OT: Restaurant Takes On Kids Behaving Badly

[Dave Bugg]

http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

--
"So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish!"
Dave
www.davebbq.com

[-L.]

Dave Bugg wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav

This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
ago or so.

-L.

[Bob Terwilliger]

-L noted:

> Dave Bugg wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>
> This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
> bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
> ago or so.

November 2005, in fact.

Bob

[Nancy Young]

"Bob Terwilliger" <***@die_spammer.biz> wrote

> -L noted:
>
>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>
>> This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
>> bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
>> ago or so.
>
> November 2005, in fact.

If it's what I think it is, they had a show on annoying stuff.
A John Stossel special, Enough!. There were a number of
topics on it. I didn't see it but I saw a promo.

nancy

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"Nancy Young" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob Terwilliger" <***@die_spammer.biz> wrote
>
>> -L noted:
>>
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>>
>>> This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
>>> bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
>>> ago or so.
>>
>> November 2005, in fact.
>
> If it's what I think it is, they had a show on annoying stuff.
> A John Stossel special, Enough!. There were a number of
> topics on it. I didn't see it but I saw a promo.
>
> nancy


With Stossel at the helm, I'm sure it was fascinating. Yawn....

[blake murphy]

On 26 Mar 2007 00:57:55 -0700, "-L." <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Dave Bugg wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>
>This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
>bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
>ago or so.
>
>-L.

john stossel is not what you'd call on top of things. i was waiting
for the right-wing rant that is usually his line of country.

your pal,
blake

[Emma Thackery]

In article <***@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
"-L." <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave Bugg wrote:
> > http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>
> This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
> bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
> ago or so.


I remember being on a date at a nice restaurant, once, where we sat next
to a table of 7 or 8 people. Several were children. I think it was
parents, grandparents and children. They were eating some kind of whole
fish which were maybe 6 to 8 inches long. LOL... I have no idea what
they were but the children had picked up the fish by the tails and were
running around the table laughing and yelling, holding the fish at arm's
length in front of them. The adults continued conversing as if nothing
was happening and as if all eyes in the restaurant were not fixed upon
them. Pretty funny...

[Dave Bugg]

Emma Thackery wrote:

> snip........ but the children had picked up the fish by the
> tails and were running around the table laughing and yelling, holding
> the fish at arm's length in front of them. The adults continued
> conversing as if nothing was happening and as if all eyes in the
> restaurant were not fixed upon them.

Ahhhhhh; you were in proximity to a gaggle of Oblivions.

--
"So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish!"
Dave
www.davebbq.com

[Little Malice]

One time on Usenet, "-L." <***@gmail.com> said:
> Dave Bugg wrote:

> > http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>
> This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
> bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
> ago or so.

I had the same thought as I was reading it. I remember the original
discussion. Not worth rehashing, IMO...

--
Jani in WA

[unknown]

On 26 Mar 2007 00:57:55 -0700, "-L." <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Dave Bugg wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>
>This is extremely old news. ABC must have realy been dragging the
>bottom of the barrel....Other media sources reported it over a year
>ago or so.
>
I thought it sounded like old news.

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[Dave Smith]

Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>


I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
unreasonable.
"Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from any
kid sharing restaurant space with me.

[jmcquown]

Dave Smith wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>
>
>
> I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
> unreasonable.
> "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
> coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from
> any kid sharing restaurant space with me.

I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.

Jill

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:***@mid.individual.net...
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>>
>>
>>
>> I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
>> unreasonable.
>> "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
>> coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from
>> any kid sharing restaurant space with me.
>
> I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
> have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
> child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
> and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
> store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.
>
> Jill


Part of the problem is stupid parents who, after living with their kid for X
number of years, still do not see the kid's happy/cranky/hungry/I need a nap
or a diaper change cycles. So, they take them out at the worst times, and
the results are obvious.

[enigma]

"jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:***@mid.individual.net:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>>
>>
>>
>> I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not
>> asking anything unreasonable.
>> "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor
>> voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more
>> than I would expect from any kid sharing restaurant space
>> with me.
>
> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
> the day.

you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
to find, at least where i live.
add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
lee

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote in message
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> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:***@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not
>>> asking anything unreasonable.
>>> "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor
>>> voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more
>>> than I would expect from any kid sharing restaurant space
>>> with me.
>>
>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>> the day.
>
> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
> brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
> mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
> also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
> alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
> when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
> first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
> kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
> parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
> to find, at least where i live.
> add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
> old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
> lee


How old are you?

[wff_ng_7]

"JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote in message
>> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>>> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>>> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>>> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>>> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>>> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>>> the day.
>>
>> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
>> brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
>> mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
>> also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
>> alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
>> when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
>> first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
>> kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
>> parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
>> to find, at least where i live.
>> add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
>> old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
>> lee
>
>
> How old are you?

I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in. Like Jill,
I don't remember it happening. I know when our family (five kids) went out
to eat when I was growing up, we were not allowed to leave the table and be
running around the restaurant. No yelling or other obnoxious behavior. I
don't recall seeing other kids running around or yelling either.

An awful lot in society has changed since then, so it's not surprising what
has happened. For one thing, people eat out a whole lot more often than they
used to, and take their kids with them. It was relatively infrequent that we
went out to eat when we were growing up, and it was a special occassion when
we did. If it's a regular thing, it's harder for parents to have the
patience and for kids to behave. It's hard to be on your best behavior as a
kid all of the time.

For reference, I'm 53 years old. I'm sure things are so totally different
for someone in their 20s or 30s raising kids than it was for my parents.

--
wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"wff_ng_7" <***@invalid.gov> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote in message
>>> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>>>> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>>>> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>>>> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>>>> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>>>> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>>>> the day.
>>>
>>> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
>>> brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
>>> mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
>>> also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
>>> alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
>>> when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
>>> first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
>>> kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
>>> parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
>>> to find, at least where i live.
>>> add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
>>> old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
>>> lee
>>
>>
>> How old are you?
>
> I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in. Like
> Jill, I don't remember it happening. I know when our family (five kids)
> went out to eat when I was growing up, we were not allowed to leave the
> table and be running around the restaurant. No yelling or other obnoxious
> behavior. I don't recall seeing other kids running around or yelling
> either.
>
> An awful lot in society has changed since then, so it's not surprising
> what has happened. For one thing, people eat out a whole lot more often
> than they used to, and take their kids with them. It was relatively
> infrequent that we went out to eat when we were growing up, and it was a
> special occassion when we did. If it's a regular thing, it's harder for
> parents to have the patience and for kids to behave. It's hard to be on
> your best behavior as a kid all of the time.
>
> For reference, I'm 53 years old. I'm sure things are so totally different
> for someone in their 20s or 30s raising kids than it was for my parents.

I'm 54. My parents took us out to all sorts of places, some of them pretty
fancy. We were told to look at how other people behaved. "When in Rome...",
in other words. I did the same with my son. The key with infants is to know
their daily routine, and don't take them out at times when they're most
likely to be discontented for whatever reason. When he was old enough to
talk, we just talked to him. It's not friggin' rocket science. Keep them
occupied. His worst routine (because it worked so well) was quietly catching
someone's eye and giving them a smile, seeing if he could make them smile,
or laugh. He was really good at working a crowd, but never noisy.

[jmcquown]

wff_ng_7 wrote:
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote in message
>>> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>>>> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>>>> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>>>> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>>>> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>>>> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>>>> the day.
>>>
>>> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
>>> brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
>>> mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
>>> also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
>>> alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
>>> when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
>>> first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
>>> kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
>>> parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
>>> to find, at least where i live.
>>> add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
>>> old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
>>> lee
>>
>>
>> How old are you?
>
> I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in. Like
> Jill, I don't remember it (snippage)

I never said I don't remember it. I sure as hell have seen it. I remember
NOT DOING IT. It was absolutely NOT BEING ALLOWED TO DO IT. Would never
have gotten away with it. No way, no how.

[blake murphy]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:59:30 -0600, "jmcquown"
<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>wff_ng_7 wrote:
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote in message
>>>> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>>>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>>>>> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>>>>> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>>>>> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>>>>> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>>>>> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>>>>> the day.
>>>>
>>>> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
>>>> brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
>>>> mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
>>>> also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
>>>> alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
>>>> when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
>>>> first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
>>>> kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
>>>> parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
>>>> to find, at least where i live.
>>>> add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
>>>> old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
>>>> lee
>>>
>>>
>>> How old are you?
>>
>> I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in. Like
>> Jill, I don't remember it (snippage)
>
>I never said I don't remember it. I sure as hell have seen it. I remember
>NOT DOING IT. It was absolutely NOT BEING ALLOWED TO DO IT. Would never
>have gotten away with it. No way, no how.
>

that must have contributed to your tolerant and flexible attitudes
today.

your pal,
blake

[dtwright37]

On Mar 27, 1:28 pm, blake murphy <***@verizon.net> wrote:

> that must have contributed to your tolerant and flexible attitudes
> today.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Heh!

David

[jmcquown]

blake murphy wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:59:30 -0600, "jmcquown"
> <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> wff_ng_7 wrote:
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> "enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote in message
>>>>> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>>>>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>>>>>> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>>>>>> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>>>>>> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>>>>>> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>>>>>> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>>>>>> the day.
>>>>>
>>>>> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
>>>>> brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
>>>>> mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
>>>>> also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
>>>>> alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
>>>>> when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
>>>>> first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
>>>>> kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
>>>>> parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
>>>>> to find, at least where i live.
>>>>> add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
>>>>> old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
>>>>> lee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How old are you?
>>>
>>> I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in.
>>> Like Jill, I don't remember it (snippage)
>>
>> I never said I don't remember it. I sure as hell have seen it. I
>> remember NOT DOING IT. It was absolutely NOT BEING ALLOWED TO DO
>> IT. Would never have gotten away with it. No way, no how.
>>
>
> that must have contributed to your tolerant and flexible attitudes
> today.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Obviously I believe in discipline. If that makes me inflexible so be it.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:***@mid.individual.net...
> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:59:30 -0600, "jmcquown"
>> <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> wff_ng_7 wrote:
>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> "enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>>>>>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>>>>>>> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>>>>>>> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>>>>>>> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>>>>>>> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>>>>>>> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>>>>>>> the day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
>>>>>> brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
>>>>>> mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.
>>>>>> also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
>>>>>> alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
>>>>>> when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
>>>>>> first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
>>>>>> kids taken away now. there aren't likely to be other SAH
>>>>>> parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
>>>>>> to find, at least where i live.
>>>>>> add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
>>>>>> old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
>>>>>> lee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How old are you?
>>>>
>>>> I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in.
>>>> Like Jill, I don't remember it (snippage)
>>>
>>> I never said I don't remember it. I sure as hell have seen it. I
>>> remember NOT DOING IT. It was absolutely NOT BEING ALLOWED TO DO
>>> IT. Would never have gotten away with it. No way, no how.
>>>
>>
>> that must have contributed to your tolerant and flexible attitudes
>> today.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Obviously I believe in discipline. If that makes me inflexible so be it.

Whips this evening?

:)

[Chatty Cathy]

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

>
> Whips this evening?
>

No whips - but some "snips" would be nice :)

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

[Michael "Dog3" Lonergan]

"JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com>
news:QqfOh.5547$***@news01.roc.ny:


>> Jill says:
>>
>> Obviously I believe in discipline. If that makes me inflexible so be
>> it.
>
> Whips this evening?
>
>:)

There needs to be some discipline around here!!!

Michael <- snapping whip back and forth... looking at everyone


--
“The age of your children is a key factor in how quickly you are served in
a restaurant. We once had a waiter in Canada who said, "Could I get you
your check?" and we answered, "How about the menu first?"”
~Erma Bombeck

[Dave Smith]

jmcquown wrote:
>
>
> Obviously I believe in discipline. If that makes me inflexible so be it.

And we are not talking strict discipline here. When we were kids were were
not allowed to get up from the table and run around the room. We were not
allowed to yell and scream. A restaurant is a public dining room, not a
playground, so it is not unreasonable to apply the same rules. I am sure
that every couple children likes to go out once and a while for a quiet
meal in a nice restaurant, so you have to wonder why they, or any other set
of parents, would take their children to the same type of restaurant.


BTW..... should I be surprised that parent of the kid running away in the
coffee shop today was to busy to keep an eye on the kid because he was
having an extended cell phone conversation that the rest of us got to hear
one side of. The kid was actually quieter than the father.

[Terry Pulliam Burd]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:59:18 -0400, Dave Smith
<***@sympatico.ca> rummaged among random neurons and opined:

>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>
>> Obviously I believe in discipline. If that makes me inflexible so be it.
>
>And we are not talking strict discipline here. When we were kids were were
>not allowed to get up from the table and run around the room. We were not
>allowed to yell and scream.

<snip>

When I was a kid, all it took was The Look from one of my parents to
instantly quell any bad behavior on my part. My mother had a favorite
saying, "If you embarrass me, I'll embarrass you just a little bit
worse." (Usually by hauling me out of whatever establishment we were
in and saying loud enough for others to hear, "We are going home and
you are not going to like it when we get there." And I didn't.)

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...very well behaved to this day :-)

--
"Most vigitaryans I iver see looked enough like their food to be
classed as cannybals."

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To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

[MareCat]

"Terry Pulliam Burd" <***@spaminator.net> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:59:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> <***@sympatico.ca> rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously I believe in discipline. If that makes me inflexible so be
>>> it.
>>
>>And we are not talking strict discipline here. When we were kids were were
>>not allowed to get up from the table and run around the room. We were not
>>allowed to yell and scream.
>
> <snip>
>
> When I was a kid, all it took was The Look from one of my parents to
> instantly quell any bad behavior on my part. My mother had a favorite
> saying, "If you embarrass me, I'll embarrass you just a little bit
> worse." (Usually by hauling me out of whatever establishment we were
> in and saying loud enough for others to hear, "We are going home and
> you are not going to like it when we get there." And I didn't.)
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...very well behaved to this day :-)

All we have to do with our four-year-old daughter is to start counting.
"One...two..." We've never made it to three (yet). She immediately
straightens up, for fear of what will happen to her if we reach three (if we
ever make it to three, we'd remove her from wherever we're at or put her in
time-out if we're at home). We also use a star chart reward system with her,
which is also effective, since she HATES to lose a star.

Gotta say, she's come a long way. Back when she was 2-3 years old, one of us
would have to remove her from restaurants (temporarily, until she could
behave) fairly frequently. Now, we can take her out pretty much without fear
of anything happening and look forward to a nice meal. My mom was in town
this past week and watched our six-month-old twins so that DH and I could
take our four-year-old out to dinner. We had such a pleasant time with her
(and it wasn't a place strictly for kids, either; in fact, she was the only
child in the restaurant).

I notice a lot of parents who dine out with their kids don't bring anything
to keep them occupied, and the kids get bored and then start to act up. Yes,
you should actually converse with your children at the dinner table, but
young kids need something else to entertain them throughout an entire meal
out, since the dining experience can take longer than a meal at home. A lot
of places supply coloring pages and crayons to kids, but it's a good idea to
bring other things from home as well. We've always brought along stuff to
help keep our oldest DD occupied at restaurants, on plane trips, etc.

Mary

[-L.]

MareCat wrote:
>
> All we have to do with our four-year-old daughter is to start counting.
> "One...two..." We've never made it to three (yet). She immediately
> straightens up, for fear of what will happen to her if we reach three (if we
> ever make it to three, we'd remove her from wherever we're at or put her in
> time-out if we're at home). We also use a star chart reward system with her,
> which is also effective, since she HATES to lose a star.

What age did you start that?

>
> Gotta say, she's come a long way. Back when she was 2-3 years old, one of us
> would have to remove her from restaurants (temporarily, until she could
> behave) fairly frequently. Now, we can take her out pretty much without fear
> of anything happening and look forward to a nice meal. My mom was in town
> this past week and watched our six-month-old twins so that DH and I could
> take our four-year-old out to dinner. We had such a pleasant time with her
> (and it wasn't a place strictly for kids, either; in fact, she was the only
> child in the restaurant).
>
> I notice a lot of parents who dine out with their kids don't bring anything
> to keep them occupied, and the kids get bored and then start to act up. Yes,
> you should actually converse with your children at the dinner table, but
> young kids need something else to entertain them throughout an entire meal
> out, since the dining experience can take longer than a meal at home. A lot
> of places supply coloring pages and crayons to kids, but it's a good idea to
> bring other things from home as well. We've always brought along stuff to
> help keep our oldest DD occupied at restaurants, on plane trips, etc.

That's so true and it goes back to the "ounce of prevention" idea. I
don't go anywhere without at least one new Hotwheel, some snacks,
juice and milk with me. I often bring yogurt or other foods I know J
will eat to the restaurant incase I can't get him to eat whatever it
is I order for him. I also bring crayons and paper. When shopping he
knows he has to sit in the cart, and 99% of the time complies - it's
just training from the start. :)

-L.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"-L." <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:***@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> MareCat wrote:
>>
>> All we have to do with our four-year-old daughter is to start counting.
>> "One...two..." We've never made it to three (yet). She immediately
>> straightens up, for fear of what will happen to her if we reach three (if
>> we
>> ever make it to three, we'd remove her from wherever we're at or put her
>> in
>> time-out if we're at home). We also use a star chart reward system with
>> her,
>> which is also effective, since she HATES to lose a star.
>
> What age did you start that?
>
>>
>> Gotta say, she's come a long way. Back when she was 2-3 years old, one of
>> us
>> would have to remove her from restaurants (temporarily, until she could
>> behave) fairly frequently. Now, we can take her out pretty much without
>> fear
>> of anything happening and look forward to a nice meal. My mom was in town
>> this past week and watched our six-month-old twins so that DH and I could
>> take our four-year-old out to dinner. We had such a pleasant time with
>> her
>> (and it wasn't a place strictly for kids, either; in fact, she was the
>> only
>> child in the restaurant).
>>
>> I notice a lot of parents who dine out with their kids don't bring
>> anything
>> to keep them occupied, and the kids get bored and then start to act up.
>> Yes,
>> you should actually converse with your children at the dinner table, but
>> young kids need something else to entertain them throughout an entire
>> meal
>> out, since the dining experience can take longer than a meal at home. A
>> lot
>> of places supply coloring pages and crayons to kids, but it's a good idea
>> to
>> bring other things from home as well. We've always brought along stuff to
>> help keep our oldest DD occupied at restaurants, on plane trips, etc.
>
> That's so true and it goes back to the "ounce of prevention" idea. I
> don't go anywhere without at least one new Hotwheel, some snacks,
> juice and milk with me. I often bring yogurt or other foods I know J
> will eat to the restaurant incase I can't get him to eat whatever it
> is I order for him. I also bring crayons and paper. When shopping he
> knows he has to sit in the cart, and 99% of the time complies - it's
> just training from the start. :)
>
> -L.

I used to take my son grocery shopping all the time. The store would give
free cookies to little kids, but he always wanted an apple instead. So, we
switched to a store that had its prep area (with sink) in the produce
department so I could wash an apple for him. As long as he had an apple,
he'd be happy for at least an hour. The store's where he learned what
happens when glass jars of t-sauce hit the floor, and learned to spot glass
in all its various packaging disguises. He also knew more fruit & vegetable
names than some of the cashiers.

You've got to get them out of the house. Otherwise, they behave like
assholes.

[MareCat]

"-L." <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:***@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> MareCat wrote:
>>
>> All we have to do with our four-year-old daughter is to start counting.
>> "One...two..." We've never made it to three (yet). She immediately
>> straightens up, for fear of what will happen to her if we reach three (if
>> we
>> ever make it to three, we'd remove her from wherever we're at or put her
>> in
>> time-out if we're at home). We also use a star chart reward system with
>> her,
>> which is also effective, since she HATES to lose a star.
>
> What age did you start that?

Right after our move to MD (when she was 3.5). We wanted to get a system in
place that would help make things easier once the twins came. We had been
using a similar system soon after she turned three, but got away from using
it once we got busy with everything we had going last year. We reward stars
for doing things like helping with the babies and helping around the house.
When she gets a whole row of stars, we treat her to a trip to the aquarium
or the zoo or something like that. We also give intermediate rewards. It's
been working very well for us.


>> Gotta say, she's come a long way. Back when she was 2-3 years old, one of
>> us
>> would have to remove her from restaurants (temporarily, until she could
>> behave) fairly frequently. Now, we can take her out pretty much without
>> fear
>> of anything happening and look forward to a nice meal. My mom was in town
>> this past week and watched our six-month-old twins so that DH and I could
>> take our four-year-old out to dinner. We had such a pleasant time with
>> her
>> (and it wasn't a place strictly for kids, either; in fact, she was the
>> only
>> child in the restaurant).
>>
>> I notice a lot of parents who dine out with their kids don't bring
>> anything
>> to keep them occupied, and the kids get bored and then start to act up.
>> Yes,
>> you should actually converse with your children at the dinner table, but
>> young kids need something else to entertain them throughout an entire
>> meal
>> out, since the dining experience can take longer than a meal at home. A
>> lot
>> of places supply coloring pages and crayons to kids, but it's a good idea
>> to
>> bring other things from home as well. We've always brought along stuff to
>> help keep our oldest DD occupied at restaurants, on plane trips, etc.
>
> That's so true and it goes back to the "ounce of prevention" idea. I
> don't go anywhere without at least one new Hotwheel, some snacks,
> juice and milk with me. I often bring yogurt or other foods I know J
> will eat to the restaurant incase I can't get him to eat whatever it
> is I order for him. I also bring crayons and paper. When shopping he
> knows he has to sit in the cart, and 99% of the time complies - it's
> just training from the start. :)

Yup. Some kids have a bigger learning curve than other kids, but most (all?)
children can be trained to behave properly in public places.

R loves to draw and color her own drawings, but coloring books bore her.
Last year we discovered these Brain Quest cards that we take with us
everywhere. She loves them and is constantly wanting us to ask her questions
(she's on the Kindergarten level right now--Miss SmartyPants! ;). Even
without any "props," though, parents can play games like "I Spy" when out
with their kids. Makes it a lot more fun for everyone involved. I think many
parents just don't make much of an effort to engage their children.

Mary

[Michael "Dog3" Lonergan]

"MareCat" <***@comcast.net>
news:***@comcast.com:


> All we have to do with our four-year-old daughter is to start
> counting. "One...two..." We've never made it to three (yet).


LOL... my youngest brother was born when I was almost 18. Needless to say
my parents had a willing babysitter in me ;) Yes, I mean it. Anyway, I'd
take him out pretty often. He especially liked having lunch in
restaurants. We never went to fine dining restaurants but went to plenty
of chain type places. Ground Round used to be a fave of his. He got to
throw peanut shells on the floor without fear of punishment.

When he would act up I would calmly count. I never got to 3 either. Of
course I would never do it but told him early on if he didn't start
behaving by the time I got to 3 we would leave the restaurant and go home.
After getting home I was going to hold him up by the ankles and flush him
down the toilet head first. Worked like a charm ;)

Michael

--
“The age of your children is a key factor in how quickly you are served in
a restaurant. We once had a waiter in Canada who said, "Could I get you
your check?" and we answered, "How about the menu first?"”
~Erma Bombeck

[Serene-O-Matic]

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

> When I was a kid, all it took was The Look from one of my parents to
> instantly quell any bad behavior on my part. My mother had a favorite
> saying, "If you embarrass me, I'll embarrass you just a little bit
> worse." (Usually by hauling me out of whatever establishment we were
> in and saying loud enough for others to hear, "We are going home and
> you are not going to like it when we get there." And I didn't.)

With the Munchkins, it really was all about consequences. I
remember once, I had both of them and a friend of theirs in the van.
We were all on our way (along with cute-poet-chick, whom I had just
started dating) to Balboa Park to go to a puppet show and the
science museum.

One of the Munchkins did something unacceptable about halfway to the
park. I turned the van around, told the offending child that we
don't go do fun things with people who do [whatever it was he did],
dropped the crying kid off with my mother, and went to the park
without him. His sister and friend got to go, but he didn't, and
I'll tell you -- he was on his best behavior for months after that.

>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...very well behaved to this day :-)
>

Heh. That makes one of us.

Serene

[Dave Smith]

wff_ng_7 wrote:
>
>
> >> How old are you?
>
> I think it has something to do with what era you were raised in. Like Jill,
> I don't remember it happening. I know when our family (five kids) went out
> to eat when I was growing up, we were not allowed to leave the table and be
> running around the restaurant. No yelling or other obnoxious behavior. I
> don't recall seeing other kids running around or yelling either.
>
> An awful lot in society has changed since then, so it's not surprising what
> has happened. For one thing, people eat out a whole lot more often than they
> used to, and take their kids with them. It was relatively infrequent that we
> went out to eat when we were growing up, and it was a special occassion when
> we did. If it's a regular thing, it's harder for parents to have the
> patience and for kids to behave. It's hard to be on your best behavior as a
> kid all of the time.
>
> For reference, I'm 53 years old. I'm sure things are so totally different
> for someone in their 20s or 30s raising kids than it was for my parents.
>

I am 56. We weren't allowed to act up in public. If we did, we got
smacked.... in public.... and didn't get sympathy from other adults. So we
didn't act up because we knew we would get smacked up. When we got the
warning to stop something or we were going to get a spanking, we stopped
because we knew we would get the spanking and not another warning that we
would get a spanking.

[wff_ng_7]

"Dave Smith" <***@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I am 56. We weren't allowed to act up in public. If we did, we got
> smacked.... in public.... and didn't get sympathy from other adults. So
> we
> didn't act up because we knew we would get smacked up. When we got the
> warning to stop something or we were going to get a spanking, we stopped
> because we knew we would get the spanking and not another warning that we
> would get a spanking.

I know know what you mean by the warning thing. Some parents give nothing
but warnings without ever acting on them. Eventually the kids know the
warnings have no meaning.

I was riding a long distance train once where a mother got on with her two
kids and sat behind me. The kids were totally out of control, and the mother
kept making all kinds of idle threats about what she was going to do about
it. The kids paid absolutely no attention to her, because they knew there
would be no consequences. After an hour of the entire train car putting up
with their crap, it was their stop. I was seriously tempted to shout out:
Thank God that bitch and her two spoiled brats are getting off. But before I
could, the mother turned around and apologized to the entire train car about
her kids' behavior. I, and everyone else were astounded. I felt some
sympathy for her at that point, realizing how things must be at home. I only
had to put up with one hour of it, she has to put up with it forever.

--
wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

[jmcquown]

wff_ng_7 wrote:
> "Dave Smith" <***@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> I am 56. We weren't allowed to act up in public. If we did, we got
>> smacked.... in public.... and didn't get sympathy from other adults.
>> So we
>> didn't act up because we knew we would get smacked up. When we got
>> the warning to stop something or we were going to get a spanking,
>> we stopped because we knew we would get the spanking and not another
>> warning that we would get a spanking.
>
> I know know what you mean by the warning thing. Some parents give
> nothing but warnings without ever acting on them. Eventually the kids
> know the warnings have no meaning.
>
Exactly. A friend was forever saying to her son "Quit! Or I'll spank you!"
But she never did spank him. All she ever did was tell him to quit or she'd
spank him. He never did stop. A more annoying child I never met. And she
enabled him by not following through.

> I was riding a long distance train once where a mother got on with
> her two kids and sat behind me. The kids were totally out of control,
> and the mother kept making all kinds of idle threats about what she
> was going to do about it. The kids paid absolutely no attention to
> her, because they knew there would be no consequences. After an hour
> of the entire train car putting up with their crap, it was their
> stop. I was seriously tempted to shout out: Thank God that bitch and
> her two spoiled brats are getting off. But before I could, the mother
> turned around and apologized to the entire train car about her kids'
> behavior. I, and everyone else were astounded. I felt some sympathy
> for her at that point, realizing how things must be at home. I only
> had to put up with one hour of it, she has to put up with it forever.

No, she doesn't. Not if she does something about it. I wouldn't feel a bit
sorry for her. It's her choice not to deal with it.

[enigma]

"JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:TjUNh.5487$***@news01.roc.ny:

> How old are you?

52. my son is 6. he behaves :)
lee

[Little Malice]

One time on Usenet, enigma <***@evil.net> said:
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:TjUNh.5487$***@news01.roc.ny:
>
> > How old are you?
>
> 52. my son is 6. he behaves :)
> lee

My son is 9, he behaves too... :-)

--
Jani in WA

[Miche]

In article <eu9qtp$***@news.avvanta.com>,
***@gmail.communge (Little Malice) wrote:

> One time on Usenet, enigma <***@evil.net> said:
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > news:TjUNh.5487$***@news01.roc.ny:
> >
> > > How old are you?
> >
> > 52. my son is 6. he behaves :)
> > lee
>
> My son is 9, he behaves too... :-)

My daughter is 8. Also with the behaving. :)

Miche

--
In the monastery office --
Before enlightenment: fetch mail, shuffle paper
After enlightenment: fetch mail, shuffle paper

[enigma]

Miche <***@myrealbox.com> wrote in news:miche-
***@news.itconsult.net:

> In article <eu9qtp$***@news.avvanta.com>,
> ***@gmail.communge (Little Malice) wrote:
i wrote:
>> > 52. my son is 6. he behaves :)
>>
>> My son is 9, he behaves too... :-)
>
> My daughter is 8. Also with the behaving. :)

most kids *do* behave. however, no one sees them because,
well, they're behaving. kids throwing hissyfits are pretty
obvious, so they get noticed.
it still doesn't extrapolate that most kids misbehave all the
time just because one sees a kid or two misbehaving everytime
one goes out somewhere.
not that i think oblivious parents should be let off the
hook, but i can forgive a kid acting up in a store much more
than i can a kid allowed to act out in a restaurant. in both
cases i think the kid should be removed, but i can understand
that sometimes in a grocery store the parent just can't walk
out with the kid.
lee
BTW, if you're the sort that normally fumes about bratty
children, try looking for children that are behaving & thank
them (or their parents) for doing so. it makes the kid feel
great

[Felice Friese]

"enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote in message >

> most kids *do* behave. however, no one sees them because,
> well, they're behaving. kids throwing hissyfits are pretty
> obvious, so they get noticed.

Thanks for making that point! I find that it's a minority of children who
are the most obnoxious and therefore are the most noticeable.

> it still doesn't extrapolate that most kids misbehave all the
> time just because one sees a kid or two misbehaving everytime
> one goes out somewhere.
> not that i think oblivious parents should be let off the
> hook, but i can forgive a kid acting up in a store much more
> than i can a kid allowed to act out in a restaurant. in both
> cases i think the kid should be removed, but i can understand
> that sometimes in a grocery store the parent just can't walk
> out with the kid.
> lee
> BTW, if you're the sort that normally fumes about bratty
> children, try looking for children that are behaving & thank
> them (or their parents) for doing so. it makes the kid feel
> great

And thanks for that suggestion. Ever since some fellow diners complimented
my young grands, I've tried to do that whenever practical.

Felice

[dtwright37]

On Mar 27, 12:07 pm, "Felice Friese" <***@comcast.net> wrote:
> "enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote in message >

> > BTW, if you're the sort that normally fumes about bratty
> > children, try looking for children that are behaving & thank
> > them (or their parents) for doing so. it makes the kid feel
> > great
>
> And thanks for that suggestion. Ever since some fellow diners complimented
> my young grands, I've tried to do that whenever practical.
>
> Felice

I've been behind fussy kids in their grocery-cart seats in check-out
lines many times. I wink and click at the little one and then make a
finger puppet and start talking to it.

Then the finger puppet starts talking to the miscreant and, most
times, the wee one gets so involved with wondering who this crazy old
man is, he/she forgets what the fuss was all about. I usually get a
thank you from the bedraggled parent, and I say, "I remember."

David

[-L.]

dtwright37 wrote:

> I've been behind fussy kids in their grocery-cart seats in check-out
> lines many times. I wink and click at the little one and then make a
> finger puppet and start talking to it.
>
> Then the finger puppet starts talking to the miscreant and, most
> times, the wee one gets so involved with wondering who this crazy old
> man is, he/she forgets what the fuss was all about. I usually get a
> thank you from the bedraggled parent, and I say, "I remember."
>
> David

Honestly, as a parent of a just-turned-3, it's mortifying when it
happens. I get the heck out of the store asap, even if it means
leaving a cart of groceries. What bothers me are the parents who let
their kid scream from aisle 24 down though aisle 3, and don't make any
attempt to leave or quiet the kid. It's the parents' fault - not the
kids', as at certain ages kids have no control of their emotions and
don't understand how to communicate any other way. It's a learning
process - and we, as parents have the responsibility to not inflcit
that learning experience on unsuspecting bystanders.

That being said, prevention is worth a pound of cure. I know not to
take J anywhere when he is hungry or tired - and certainly not to let
him have any sugar before we go anywhere but outdoors. You have to be
in tune with your kid and read their signals - and it is all about the
kid - not the "urgent" shopping need. So many parents don't
understand that.

-L.

[CDC]

Bless you for being able to recognize when it's not the best time to take
the little one out for errands! I'm 35 and there are many times *I* would
be cranky if dragged out of the house for any reason.

I will never forget standing in line at McD's (ok, yes, it's horrid but I
needed a snack!) behind a woman and her young son. You could tell he was
just plain hungry and going towards tired. Mom? She was interrogating the
clerk over the Happy Meal toy. I'm quite sure the kiddo didn't care WHAT
the toy was, he needed some juice & food. Actually, he was better behaved
than she was now that I think about it...

- Cindy

--
CDC

If you're going through hell, keep going
- Winston Churchill
"-L." <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:***@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> That being said, prevention is worth a pound of cure. I know not to
> take J anywhere when he is hungry or tired - and certainly not to let
> him have any sugar before we go anywhere but outdoors. You have to be
> in tune with your kid and read their signals - and it is all about the
> kid - not the "urgent" shopping need. So many parents don't
> understand that.
>
> -L.
>

[MareCat]

"-L." <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:***@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> That being said, prevention is worth a pound of cure. I know not to
> take J anywhere when he is hungry or tired - and certainly not to let
> him have any sugar before we go anywhere but outdoors. You have to be
> in tune with your kid and read their signals - and it is all about the
> kid - not the "urgent" shopping need. So many parents don't
> understand that.

You are so right, Lyn! Since the twins were born, I decided that grocery
shopping trips are best made sans kids (I don't even take R with me). I shop
now in the late afternoon and/or on the weekends, when DH is able to watch
the kids. Much easier (and it's actually a break for me!).

Mary

[Dave Smith]

enigma wrote:
>
>
> > My daughter is 8. Also with the behaving. :)
>
> most kids *do* behave. however, no one sees them because,
> well, they're behaving. kids throwing hissyfits are pretty
> obvious, so they get noticed.


Sorry, but no, they don't. Some kids do.
Okay.... some older kids do, but the OP was about little children and the
straw that broke the restaurant owner's camel's back was a kid climbing up
the wall. It is all to common for children to whine and complain or to get
up and run around the restaurant. Then there are the toddlers who like to
shriek, or scream if displeased.

The parents should not be allowing it, and if they can't keep their kids
quiet they should not be taking them to restaurants.


> BTW, if you're the sort that normally fumes about bratty
> children, try looking for children that are behaving & thank
> them (or their parents) for doing so. it makes the kid feel
> great

That is a jester, but it is not up to strangers to reward acceptable
behaviour as if it is some sort of challenge.

[Terry Pulliam Burd]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:21:29 +1200, Miche <***@myrealbox.com>
rummaged among random neurons and opined:

>My daughter is 8. Also with the behaving. :)

Aaauuugghhhh!!! Miche! She's *8* already?

Y'know, my age never bothers me. It's the ages of my kids and my
friends' kids that makes me feel ancient <sob!>

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

[LadyJane]

On Mar 28, 1:28 pm, Terry Pulliam Burd <***@spaminator.net>
wrote:

> Y'know, my age never bothers me. It's the ages of my kids and my
> friends' kids that makes me feel ancient <sob!>
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

My two turned 22 this month (3 days after I hit the big 5 OH)... tell
me all about feeling ancient!

Nice thing is they are great kids (for the most part) and we had a
lovely celebratory dinner at a wonderful restaurant - with 30 or so
nearest and dearest friends and family - and at 22 they did not 'play
up' or act like morons/wild animals. hehehehe
Nor did they in their formative years - under penalty of death....
"Yes, I brought you into this world, and it's my god-given right to
take you out of it if you don't behave!"
Thankfully I never had to. They were never sure whethe I was joking or
not....and I wasn't or was I? They will never, ever know.

Must have done something right in all these years of child rearing!

LadyJane
--
"Never trust a skinny cook!"
Who IS that person in the mirror each morning?

[enigma]

Terry Pulliam Burd <***@spaminator.net> wrote in
news:***@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:21:29 +1200, Miche
> <***@myrealbox.com> rummaged among random neurons and
> opined:
>
>>My daughter is 8. Also with the behaving. :)
>
> Aaauuugghhhh!!! Miche! She's *8* already?
>
> Y'know, my age never bothers me. It's the ages of my kids
> and my friends' kids that makes me feel ancient <sob!>

yeah? wanna be 52 with a 6 year old? ;) my friends have
*grandkids* older than my child. it's really pretty funny.
lee

[Dan Abel]

In article <eu9qtp$***@news.avvanta.com>,
***@gmail.communge (Little Malice) wrote:

> One time on Usenet, enigma <***@evil.net> said:
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > news:TjUNh.5487$***@news01.roc.ny:
> >
> > > How old are you?
> >
> > 52. my son is 6. he behaves :)
> > lee
>
> My son is 9, he behaves too... :-)

My oldest son is 28. He is behaving better.

[Kathleen]

enigma wrote:

> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:***@mid.individual.net:
>
>
>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not
>>>asking anything unreasonable.
>>>"Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor
>>>voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more
>>>than I would expect from any kid sharing restaurant space
>>>with me.
>>
>>I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>>Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>>voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>>been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>>yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>>a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>>the day.
>
>
> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do. not that my
> brothers or i did it, but i do remember the kids that did & my
> mom pointing them out as examples of bad behavior.

Ditto. I was born in '62 and I remember witnessing plenty of tantrums
at the grocery store.

> also, when we were younger, parents either left kids home
> alone (from around 8 years old) or with a neighbor or sitter
> when they went shopping. that is not likely to happen now.
> first, leaving any kid under 14 or 15 home alone can get your
> kids taken away now.

Last I read it was 11, at least for short periods - the length of a trip
to the grocery store (leaving an 11 year-old at home alone while you
honeymoon in Vegas will likely result in charges).

My husband and I just didn't go out much when our kids were still in the
little barbarian stage, and mostly did tag-team parenting to cover errands.

there aren't likely to be other SAH
> parents to keep an eye on your kids & sitters are damned hard
> to find, at least where i live.

Although I operate a specialty sewing business out of my home I was the
only quasi SAH mom for blocks around. I felt like getting a t-shirt
made up saying:

No, I don't want to
- Watch your kids
- Hem your pants
- Clean your house (WTF?!)

> add to that that there is no way of telling if that 2 year
> old throwing a fit is "spoiled" or autistic & overwhelmed.
> lee

Or even not autistic but still overwhelmed. Every time I see some poor
kid keel over screeching while waiting in line to check out at Walmart
or the grocery store I get empathy pangs... Those situations make me
feel like screaming, too.

[jmcquown]

enigma wrote:
> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:***@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not
>>> asking anything unreasonable.
>>> "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor
>>> voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more
>>> than I would expect from any kid sharing restaurant space
>>> with me.
>>
>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>> the day.
>
> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do.

Dave owns a restaurant so I suspect he remembers it. On more than one
occasion.

[Dave Bugg]

jmcquown wrote:
> enigma wrote:
>> "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> news:***@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not
>>>> asking anything unreasonable.
>>>> "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor
>>>> voices when coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more
>>>> than I would expect from any kid sharing restaurant space
>>>> with me.
>>>
>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.
>>> Honestly, I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor
>>> voice" in a restaurant when I was a child. I wouldn't have
>>> been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming and
>>> yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at
>>> a grocery store. Those things simply didn't happen back in
>>> the day.
>>
>> you just don't *remember* it happening. i do.
>
> Dave owns a restaurant so I suspect he remembers it. On more than one
> occasion.

There have been two times where I've had to ask parents to leave. Both times
involved young children of 5-8 years of age running around, climbing on top
of tables or cabinets, and hollering and screaming to the obvious discomfort
and distraction of other patrons. All while the oblivion parents just
allowed it to continue.

Both times I spoke directly to the parents politely asking that they keep
their kids seated and have them use inside voices. Both times the parents
erupted into loud and profane aggresive verbal attacks, threatening me with
bad publicity, bad word of mouth, potential lititgation, etc.. Both times I
calmly herded these groups out the door.

Both times the remaining patrons erupted with applause, laughter and profuse
words of thanks.

--
"So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish!"
Dave
www.davebbq.com

[LadyJane]

As just about everyone else has said, parenting was different for
those of us who are now over 40.

Personally I blame places like McDonald's which encourage a playground
atmosphere for dining where kids are concerned. It's little wonder
that when todays kids encounter a real restaurant they have no idea
how to behave. But then, when you look at how the parents behave, is
it any wonder the kids have no idea?
When my kids were young, when we ate out at good restaurants we taught
our kids how they were expected to behave. Not that much different to
dining at home truth be told - but there's the difference. Our meal
times were spent at (shock, horror) the DINING table, not grazing from
trays, plates scattered around the house. If they 'dine' properly at
home, restaurants should prove no great obstacle.

A great many kids these days have no routine at dinner time - not a
sit down dinner at the dining table showing kids how to eat properly,
more likely put on trays and gobbled down while watching some god
awful show on tv, from what I gather.
It all comes down to the parents though - if they can't be bothered
showing/teaching their kids how to behave at home, let alone outside
of it, what chance do the kids really have?
Lazy parenting, masked by terms of 'free expression' (hankering back
to that old Dr. Spock philosophy...which - imho - spoilt way too many
kids) parents who allow their kids to run rampant are simply too
selfish and self absorbed to bother putting in the time and effort to
bring up socially adept children.
Certainly not the kids fault if they behave like wild animals - onus
fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the parents and they deserve
the condemnation for that.

LadyJane
--
"Never trust a skinny cook!"

[jmcquown]

> Certainly not the kids fault if they behave like wild animals - onus
> fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the parents and they deserve
> the condemnation for that.
>
> LadyJane

I loaned a $30 hardback book to a friend once and got it back scribbled in.
She knew it but didn't even bother to apologize... just gave it back and
said oh well. I blamed her, not the child.

Jill

[Omelet]

In article <***@mid.individual.net>,
"jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> > Certainly not the kids fault if they behave like wild animals - onus
> > fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the parents and they deserve
> > the condemnation for that.
> >
> > LadyJane
>
> I loaned a $30 hardback book to a friend once and got it back scribbled in.
> She knew it but didn't even bother to apologize... just gave it back and
> said oh well. I blamed her, not the child.
>
> Jill

Ick.

I loaned a book to a friend one time and their dog chewed on the back
cover.

They replaced it without me having to ask...

Hopefully she will understand if you never loan her another book, or
movie, or anything else!
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

[Michael "Dog3" Lonergan]

"Dave Bugg" <***@yahoo.com> news:08YNh.87$***@newsfe06.lga:

>
> Both times the remaining patrons erupted with applause, laughter and
> profuse words of thanks.

LOL... I've seen it happen in restaurants where I frequent. On the flip
side I 've been to places that are very child friendly. When I go to these
places I expect a lot of interaction with raucous behavior. It goes with
the territory. I tend to vigorously avoid these establishments unless I
have no other choice in the matter.

Michael

--
<yawn> The time change just wears me out.

http://i5.tinypic.com/2i132mb.jpg

~remove "foodie" to email...

[Dave Smith]

Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote:
>
>
> LOL... I've seen it happen in restaurants where I frequent. On the flip
> side I 've been to places that are very child friendly. When I go to these
> places I expect a lot of interaction with raucous behavior. It goes with
> the territory. I tend to vigorously avoid these establishments unless I
> have no other choice in the matter.


Indeed, there are places where you expect rowdy kids. If you go to
MacDonalds, you can expect to see a lot of kids and expect them to be
running around and noisy. That doesn't make it right, but that is the way
it is. If you go to a nice place you have every right to expect peace and
quiet.

It isn't always the kids. I mentioned a few weeks ago about a new bakery/
cafe in town that has a little play area that took up space I thought
should have been used to augment their limited seating, and IMO presented
the likelihood of rowdy kids. I have not yet been subjected to that, but
one day last week I was subjected to a women at the table behind me taking
much too long to answer the annoying cell phone ring, and then talking far
to long on it at unacceptable level of volume. At one point, she turned
away from her friend so that he conversation was directed toward me. Much
to her credit, my wife immediately started reading something to me out of
the paper in a voice loud enough to drown out the wench on the cell phone,
causing her to turn back the other way, though not enough to get her to
hang up. The next time it happens.... "Hey ! Take it outside"

[Nancy Young]

"Dave Smith" <***@sympatico.ca> wrote

> I have not yet been subjected to that, but
> one day last week I was subjected to a women at the table behind me taking
> much too long to answer the annoying cell phone ring, and then talking far
> to long on it at unacceptable level of volume. At one point, she turned
> away from her friend so that he conversation was directed toward me.

Don't you love that? You know it's annoying so you decide to annoy
someone else, instead. Once, in my case, it was some woman smoking
a cigarette at a bar. Rather than hold the thing in front of her and
perhaps
get smoke in her friend's face, she held it behind her, over her shoulder.
Almost put my eye out! Hey, I'm sittin here!

> Much
> to her credit, my wife immediately started reading something to me out of
> the paper in a voice loud enough to drown out the wench on the cell phone,
> causing her to turn back the other way, though not enough to get her to
> hang up. The next time it happens.... "Hey ! Take it outside"

That cracked me up, I have had the urge to sing LALALALALALALALA
really loud next to an annoying loud cell phone person.

nancy

[Dave Smith]

Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
> Don't you love that? You know it's annoying so you decide to annoy
> someone else, instead. Once, in my case, it was some woman smoking
> a cigarette at a bar. Rather than hold the thing in front of her and
> perhaps
> get smoke in her friend's face, she held it behind her, over her shoulder.
> Almost put my eye out! Hey, I'm sittin here!


The last time someone pulled that one on me I asked her if it bothered her
so much why the hell would she stick it in my face.

>
> > Much
> > to her credit, my wife immediately started reading something to me out of
> > the paper in a voice loud enough to drown out the wench on the cell phone,
> > causing her to turn back the other way, though not enough to get her to
> > hang up. The next time it happens.... "Hey ! Take it outside"
>
> That cracked me up, I have had the urge to sing LALALALALALALALA
> really loud next to an annoying loud cell phone person.


We should start a movement....an international movement. Rather than
confront people about their rudeness, just start singing... maybe we could
do the old Coke ad song " I'd like to teach the world to sing..... " :-)

[Michael "Dog3" Lonergan]

Dave Smith <***@sympatico.ca>
news:***@sympatico.ca:


> We should start a movement....an international movement. Rather than
> confront people about their rudeness, just start singing... maybe we
> could do the old Coke ad song " I'd like to teach the world to
> sing..... " :-)

ROFL... An international conspiracy. I love it. How about this one? AND
it's food related http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/bpvid (will take
awhile to load if you're on dial up).

Michael

--
“The age of your children is a key factor in how quickly you are served in
a restaurant. We once had a waiter in Canada who said, "Could I get you
your check?" and we answered, "How about the menu first?"”
~Erma Bombeck

[Dave Bugg]

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" <***@yahoo.com> news:08YNh.87$***@newsfe06.lga:
>
>>
>> Both times the remaining patrons erupted with applause, laughter and
>> profuse words of thanks.
>
> LOL... I've seen it happen in restaurants where I frequent. On the
> flip side I 've been to places that are very child friendly. When I
> go to these places I expect a lot of interaction with raucous
> behavior. It goes with the territory. I tend to vigorously avoid
> these establishments unless I have no other choice in the matter.

I tend to think of ourselves as child friendly, just not 'allow the child to
abuse others' friendly :-)

We give our Ooey-Gooey brownies and beverages free to the younger kids, our
floors are concrete so they're easy to clean when a spill occurs, and we
even have an outside picnic table eating area.

I also have a reading program for kids called Crazy Pig's Reading Club.
Every quarter we have a suggested reading book, grouped according to age,
for a child to check out of the library or for the parent's to go and
purchase. I give the participants a list of questions specific to the book
as a report to be filled out and returned. When the child completes the
reading assignment and returns the book report, s/he gets a free meal from
the menu. For children 12 and under, the parents receive a 30% discount on
their meal as well, for encouraging the child to read.

Last summer I assigned the book "To Kill a Mockingbird" for ages 12 - 18.
Within two weeks, I started getting calls from the two local bookstores
informing me that the book was selling like hotcakes, and that they were
having to order-in large numbers of copies. All together, I gave away 272
meals by September 1st.

--
"So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish!"
Dave
www.davebbq.com

[Michael "Dog3" Lonergan]

"Dave Bugg" <***@yahoo.com> news:cqcOh.31$***@newsfe04.lga:

>
> I tend to think of ourselves as child friendly, just not 'allow the
> child to abuse others' friendly :-)
>
> We give our Ooey-Gooey brownies and beverages free to the younger
> kids, our floors are concrete so they're easy to clean when a spill
> occurs, and we even have an outside picnic table eating area.
>
> I also have a reading program for kids called Crazy Pig's Reading
> Club. Every quarter we have a suggested reading book, grouped
> according to age, for a child to check out of the library or for the
> parent's to go and purchase. I give the participants a list of
> questions specific to the book as a report to be filled out and
> returned. When the child completes the reading assignment and returns
> the book report, s/he gets a free meal from the menu. For children 12
> and under, the parents receive a 30% discount on their meal as well,
> for encouraging the child to read.
>
> Last summer I assigned the book "To Kill a Mockingbird" for ages 12 -
> 18. Within two weeks, I started getting calls from the two local
> bookstores informing me that the book was selling like hotcakes, and
> that they were having to order-in large numbers of copies. All
> together, I gave away 272 meals by September 1st.

That's pretty cool Dave. Hmmm... I wonder if a dining etiquette for
children book is available? I'm thinking that might get a good response
from the parents that actually care.

Michael
--
“The age of your children is a key factor in how quickly you are served in
a restaurant. We once had a waiter in Canada who said, "Could I get you
your check?" and we answered, "How about the menu first?"”
~Erma Bombeck

[Dave Bugg]

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:

> That's pretty cool Dave. Hmmm... I wonder if a dining etiquette for
> children book is available? I'm thinking that might get a good
> response from the parents that actually care.

Hmmmmm. :-)

--
"So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish!"
Dave
www.davebbq.com

[Michael "Dog3" Lonergan]

"Dave Bugg" <***@yahoo.com> news:9TyOh.207$***@newsfe12.lga:

> Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
>
>> That's pretty cool Dave. Hmmm... I wonder if a dining etiquette for
>> children book is available? I'm thinking that might get a good
>> response from the parents that actually care.
>
> Hmmmmm. :-)

I've thought about writing one but never seem to have the time to even
think about it. Besides, something like that would best be written by
people owning and/or working in the business. Of course patron input is
mandatory as well.

Michael

--
“The age of your children is a key factor in how quickly you are served in
a restaurant. We once had a waiter in Canada who said, "Could I get you
your check?" and we answered, "How about the menu first?"”
~Erma Bombeck

[Little Malice]

One time on Usenet, "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> said:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > Dave Bugg wrote:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
> >>
> >
> >
> > I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
> > unreasonable.
> > "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
> > coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from
> > any kid sharing restaurant space with me.
>
> I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
> have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
> child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
> and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
> store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.

Kids did that kind of thing when I was a young'un (1960s & 70s).
Mom used the sight of them in the grocery store as an opportunity
to lecure me on what not to do. It worked...

--
Jani in WA

[Dan Abel]

In article <eu9qoi$***@news.avvanta.com>,
***@gmail.communge (Little Malice) wrote:

> One time on Usenet, "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> said:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> > > Dave Bugg wrote:
> > >>
> > >> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
> > > unreasonable.
> > > "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
> > > coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from
> > > any kid sharing restaurant space with me.
> >
> > I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
> > have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
> > child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
> > and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
> > store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.
>
> Kids did that kind of thing when I was a young'un (1960s & 70s).
> Mom used the sight of them in the grocery store as an opportunity
> to lecure me on what not to do. It worked...

Yeah, it isn't the kids. It's the parents. They ignore the children.
The children would rather have negative attention than none. So they
act up. I've had a bunch of kids. My rule was that I took one. I gave
the kid a lot of attention. What do you think of this? What do you
think of that? I listened. Sometimes they got what they wanted.
Sometimes they didn't. But I listened.

[Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:21:12 -0600, "jmcquown"
<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:


>I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
>have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
>child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
>and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
>store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.
>
Jill - The following video made the rounds a while ago, but is on
point:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1442/use_condoms/

Just getting The Look from my mother would have stopped me in my
tracks.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

"What kind of jackassery do I have to put up with today?"

Danae in "Non Sequitir"

[LadyJane]

On Mar 27, 2:42 pm, "Terry \"Squeaks\" Pulliam Burd" <***@cox.net>
wrote:

nice clip Terry - and yes, very appropriate!!!

stumbled on this little gem while viewing yours.... seems Sweet
Sixteen is a gross misnomer!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/474524/a_birthday_present/

Advertising certainly hits the nail on the head of modern trends in
society.... seems a sad testament to our society that ad honchos use
these situations to sell things - albeit condoms or cars.

glad my kids are better behaved that's for sure!

LadyJane
--
"Never trust a skinny cook!"

[Dan Abel]

In article <***@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"LadyJane" <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> On Mar 27, 2:42 pm, "Terry \"Squeaks\" Pulliam Burd" <***@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> nice clip Terry - and yes, very appropriate!!!
>
> stumbled on this little gem while viewing yours.... seems Sweet
> Sixteen is a gross misnomer!

Sweet sixteen isn't a concept for parents. It's time to separate. You
can accept it or be miserable. You're choice. Sweet sixteen is for
other kids who are sixteen, not the parents. After they get older, then
they discover that parents aren't so bad.

[jmcquown]

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:21:12 -0600, "jmcquown"
> <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I
>> would not have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant
>> when I was a child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if
>> I started screaming and yelling and crying for something at the
>> check-out stand at a grocery store. Those things simply didn't
>> happen back in the day.
>>
> Jill - The following video made the rounds a while ago, but is on
> point:
>
> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1442/use_condoms/
>
> Just getting The Look from my mother would have stopped me in my
> tracks.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>
> "What kind of jackassery do I have to put up with today?"
>
> Danae in "Non Sequitir"

ROFL! That's quite on point, thank you! And I wouldn't be alive today if
I'd behaved like that in public.

Jill

[dtwright37]

On Mar 27, 6:25 pm, "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> ROFL! That's quite on point, thank you! And I wouldn't be alive today if
> I'd behaved like that in public.
>
> Jill

If you had been paid as an actor, as that kid was in that bit, I'm
sure you would have been encouraged to get more such parts.

David

[blake murphy]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:25:51 -0600, "jmcquown"
<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:21:12 -0600, "jmcquown"
>> <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I
>>> would not have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant
>>> when I was a child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if
>>> I started screaming and yelling and crying for something at the
>>> check-out stand at a grocery store. Those things simply didn't
>>> happen back in the day.
>>>
>> Jill - The following video made the rounds a while ago, but is on
>> point:
>>
>> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1442/use_condoms/
>>
>> Just getting The Look from my mother would have stopped me in my
>> tracks.
>>
>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>>
>> "What kind of jackassery do I have to put up with today?"
>>
>> Danae in "Non Sequitir"
>
>ROFL! That's quite on point, thank you! And I wouldn't be alive today if
>I'd behaved like that in public.
>
>Jill
>
i think you should have tried it out. repeatedly.

your pal,
blake

[jmcquown]

blake murphy wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:25:51 -0600, "jmcquown"
> <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:21:12 -0600, "jmcquown"
>>> <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I
>>>> would not have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant
>>>> when I was a child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if
>>>> I started screaming and yelling and crying for something at the
>>>> check-out stand at a grocery store. Those things simply didn't
>>>> happen back in the day.
>>>>
>>> Jill - The following video made the rounds a while ago, but is on
>>> point:
>>>
>>> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1442/use_condoms/
>>>
>>> Just getting The Look from my mother would have stopped me in my
>>> tracks.
>>>
>>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>>>
>>> "What kind of jackassery do I have to put up with today?"
>>>
>>> Danae in "Non Sequitir"
>>
>> ROFL! That's quite on point, thank you! And I wouldn't be alive
>> today if I'd behaved like that in public.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> i think you should have tried it out. repeatedly.
>
> your pal,
> blake

OH FUCK YOU, Blake! Why didn't you stay disappeared?

[blake murphy]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:19:01 -0600, "jmcquown"
<***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:25:51 -0600, "jmcquown"
>> <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:21:12 -0600, "jmcquown"
>>>> <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I
>>>>> would not have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant
>>>>> when I was a child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if
>>>>> I started screaming and yelling and crying for something at the
>>>>> check-out stand at a grocery store. Those things simply didn't
>>>>> happen back in the day.
>>>>>
>>>> Jill - The following video made the rounds a while ago, but is on
>>>> point:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1442/use_condoms/
>>>>
>>>> Just getting The Look from my mother would have stopped me in my
>>>> tracks.
>>>>
>>>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>>>>
>>>> "What kind of jackassery do I have to put up with today?"
>>>>
>>>> Danae in "Non Sequitir"
>>>
>>> ROFL! That's quite on point, thank you! And I wouldn't be alive
>>> today if I'd behaved like that in public.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>> i think you should have tried it out. repeatedly.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>OH FUCK YOU, Blake! Why didn't you stay disappeared?
>
just call me the sunshine-spreader.

your pal,
blake

[Charlene Charette]

jmcquown wrote:

> I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
> have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
> child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
> and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
> store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.

"Children nowadays are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble
their food and tyrannise their teachers." --Socrates


--Charlene

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[dtwright37]

On Mar 26, 1:21 pm, "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I would not have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
> child.

An interesting difference in parenting. As a biologist, I taught my
kids to be very quiet when we were watching birds or daytime-active
mammals. When they would get loud inside, I would say, "Use your
outside voice." To each his or her own. :-)

David

[-L.]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
> have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
> child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
> and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
> store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.
>
> Jill

Yes, and you are THE stellar example of excellent parenting. 50-some
years old, living off Daddy and sucking on the welfare teat. You
parents musrt be so proud...
-L.

[PVC]

On Mar 26, 1:21 pm, "jmcquown" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>
> > I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
> > unreasonable.
> > "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
> > coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from
> > any kid sharing restaurant space with me.
>
> I don't know what's wrong with children these days. Honestly, I would not
> have survived NOT using my "indoor voice" in a restaurant when I was a
> child. I wouldn't have been allowed to go shopping if I started screaming
> and yelling and crying for something at the check-out stand at a grocery
> store. Those things simply didn't happen back in the day.
>

Sorry your old wrinkled wrivled up womb couldn't sustain life. Thus
you have to gripe and complain 24/7. Yours must be a miserable
existence. Hehhhhhh, you old coot.

p.s. kudos on "back in the day"....you sound like alex trebek trying
to hook up with homies. haw haw haw!

[E***@spamblock.panix.com]

In rec.food.cooking, jmcquown <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I don't know what's wrong with children these days.

Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way?


--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

[Gregory Morrow]

Dave Smith wrote:


> Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>
> I hope the restaurant survives the boycott. He was not asking anything
> unreasonable.
> "Children of all ages have to behave and use their indoor voices when
> coming to A Taste of Heaven" is nothing more than I would expect from any
> kid sharing restaurant space with me.


The place is thriving, have been by there several times lately and
it's always full...

--
Best
Greg

[Michael "Dog3" Lonergan]

"Dave Bugg" <***@yahoo.com> news:aRKNh.81$***@newsfe03.lga:

>
> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>

I loved this excerpt- The father was in basic agreement with the
establishment's owner but put off by it at the same time.

""What I'm saying is that there are ways to approach this issue without
making parents feel uncomfortable, patronized, pushed away."

Pity.

Michael


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[enigma]

"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" <***@foodiecharter.net> wrote
in news:***@69.28.186.121:

> "Dave Bugg" <***@yahoo.com>
> news:aRKNh.81$***@newsfe03.lga:
>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>
>
> I loved this excerpt- The father was in basic agreement
> with the establishment's owner but put off by it at the
> same time.
>
> ""What I'm saying is that there are ways to approach this
> issue without making parents feel uncomfortable,
> patronized, pushed away."

hmmm. if it doesn't apply to you (general), then why would it
make you feel uncomfortable, patronized & pushed away? i think
if you feel that way, something hit a little close to home...
it wouldn't bother me, because i don't let my kid act poorly
in public.
lee

[wff_ng_7]

"enigma" <***@evil.net> wrote:
> "Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" <***@foodiecharter.net> wrote
> in news:***@69.28.186.121:
>
>> "Dave Bugg" <***@yahoo.com>
>> news:aRKNh.81$***@newsfe03.lga:
>>
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ehqav
>>>
>>
>> I loved this excerpt- The father was in basic agreement
>> with the establishment's owner but put off by it at the
>> same time.
>>
>> ""What I'm saying is that there are ways to approach this
>> issue without making parents feel uncomfortable,
>> patronized, pushed away."
>
> hmmm. if it doesn't apply to you (general), then why would it
> make you feel uncomfortable, patronized & pushed away? i think
> if you feel that way, something hit a little close to home...
> it wouldn't bother me, because i don't let my kid act poorly
> in public.

I think the father was looking for a "no consequences" admonishment, just
like he apparently gives his kids. Being excluded from the restaurant is
"consequences". I'm also sure he didn't want the public embarrassment,
though I'm sure the restaurant owner was as discrete as could be expected
under the circumstances.

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[Michael "Dog3" Lonergan]

enigma <***@evil.net> news:***@199.125.85.9:

>
> hmmm. if it doesn't apply to you (general), then why would it
> make you feel uncomfortable, patronized & pushed away? i think
> if you feel that way, something hit a little close to home...
> it wouldn't bother me, because i don't let my kid act poorly
> in public.
> lee

The person making the remark in the article was the father of the kids in
question, unless I misread the article. You are one of the exceptions that
have their children behave in public. I applaud you ;) IMO, kids are
going to be kids. I have nothing against them at all but if I want kids
when I dine out, I'll bring some.

I have seen some really well behaved children in restaurants but that
situation is a rarity. Usually the kids are disruptive (as kids will be)
and the parents are completely oblivious to it. I don't blame the kids but
I do blame the parents.

Michael

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[Dave Smith]

Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote:
>
>
> The person making the remark in the article was the father of the kids in
> question, unless I misread the article.

Actually, the person who was confronted by the owner and who commented was
the mother.

> You are one of the exceptions that
> have their children behave in public. I applaud you ;) IMO, kids are
> going to be kids. I have nothing against them at all but if I want kids
> when I dine out, I'll bring some.


Yes, kids are kids, and there are places for kids. No reasonable person can
object to a child in a restaurant, provided the child behaves. If the
child cannot sit at a table and talk in a normal voice or sit still and eat
his meal it is up to the parents to deal with the behaviour or not to bring
the child until he can behave.


> I have seen some really well behaved children in restaurants but that
> situation is a rarity. Usually the kids are disruptive (as kids will be)
> and the parents are completely oblivious to it. I don't blame the kids but
> I do blame the parents.

It is amazing how so many parents are able to tune out the unacceptable
behaviour of their children. Some even seem to think it is cute. A young
mother was offended at my comment the other day as I left the Y gym. The
building is two years old and starting to experience some settling in
pains, like a slight heave in the sidewalk by the main entrance which
presented a bit of a hazard to people coming in. They had put up to bright
red pylons to mark it. This woman came out with her young boy (1 1/2 - 2?)
who was having a great time moving them around . Her only attempt to
correct him was to enunciate the word "pylon" which he managed to repeat.
She seemed amused at the way he was moving them around and they two of them
were suggesting reasons for the pylons being there. Realizing they were not
about to be put back where they were I ventured to suggest that they were
there to mark the hazard in the sidewalk..... and as she walked away
leaving them 20 feet from there..... but if you think it's okay fro Junior
to move them......




>
> Michael
>
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>
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[enigma]

"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" <***@foodiecharter.net> wrote
in news:***@69.28.186.121:

> enigma <***@evil.net>
> news:***@199.125.85.9:
>
>>
>> hmmm. if it doesn't apply to you (general), then why
>> would it
>> make you feel uncomfortable, patronized & pushed away? i
>> think if you feel that way, something hit a little close
>> to home...
>> it wouldn't bother me, because i don't let my kid act
>> poorly
>> in public.
>> lee
>
> The person making the remark in the article was the father
> of the kids in question, unless I misread the article. You
> are one of the exceptions that have their children behave
> in public. I applaud you ;) IMO, kids are going to be
> kids. I have nothing against them at all but if I want
> kids when I dine out, I'll bring some.

that's how i feel. i'd be mortified if my child was
disruptive, or even noticable, in a restaurant. i'm there for
a nice meal & i assume the other diners are too. that doesn't
include them being subjected to a floor show by my kid!

> I have seen some really well behaved children in
> restaurants but that situation is a rarity. Usually the
> kids are disruptive (as kids will be) and the parents are
> completely oblivious to it. I don't blame the kids but I
> do blame the parents.

there was about 16 months where we didn't take Boo out to
real restaurants because his behavior was unpredictable
(between 2-3 years old). he's mildly autistic & hadn't got the
coping thing worked out. now he can tell us if he needs to
leave before anyone else notices an quirky behavior. sometimes
all he needs is to go out to the parking lot & run in circles
& sometimes he wants to go home. so we get the meal to go.
lee