 400 degrees
i.e., hot! You wouldn't normally fry shrimp in such hot oil but these
had the shells on and the frying was only a few seconds. Some garlic and
black bean chili sauce was fried with a little oil and the shrimp was
added to coat. There you go.
I made tacos. There were shrimp tacos for me and I made fish tacos for
my wife because she can't eat shrimp anymore. It was a first for me to
make them. I made a mixture of salt, pepper, cumin, paprika, smoked
paprika, chili powder, garlic powder and habanero powder. I heated two
pans, sprinkled the mix on the shrimps and on the haddock and fried
them separately. I had some pico de gallo and sliced up an avocado.
had picked up some keto tortillas and warmed them up. I threw
everything together, added a little sour cream and lime juice and we
were off to the races. I shrimp tacos were great and my wife loved her
fish tacos.
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2024-10-14 01:19:17 UTC
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I just made some cranberry sauce. I had made a pie crust last week and
my wife is going to make a butterscotch pie. It seems I am the only one
here who likes pumpkin pie. However, we have ordered to pumpkin cheese
jack from the corner bakery.
Happy Thanksgiving! Watch out for that Costco pumpkin pie.
Thanks. We will do our best to enjoy the food and company.
Easier for you than for the company.
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Rock Stolid
2024-10-14 16:38:30 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today.  I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.
I usually send leftover turkey with my son and with my brother. My son
and his wife are in Italy this week. They have been in Italy for a week
and are going to Vienna for about a week before they return.
I just made some cranberry sauce. I had made a pie crust last week and
my wife is going to make a butterscotch pie. It seems I am the only one
here who likes pumpkin pie. However, we have ordered to pumpkin cheese
jack from the corner bakery.
Happy Thanksgiving! Watch out for that Costco pumpkin pie.
I'm eating some fried shrimp. The frozen shrimp was mixed with Thai red
chili paste, and cornstarch. It was fried in oil at about 400 degrees
i.e., hot! You wouldn't normally fry shrimp in such hot oil but these
had the shells on and the frying was only a few seconds. Some garlic and
black bean chili sauce was fried with a little oil and the shrimp was
added to coat. There you go.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KPAXRawkuuTaZN5Y7
Great technique, the crispy shell is sealing juices in and providing flavor.

For those that don;t eat shrimp shells I ask, why not?

Heads too! (if on)
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2024-10-14 13:28:33 UTC
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Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who are celebrating it this
weekend and to those to the south who celebrate it a month and a half late.
My wife had ordered a fresh turkey and I picked it up today.  I was a
little disappointed that we ended up with a bigger bird that I had
wanted. It's hard to get then 12 lb or less and we usually end up with a
15 pounder. This one is 18 lb. That might not be a problem if we had a
larger crowd but there will only be 5 of us.
Happy Thanksgiving! That's a big turkey.
Post by Dave Smith
I usually send leftover turkey with my son and with my brother. My son
and his wife are in Italy this week. They have been in Italy for a week
and are going to Vienna for about a week before they return.
Sounds like a nice trip. Perhaps you can wrap and freeze the leftovers
to give them upon their return. :)
Post by Dave Smith
I just made some cranberry sauce. I had made a pie crust last week and
my wife is going to make a butterscotch pie. It seems I am the only one
here who likes pumpkin pie. However, we have ordered to pumpkin cheese
jack from the corner bakery.
I'm sure you meant pumpkin cheese *cake*. ;)

I'm not a fan of turkey. I might roast a cornish hen when USian
Thanksgiving rolls around next month. Or not. For a poultry
Thanksgiving dinner I am more a fan of the side dishes such as cornbread
dressing (stuffing baked in a bread pan, not stuffed into the bird),
squash casserole, roasted cauliflower, things like that.

Jill
Hiram Freeborn
2024-10-14 14:50:26 UTC
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I'm not a fan of turkey.
NO

one

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