slightly OT.... a clean oven

[Dave Smith]

I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it today. It
may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it actually looked
bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what I was thinking when I
opted not to get a self cleaning oven.

[Coogan's Bluff]

I don't know what I was thinking when I opted not to get a self
cleaning oven.

Cheeeeaaap!

[Hank Rogers]

Post by Dave Smith
I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it today. It
may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it actually looked
bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what I was thinking when I
opted not to get a self  cleaning oven.

Hell, Officer Dave, you should order the megatron to do that menial shit
and go on a long motorcycle ride, or maybe spread trash on neighbor's
lawns while she's working.

You could come back here and crow about it too.

[Coogan's Bluff]

Post by Hank Rogers

Post by Dave Smith
I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it today.
It may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it actually
looked bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what I was
thinking when I opted not to get a self  cleaning oven.

Hell, Officer Dave, you should order the megatron to do that menial shit
and go on a long motorcycle ride, or maybe spread trash on neighbor's
lawns while she's working.
You could come back here and crow about it too.

He'd more likely be raven on it...

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Dave Smith
I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it today. It
may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it actually looked
bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what I was thinking when I
opted not to get a self cleaning oven.

Good grief. I haven't cleaned an oven since 1989.

[Ed P]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Dave Smith
I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it today. It
may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it actually looked
bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what I was thinking when I
opted not to get a self cleaning oven.

Good grief. I haven't cleaned an oven since 1989.

I don't use it very often. Never used the "self clean" in the 6 years
here, but my cleaning lady wipes it out every visit.

A pan of bacon every couple of weeks, two cakes a year. Air fryer does
many of the other tasks now.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Dave Smith
I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it today. It
may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it actually looked
bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what I was thinking when I
opted not to get a self  cleaning oven.

For some reason, so many people without self cleaning ovens seem to
struggle. My 50's enamel coated oven is smaller than modern ones, and I
find it easy to regularly wipe it out. Sure, sometimes I have to scour
it, but my normal approach to any cleaning is to regularly wipe anything
out so I don't really ever have to deep clean. Maybe use a flat blade
to scrape any discoloration from the window in the oven door.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Dave Smith
I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it today. It
may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it actually looked
bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what I was thinking when I
opted not to get a self cleaning oven.

I have a self-cleaning Jenn-Air oven from 1987. I've probably
self-cleaned it fifteen times. I have never manually cleaned it.
Why bother? Sterilization is what the hot oven temperatures are for.
The oven is ugly but perfectly functional.
The downside is I won't take pictures of food cooking in it. If I hosted
a food TV program, somebody else would do that.
I used to clean it because I felt guilty. I quit feeling guilty.

What the hell, and so what?

<https://postimg.cc/LJwdqYfP>

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Dave Smith
I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it today. It
may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it actually looked
bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what I was thinking when I
opted not to get a self cleaning oven.

I have a self-cleaning Jenn-Air oven from 1987. I've probably
self-cleaned it fifteen times. I have never manually cleaned it.
Why bother?

I run the self-cleaning cycle so the smoke alarm won't go off.

[Carol]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Dave Smith
I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it

today. It >> may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it
actually looked >> bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what
I was thinking when I >> opted not to get a self cleaning oven.

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
I have a self-cleaning Jenn-Air oven from 1987. I've probably
self-cleaned it fifteen times. I have never manually cleaned it.
Why bother?

I run the self-cleaning cycle so the smoke alarm won't go off.

Snicker!

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Cindy Hamilton
I run the self-cleaning cycle so the smoke alarm won't go off.

Mine vents to the outside. I just have to remember to turn on the fan.
Actually, when I turn the knob to clean, the stove automatically turns
on the suction fan.
I usually trip the smoke alarm by forgetting to turn on the fan while
sauteing (frying) meat on high, on the stove top.
I do get a funky smell in the house when the stove self-cleans, but it
soon goes away.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Cindy Hamilton
I run the self-cleaning cycle so the smoke alarm won't go off.

Mine vents to the outside. I just have to remember to turn on the fan.
Actually, when I turn the knob to clean, the stove automatically turns
on the suction fan.

Do you have a downdraft vent on your range? My vent and range
are completely independent, although if the vent detects a sufficient
temperature rise it will turn itself on.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Cindy Hamilton
I run the self-cleaning cycle so the smoke alarm won't go off.

Mine vents to the outside. I just have to remember to turn on the fan.
Actually, when I turn the knob to clean, the stove automatically turns
on the suction fan.

Do you have a downdraft vent on your range? My vent and range
are completely independent, although if the vent detects a sufficient
temperature rise it will turn itself on.

My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no clue
where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The concept of the
fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it pulled heat down away
from what's cooking above. It almost pulls the flame out if the flame
is low.

[dsi1]

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Cindy Hamilton
I run the self-cleaning cycle so the smoke alarm won't go off.

Mine vents to the outside. I just have to remember to turn on the fan.
Actually, when I turn the knob to clean, the stove automatically turns
on the suction fan.

Do you have a downdraft vent on your range? My vent and range
are completely independent, although if the vent detects a sufficient
temperature rise it will turn itself on.

My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no clue
where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The concept of the
fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it pulled heat down away
from what's cooking above. It almost pulls the flame out if the flame
is low.

My Samsung induction range has a fan under the glass top. The magnetic
coils do produce some heat, not a lot though. The heat comes from some
internal resistance of the coils and the bottom of the pans back through
the glass. It's a highly efficient system of cooking. OTOH, my $23
butane stove and aluminum pans are just faster and easier.

Breakfast this morning was an omelette. Some butter was melted in the
pan and the heat was turned off while three eggs were broken into the
pan. The heat was turned on and the eggs were scrambled while shaking
the pan. In about 40 seconds, the heat was turned off and the eggs were
done. Super fast. I am able to do this because there's none of this slow
warm-up/residual heat nonsense.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/6yMx3AeZUmVF6HjY9



https://photos.app.goo.gl/6yMx3AeZUmVF6HjY9

[Bruce]

Post by dsi1

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Cindy Hamilton
I run the self-cleaning cycle so the smoke alarm won't go off.

Mine vents to the outside. I just have to remember to turn on the fan.
Actually, when I turn the knob to clean, the stove automatically turns
on the suction fan.

Do you have a downdraft vent on your range? My vent and range
are completely independent, although if the vent detects a sufficient
temperature rise it will turn itself on.

My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no clue
where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The concept of the
fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it pulled heat down away
from what's cooking above. It almost pulls the flame out if the flame
is low.

My Samsung induction range has a fan under the glass top. The magnetic
coils do produce some heat, not a lot though. The heat comes from some
internal resistance of the coils and the bottom of the pans back through
the glass. It's a highly efficient system of cooking. OTOH, my $23
butane stove and aluminum pans are just faster and easier.
Breakfast this morning was an omelette. Some butter was melted in the
pan and the heat was turned off while three eggs were broken into the
pan. The heat was turned on and the eggs were scrambled while shaking
the pan. In about 40 seconds, the heat was turned off and the eggs were
done. Super fast. I am able to do this because there's none of this slow
warm-up/residual heat nonsense.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6yMx3AeZUmVF6HjY9

Is that for one person?

[dsi1]

Post by Bruce

Post by dsi1

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Cindy Hamilton
I run the self-cleaning cycle so the smoke alarm won't go off.

Mine vents to the outside. I just have to remember to turn on the fan.
Actually, when I turn the knob to clean, the stove automatically turns
on the suction fan.

Do you have a downdraft vent on your range? My vent and range
are completely independent, although if the vent detects a sufficient
temperature rise it will turn itself on.

My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no clue
where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The concept of the
fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it pulled heat down away
from what's cooking above. It almost pulls the flame out if the flame
is low.

My Samsung induction range has a fan under the glass top. The magnetic
coils do produce some heat, not a lot though. The heat comes from some
internal resistance of the coils and the bottom of the pans back through
the glass. It's a highly efficient system of cooking. OTOH, my $23
butane stove and aluminum pans are just faster and easier.
Breakfast this morning was an omelette. Some butter was melted in the
pan and the heat was turned off while three eggs were broken into the
pan. The heat was turned on and the eggs were scrambled while shaking
the pan. In about 40 seconds, the heat was turned off and the eggs were
done. Super fast. I am able to do this because there's none of this slow
warm-up/residual heat nonsense.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6yMx3AeZUmVF6HjY9

Is that for one person?

It is not. If it was just me, I'd just have some coffee.

[D]

Post by dsi1

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Cindy Hamilton
I run the self-cleaning cycle so the smoke alarm won't go off.

Mine vents to the outside. I just have to remember to turn on the fan.
Actually, when I turn the knob to clean, the stove automatically turns
on the suction fan.

Do you have a downdraft vent on your range? My vent and range
are completely independent, although if the vent detects a sufficient
temperature rise it will turn itself on.

My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no clue
where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The concept of the
fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it pulled heat down away
from what's cooking above. It almost pulls the flame out if the flame
is low.

My Samsung induction range has a fan under the glass top. The magnetic
coils do produce some heat, not a lot though. The heat comes from some
internal resistance of the coils and the bottom of the pans back through
the glass. It's a highly efficient system of cooking. OTOH, my $23
butane stove and aluminum pans are just faster and easier.
Breakfast this morning was an omelette. Some butter was melted in the
pan and the heat was turned off while three eggs were broken into the
pan. The heat was turned on and the eggs were scrambled while shaking
the pan. In about 40 seconds, the heat was turned off and the eggs were
done. Super fast. I am able to do this because there's none of this slow
warm-up/residual heat nonsense.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6yMx3AeZUmVF6HjY9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6yMx3AeZUmVF6HjY9

Refreshingly food related and delicious! =) Thank you for sharing!

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Michael Trew
My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no clue
where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The concept of the
fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it pulled heat down away
from what's cooking above. It almost pulls the flame out if the flame
is low.

Are you *sure* it didn't vent outside? They're supposed to.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Michael Trew
My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no clue
where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The concept of the
fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it pulled heat down away
from what's cooking above. It almost pulls the flame out if the flame
is low.

Are you *sure* it didn't vent outside? They're supposed to.

They're supposed to, but you may have noticed people don't always
behave as they should.

When we bought this house, it had a downdraft Jenn-Aire. They
got as far as cutting a 6- or 8-inch hole in the floor and
positioning the stove over it. If we'd used the downdraft feature,
it would have vented to the basement. There was also an over-the-range
microwave with one of those useless recirculating "vents".

When we plumbed the house for natural gas, we replaced the Jenn-Aire
with a gas range and installed a proper range hood that vented up
and out.

[Carol]

Post by Michael Trew
My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no
clue where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The
concept of the fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it
pulled heat down away from what's cooking above. It almost pulls
the flame out if the flame is low.

Are you sure it didn't vent outside? They're supposed to.

I think that became codespec in the 1980's. Units before that might or
might not. The fan in my bathroom just vents to the attic (we don't
use it). 1963 (when house was built) had no specific 'vent outside'
requirement here.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Michael Trew
My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no clue
where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The concept of the
fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it pulled heat down away
from what's cooking above. It almost pulls the flame out if the flame
is low.

Are you *sure* it didn't vent outside? They're supposed to.

It is supposed to, but it's an old house, and the stove is backed to an
interior wall, center of the house. I never found a vent anywhere along
the exterior or roof.

Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that could
have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly used the
fans.

[Carol]

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew
My mother has a Jenn-Aire range with a downdraft fan between the
burners. Circa early 2000's. It did not vent outside, I have no
clue where it vented to... Maybe just behind the stove. The
concept of the fan seemed odd to me, especially on "high", it
pulled heat down away from what's cooking above. It almost pulls
the flame out if the flame is low.

Are you sure it didn't vent outside? They're supposed to.

It is supposed to, but it's an old house, and the stove is backed to
an interior wall, center of the house. I never found a vent anywhere
along the exterior or roof.
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

[jmcquown]

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.

Jill

[D]

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

[Janet]

In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

The bucket was in a nearby shed/outhouse with no window,
no electricity and no fan; but plenty of light and fresh
air if you left the door open.Or the moon was up.

Janet UK

[Graham]

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.
The bucket was in a nearby shed/outhouse with no window,
no electricity and no fan; but plenty of light and fresh
air if you left the door open.Or the moon was up.
Janet UK

Same here! I was a toddler when water was laid on and a teen
when the village finally got a sewage system.

[Bruce]

Post by Graham

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown
Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.
The bucket was in a nearby shed/outhouse with no window,
no electricity and no fan; but plenty of light and fresh
air if you left the door open.Or the moon was up.
Janet UK

Same here! I was a toddler when water was laid on and a teen
when the village finally got a sewage system.

We have neither town water nor sewage.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Janet
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Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan. Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 13:54:47 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan. Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

Do they go outside and fertilise their crops?

[Janet]

Post by Bruce
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 13:54:47 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan. Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

Do they go outside and fertilise their crops?

My ex-daughterinlaw built a brand new eco-house about
three years ago. It has mains water, but she installed an
indoor compost toilet.

Janet UK

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Bruce
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 13:54:47 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan. Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

Do they go outside and fertilise their crops?

They use an outhouse, of course.

[Janet]

In article <vif5f7$1oprs$***@dont-email.me>, chamilton5280
@invalid.com says...

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan.
Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

After my mother sister and I moved to town, my
grandfather's county landlord insisted on installing a
bathroom in his house, (and mains water) but he wouldn't
use either. "You never know what's been put in town
water".

He carried on drinking water hand-pumped from the well in
the garden, stored coal in the bath and kept using the
outhouse bucket for his convenience ...and fertilising the
veg garden.

Janet UK

[clams casino]

Post by Janet
He carried on drinking water hand-pumped from the well in
the garden, stored coal in the bath and kept using the
outhouse bucket for his convenience ...and fertilising the
veg garden.
Janet UK

You are what you ate.

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[Michael Trew]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Janet
I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan. Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

Who enforces that state-wide? Especially rural and in Amish
communities? Where I live, people outside of city limits don't have any
sort of zoning or code enforcement to harass them or condemn homes
without plumbing. I'd bet that there are still poor rural Ohioans who
live without plumbing. Let us not forget the "off the grid" type folks.
New construction with county permits would be a different story.

I found a 1970's news article of the East Liverpool health department
condemning a home not far from mine, due to the long-term elderly
inhabitants living in their home without being hooked to the water main,
as they always had done, since before running water was available. The
article went on to say that kind neighbors pitched in and bought them a
septic system, since the city sewer didn't reach that far. I explored
the now decades-abandoned house before it was razed, and found that they
still had no kitchen plumbing or sink, just the small add-on bathroom.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Janet
I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan. Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

Who enforces that state-wide? Especially rural and in Amish
communities?

Heck if I know. I remember reading about it in the newspaper
a decade or two ago.

[Hank Rogers]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Janet
I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan. Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

Who enforces that state-wide? Especially rural and in Amish
communities?

Heck if I know. I remember reading about it in the newspaper
a decade or two ago.

Maybe they contracted with Officer Dave.

[Carol]

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Janet
I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.

Nowadays, that's illegal everywhere in Michigan. Even the Amish
have to install a bathroom, but they're not required to use it.

Who enforces that state-wide? Especially rural and in Amish
communities? Where I live, people outside of city limits don't have
any sort of zoning or code enforcement to harass them or condemn
homes without plumbing. I'd bet that there are still poor rural
Ohioans who live without plumbing. Let us not forget the "off the
grid" type folks. New construction with county permits would be a
different story.

From what I've noted (looking at houses in more rural places than we
actually selected) it's very hit-or-miss on enforcement. Plumbing for
example, not required in some places but if you DO have it, has to be
codespec according to the time it was installed. Say a really old
house (we looked at one). It was over 100 years old. No plumbing,
outhouse instead. Get water from the stream and haul it in. Cast iron
wood stove for cooking. I don't recall if they had electricity. It
was build in the era of gas lights but too far away to be on any city
line for it. I recall a lot of kerosine lamps.

Post by Michael Trew
I found a 1970's news article of the East Liverpool health department
condemning a home not far from mine, due to the long-term elderly
inhabitants living in their home without being hooked to the water
main, as they always had done, since before running water was
available. The article went on to say that kind neighbors pitched in
and bought them a septic system, since the city sewer didn't reach
that far. I explored the now decades-abandoned house before it was
razed, and found that they still had no kitchen plumbing or sink,
just the small add-on bathroom.

If inside city limits, it's different. Folks try that stuff but out
there in rural areas, little chance of that happening.

Look this way, your out is *way out of specs for FL* because they have
extra specs due to hurricanes. Makes sense you wouldn't have to go to
the added cost of those.

[D]

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Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.
The bucket was in a nearby shed/outhouse with no window,
no electricity and no fan; but plenty of light and fresh
air if you left the door open.Or the moon was up.
Janet UK

Some people are just born lucky! I was born in a forest, with only a pack
of wolves to keep me company! I also had gravel for breakfast! Those were
hard days! =/

[clams casino]

Post by D
I also had gravel for breakfast!

Wait now...wolves or chickens?

That gravel is aces for digestion.

;-)

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[D]

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Post by D
I also had gravel for breakfast!

Wait now...wolves or chickens?
That gravel is aces for digestion.
;-)
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Todays youth have it too easy! No gravel in their food! ;)

[clams casino]

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Post by clams casino

Post by D
I also had gravel for breakfast!

Wait now...wolves or chickens?
That gravel is aces for digestion.
;-)
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Todays youth have it too easy! No gravel in their food! ;)

Heh...and suddenly they are prone to this:

https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/features/colon-and-rectal-cancer-on-the-rise-in-young-adults-/2024/03

(SACRAMENTO)
It is National Colorectal Cancer Awareness Month, which focuses on
cancer of the colon as well as the rectum. These related, but distinct
types of cancer, can differ slightly in symptoms and treatment options.
But they have something alarming in common: Both are on the rise among
millennials.

[Jill McQuown]

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.
The bucket was in a nearby shed/outhouse with no window,
no electricity and no fan; but plenty of light and fresh
air if you left the door open.Or the moon was up.
Janet UK

I was fortunate enough to grow up with indoor plumbing and bathrooms and
indoor plumbing. And electricity.

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped.  I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

   I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.
The bucket was in a nearby shed/outhouse with no window,
no electricity and no fan; but plenty of light and fresh
air if you left the door open.Or the moon was up.
   Janet UK

I was fortunate enough to grow up with indoor plumbing and bathrooms and
indoor plumbing. And electricity.
Jill

She was probably not royalty, your Majesty.

[Janet]

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.
The bucket was in a nearby shed/outhouse with no window,
no electricity and no fan; but plenty of light and fresh
air if you left the door open.Or the moon was up.
Janet UK

I was fortunate enough to grow up with indoor plumbing and bathrooms and
indoor plumbing. And electricity. Growing

Growing up in a bathroom with a window and a fan could be
what made the rest of your life so different from mine :-)

Janet UK

[Gregory Morrow]

Post by Janet

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.
The bucket was in a nearby shed/outhouse with no window,
no electricity and no fan; but plenty of light and fresh
air if you left the door open.Or the moon was up.
Janet UK

I was fortunate enough to grow up with indoor plumbing and bathrooms and
indoor plumbing. And electricity. Growing

Growing up in a bathroom with a window and a fan could be
what made the rest of your life so different from mine :-)
Janet UK

Sure, but you piss standing up.
--
GM

[Jill McQuown]

Post by Janet

Post by Jill McQuown

Post by Janet
In article <3f2b48bc-e909-8de0-ed41-

Post by D

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went straight
into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked, because that
could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity had we regularly
used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, please, not everyone has a bathroom! You assume too much!

I grew up in a house without any running water, or a
bathroom.
The bucket was in a nearby shed/outhouse with no window,
no electricity and no fan; but plenty of light and fresh
air if you left the door open.Or the moon was up.
Janet UK

I was fortunate enough to grow up with indoor plumbing and bathrooms and
indoor plumbing. And electricity. Growing

Growing up in a bathroom with a window and a fan could be
what made the rest of your life so different from mine :-)
Janet UK

Likely so. My father did grow up with his siblings using an outhouse as
a child until his family moved from Pennsylvania into the house next
door to my mother's house in Ohio. Moved up to indoor plumbing. My
mother's parents were considered slightly "upscale". Heh.

Jill

[songbird]

Janet wrote:
...

Post by Janet
Growing up in a bathroom with a window and a fan could be
what made the rest of your life so different from mine :-)

maybe more pleasant in those aspects.

i'm a big fan of fans.


songbird

[Carol]

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went
straight into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked,
because that could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity
had we regularly used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, of course not! Only more current codespec adds the vent. My
house predates it. That probably varies by state as to when it was
added. Some states may not have a requirement for one at all.

I don't have a vent over my stove either, nor a window. I do have a
sliding patio door to the side of the stove that suffices for mr! 8-)

[Ed P]

Post by Carol

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went
straight into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked,
because that could have been a moldy mess up there from humidity
had we regularly used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, of course not! Only more current codespec adds the vent. My
house predates it. That probably varies by state as to when it was
added. Some states may not have a requirement for one at all.
I don't have a vent over my stove either, nor a window. I do have a
sliding patio door to the side of the stove that suffices for mr! 8-)

The code for ventilation goes back to 1946. Could be a window or fan.
My first house had a skylight. Next house, each had a window.

The code for fans goes back to 2003 with a minimum of 50 cfm.

As for the stove, no code for a vent. We had to pay an extra $200 when
our house was being built 6 years ago.

[Carol]

Post by Ed P

Post by Carol

Post by jmcquown

Post by Carol

Post by Michael Trew
Another house I grew up in, both bathroom ceiling vents went
straight into the attic and stopped. I'm glad that I checked,
because that could have been a moldy mess up there from
humidity had we regularly used the fans.

The few times we need it, we open the bathroom window to vent.

Not everyone has a window in the bathroom, nor a fan in it.
Jill

Jill, of course not! Only more current codespec adds the vent. My
house predates it. That probably varies by state as to when it was
added. Some states may not have a requirement for one at all.
I don't have a vent over my stove either, nor a window. I do have a
sliding patio door to the side of the stove that suffices for mr!
8-)

The code for ventilation goes back to 1946. Could be a window or
fan. My first house had a skylight. Next house, each had a window.
The code for fans goes back to 2003 with a minimum of 50 cfm.

In which state? Could be a bunch of them but building codes are a
state right. There are federal ones but they pertain to bases, federal
buildings etc. Either way, I have windows in both bathrooms so am fine.

Post by Ed P
As for the stove, no code for a vent. We had to pay an extra $200
when our house was being built 6 years ago.

Which state? Your's may not have one, others may. I don't know the
answer to that. I do know if they fire up a new code for one in your
state, it applies only to those after that date and is only retroactive
in certain cases of major renovation.

When I had an old gas hot water heater replaced, they had to do a new
footer because mine didn't comply with current code (did with old).
Also when we converted my enclosed porch to a sunroom, that section had
to get a new deeper footer due to changes. Not the whole house, just
that part got a new deeper and wider footer.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Do you have a downdraft vent on your range? My vent and range
are completely independent, although if the vent detects a sufficient
temperature rise it will turn itself on.

Yes. Not bad for 1987. Score one for my wife! I had nothing to do with
the remodel except with the checkbook. Both the dishwasher and microwave
crapped out in the last ten years. We replaced the microwave and relearned
how to dish wash for two.

[Carol]

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Post by Dave Smith
I really hate cleaning the oven but I finally got around to it
today. It may not be so bad if I would do it often enough that it
actually looked bright and shiny when I am done. I don't know what
I was thinking when I opted not to get a self cleaning oven.

I have a self-cleaning Jenn-Air oven from 1987. I've probably
self-cleaned it fifteen times. I have never manually cleaned it.
Why bother? Sterilization is what the hot oven temperatures are for.
The oven is ugly but perfectly functional.
The downside is I won't take pictures of food cooking in it. If I
hosted a food TV program, somebody else would do that.
I used to clean it because I felt guilty. I quit feeling guilty.
What the hell, and so what?
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LOL! I have a self cleaning one but doesn't do the top dagnabbit!
That's why you never see the top of the oven in my pictures but
sometimes the inside as bread is baking.

Hey, I cook alot and it's white....