"13 quarts", MY ASS!!!

[Sqwertz]

Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?

And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!

Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?

Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

Otherwise ......

https://postimg.cc/QHjq48Lz

The manual says to leave 2 inches of headspace at the top and 1" on
all other sides for proper circulation of hot air. And lookie
there, there's maybe room for about one more quart in front of that
gallon (I have to raise them both an inch from bottom).

So my 13 quart air fryer really only holds 5 quarts, not 13.
Fuckers.

It's Sur la Table's 13-quart <cough> air frying toaster oven, a
Costco exclusive. $80 on sale, now at $109. It's seems to be pretty
nice. I did temperature measurements on it along with fluctuationa
times and they were all better than I expected. Nerdz: 393F
(advertised 400F) from cold start in 3.5 minutes. Drop to 383 over
20 seconds, recover back to 393F in 12-14 seconds.

https://www.costco.com/sur-la-table-13-quart-multifunctional-air-fryer.product.100781829.html

But it's being returned for other reasons. Mainly, it wasn't bought
from Costco and the person who bought it got ripped off. It was
$193 on ebay slightly used/open box with no warranty at all and was
missing a couple parts.

(*) What is a cuboid? It's a 3-dimensional object with exactly 24
edges that are each 90-degrees and each projected edge forms the
border between two more edges of same. Duh! You'll need Tinker toys
to figure thsioen out....

(**) I've got a sore throat, laryngitis,and can't hear (Stones
concert earlier tonight). So I'm taking it out on my keyboard and
RFC.

-sw

[GM]

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).
Otherwise ......
https://postimg.cc/QHjq48Lz
The manual says to leave 2 inches of headspace at the top and 1" on
all other sides for proper circulation of hot air. And lookie
there, there's maybe room for about one more quart in front of that
gallon (I have to raise them both an inch from bottom).
So my 13 quart air fryer really only holds 5 quarts, not 13.
Fuckers.
It's Sur la Table's 13-quart <cough> air frying toaster oven, a
Costco exclusive. $80 on sale, now at $109. It's seems to be pretty
nice. I did temperature measurements on it along with fluctuationa
times and they were all better than I expected. Nerdz: 393F
(advertised 400F) from cold start in 3.5 minutes. Drop to 383 over
20 seconds, recover back to 393F in 12-14 seconds.
https://www.costco.com/sur-la-table-13-quart-multifunctional-air-fryer.product.100781829.html
But it's being returned for other reasons. Mainly, it wasn't bought
from Costco and the person who bought it got ripped off. It was
$193 on ebay slightly used/open box with no warranty at all and was
missing a couple parts.
(*) What is a cuboid? It's a 3-dimensional object with exactly 24
edges that are each 90-degrees and each projected edge forms the
border between two more edges of same. Duh! You'll need Tinker toys
to figure thsioen out....
(**) I've got a sore throat, laryngitis,and can't hear (Stones
concert earlier tonight). So I'm taking it out on my keyboard and
RFC.

Steve, sorry about your travails, being a consumer can kinda suck these daze...

I did not know that "Surly Table" was even a thang anymore...

Take care, and I don't mean that sarcastically... you are "inimitable"...

And watch out for those "whole chickens"...

;-D

[Bryan Simmons]

Post by GM

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).
Otherwise ......
https://postimg.cc/QHjq48Lz
The manual says to leave 2 inches of headspace at the top and 1" on
all other sides for proper circulation of hot air. And lookie
there, there's maybe room for about one more quart in front of that
gallon (I have to raise them both an inch from bottom).
So my 13 quart air fryer really only holds 5 quarts, not 13.
Fuckers.
It's Sur la Table's 13-quart <cough> air frying toaster oven, a
Costco exclusive. $80 on sale, now at $109. It's seems to be pretty
nice. I did temperature measurements on it along with fluctuationa
times and they were all better than I expected. Nerdz: 393F
(advertised 400F) from cold start in 3.5 minutes. Drop to 383 over
20 seconds, recover back to 393F in 12-14 seconds.
https://www.costco.com/sur-la-table-13-quart-multifunctional-air-fryer.product.100781829.html
But it's being returned for other reasons. Mainly, it wasn't bought
from Costco and the person who bought it got ripped off. It was
$193 on ebay slightly used/open box with no warranty at all and was
missing a couple parts.
(*) What is a cuboid? It's a 3-dimensional object with exactly 24
edges that are each 90-degrees and each projected edge forms the
border between two more edges of same. Duh! You'll need Tinker toys
to figure thsioen out....
(**) I've got a sore throat, laryngitis,and can't hear (Stones
concert earlier tonight). So I'm taking it out on my keyboard and
RFC.

Steve, sorry about your travails, being a consumer can kinda suck these daze...
I did not know that "Surly Table" was even a thang anymore...
Take care, and I don't mean that sarcastically... you are "inimitable"...
And watch out for those "whole chickens"...

I guess it depends on where you think the ass starts and stops, but I
think mine is significantly less than 3.25 gallons.

Post by GM
--
GM

--Bryan

[Sqwertz]

Post by Bryan Simmons
I guess it depends on where you think the ass starts and stops, but I
think mine is significantly less than 3.25 gallons.

I meant to add that if my Coroner (or some crazy, murdering
family(*)) took cross-sections of my body that includes the ass from
the belt line to the bottom creases of the cheeks INCLUDING the
front section as well. I think I'm maybe 2.3 gallons, tops.

We could also just ask Google for the average, too. Duh.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+volume+of+the+human+ass

Yeah, that's not what I assed(*) you sick jailhouse motherfuckers.

(*) Freudian slip.

-sw

[Jeßus]

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).
Otherwise ......
https://postimg.cc/QHjq48Lz
The manual says to leave 2 inches of headspace at the top and 1" on
all other sides for proper circulation of hot air. And lookie
there, there's maybe room for about one more quart in front of that
gallon (I have to raise them both an inch from bottom).
So my 13 quart air fryer really only holds 5 quarts, not 13.
Fuckers.

GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

Post by Sqwertz
(**) I've got a sore throat, laryngitis,and can't hear (Stones
concert earlier tonight).

Did they swing their colostomy bags on stage?

[Bryan Simmons]

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).
Otherwise ......
https://postimg.cc/QHjq48Lz
The manual says to leave 2 inches of headspace at the top and 1" on
all other sides for proper circulation of hot air. And lookie
there, there's maybe room for about one more quart in front of that
gallon (I have to raise them both an inch from bottom).
So my 13 quart air fryer really only holds 5 quarts, not 13.
Fuckers.

GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

Post by Sqwertz
(**) I've got a sore throat, laryngitis,and can't hear (Stones
concert earlier tonight).

Did they swing their colostomy bags on stage?

As the years go by, I'm sure more people wonder if Jagger
made a deal with the Devil. I mean, he's getting to look like
the Dorian Gray painting, but he's got a hot, dancer GF,
which reminds me of that verse in *Rocks Off*.

--Bryan

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 01:51:11 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons

Post by Bryan Simmons

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
(**) I've got a sore throat, laryngitis,and can't hear (Stones
concert earlier tonight).

Did they swing their colostomy bags on stage?

As the years go by, I'm sure more people wonder if Jagger
made a deal with the Devil. I mean, he's getting to look like
the Dorian Gray painting, but he's got a hot, dancer GF,
which reminds me of that verse in *Rocks Off*.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=455915812565525&set=a.301280304695744

I'm more concerned about what kind of world future generations will
leave for Keith Richards.

[Bruce]

Post by Jeßus
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 01:51:11 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons

Post by Bryan Simmons

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
(**) I've got a sore throat, laryngitis,and can't hear (Stones
concert earlier tonight).

Did they swing their colostomy bags on stage?

As the years go by, I'm sure more people wonder if Jagger
made a deal with the Devil. I mean, he's getting to look like
the Dorian Gray painting, but he's got a hot, dancer GF,
which reminds me of that verse in *Rocks Off*.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=455915812565525&set=a.301280304695744
I'm more concerned about what kind of world future generations will
leave for Keith Richards.

:)

[Sqwertz]

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

...

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

You rang?

OK, so lets change quarts to liters, pizza to centimeters, feet to
meters, chickens to Gallus Domesticus, and slices to crumpets.

And that solves... what?

Metric System:

Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

There wasn't anything to base metric distances on back then, nor is
there today. You know how WE solved it?

A yardstick. Duh!

You can get them for free at most hardware stores here in the U.S.
(with additional $20 purchase). You can get them on Amazon, too,
probably.

Give up yet? You want some more of my undeniable logic and words of
random wisdom, just say the word - or any word! ;-)

Post by Jeßus
Did they swing their colostomy bags on stage?

They bring in at least $10 million every day of their tours for the
last 30 years. That buys whole new anuses, rectums, colons, and
large intestines for the whole band. They swing the old ones around
instead of colostomy bags.

-sw

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

...

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

You rang?
OK, so lets change quarts to liters, pizza to centimeters, feet to
meters, chickens to Gallus Domesticus, and slices to crumpets.
And that solves... what?
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

Only because you think so. Other people have differing opinions, worth
just as much as yours.

Grams are much more convenient in everyday life. A cubic meter of
water is too much to be useful.

Post by Sqwertz
And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

The meter is now determined in terms of a real constant:

The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in
1/299,792,458 of a second.

I'm sure you won't find that palatable. In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

On 2021-11-21 7:29 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

Post by Cindy Hamilton
The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in
1/299,792,458 of a second.

Maybe the problem there is the use of the 24 hour clock divided by 60ths.

Post by Cindy Hamilton
I'm sure you won't find that palatable. In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

Football? The advantage of the metre and the system is that it is based
on multiples of ten and uses common prefixes, like kilo, mega, nano,
centa etc. I grew up with Imperial. I worked in metric, and I found
metric easier to deal with.

[Sqwertz]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

Only because you think so. Other people have differing opinions, worth
just as much as yours.
Grams are much more convenient in everyday life. A cubic meter of
water is too much to be useful.

You don't understand. I'm only changing the names. the volumes and
weights they're representing are not changing (but they could very
easily). I'm changing just what the base words refer to make them
standardized to the same static measurement of water.

Today: 1 gram = 1 milliter = 1 cubic centimeter

Why the three different prefixes that are different base 10
multipliers!!?! The base word should refer to the same object not
base 10 multiplier attached to the base word.

I know this may be hard for you to wrap your head around. have some
more coffee and oatmeal and try reprocessing it. And then throw
that first paragraph backatcha.

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz
And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in
1/299,792,458 of a second.

<laugh> Ahh, the 'ol lick my finger and point a flashlight at it.
How about this (using today's metric): A meter is = 100 X the length
of any side of gram of water at 4C in perfect cube.

Gee, that's the same as it is now! (or was. They changed that, too,
just 2 years ago).

But all this is immaterial to what I'm suggesting. What they refer
to is irrelevant. Only the names are changing to standardize the
prefixes to base words to the object they refer to.

And I somehow came in 3rd place in a science fair of 400 students
(across three local high schools) in 10th grade by suggesting these
same changes. So apparently some science people agreed with my
proposal. And I did it with only 2 posterboards and a handout. I was
commended for my originality and simplicity (they had never seen
this before). I said , "Mrs. Manning did [my MATH teacher] and she
told me stop being silly. So I made it my science project.". Yeah,
that didn't over too well. This was in 1982 or so when there was
some sort of renewed push to convert to metric again.

Post by Cindy Hamilton
In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

I've used a yardstick at least 12 times in the last 3 days. You do
know that they measure inches and feet, too, right? And I often use
yards 50 times or more on Sundays especially (August through
January). And I use yards to describe visual guestimates between
5 and 100 yards - less room for +/- error than if I guess the number
of feet. Smaller numbers = smaller errors.

You need to chill out. You wake up in bad moods. What are you
wearing?

-sw

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Sqwertz
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

Only because you think so. Other people have differing opinions, worth
just as much as yours.
Grams are much more convenient in everyday life. A cubic meter of
water is too much to be useful.

You don't understand. I'm only changing the names. the volumes and
weights they're representing are not changing (but they could very
easily). I'm changing just what the base words refer to make them
standardized to the same static measurement of water.
Today: 1 gram = 1 milliter = 1 cubic centimeter
Why the three different prefixes that are different base 10
multipliers!!?! The base word should refer to the same object not
base 10 multiplier attached to the base word.

You're the only person out of 7.9 billion who cares. Since the
system has been in use for a couple of hundred years, I don't
recommend you hold your breath waiting for the other 789,999,999,999
people to come around to your way of thinking.

But all this is immaterial to what I'm suggesting. What they refer
to is irrelevant. Only the names are changing to standardize the
prefixes to base words to the object they refer to.
And I somehow came in 3rd place in a science fair of 400 students
(across three local high schools) in 10th grade by suggesting these
same changes. So apparently some science people agreed with my
proposal. And I did it with only 2 posterboards and a handout. I was
commended for my originality and simplicity (they had never seen
this before). I said , "Mrs. Manning did [my MATH teacher] and she
told me stop being silly. So I made it my science project.". Yeah,
that didn't over too well. This was in 1982 or so when there was
some sort of renewed push to convert to metric again.

The fact that they found your argument original and simple doesn't
mean they thought it should happen. They probably went back
to the teachers' lounge and agreed with Mrs. Manning.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Cindy Hamilton
In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

I've used a yardstick at least 12 times in the last 3 days. You do
know that they measure inches and feet, too, right? And I often use
yards 50 times or more on Sundays especially (August through
January).

I attended a metric seminar at work the year that we switched over. The
explained the basics, like the units of mass, distance, temperature, the
prefixes etc. They stressed the importance of thinking metric. Don't
measure things in metric and convert to metric, or vice versa, meaure in
metric. There was a little test at the end. After the tests were all
done and the seminar was ending the instructor held up a measuring stick
that was about a meter /yard long and asked people what that thing was
called. Everyone else in the class said it was a yard stick. I said it
was a metre stick, and that metre stick was my prize for getting it right.

Post by Sqwertz
And I use yards to describe visual guestimates between
5 and 100 yards - less room for +/- error than if I guess the number
of feet. Smaller numbers = smaller errors.

For short distances metres are basically the same as yards. One hundred
yards is a common approximation and even at that point a quesstimate is
close enough, but when you get to kilometres and miles it gets tricky
because a kilometer is 10 times that 100metre guess while a mile is 17.6
times the 100 yard guesstimate.

[Graham]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:29:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

...

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

You rang?
OK, so lets change quarts to liters, pizza to centimeters, feet to
meters, chickens to Gallus Domesticus, and slices to crumpets.
And that solves... what?
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

Only because you think so. Other people have differing opinions, worth
just as much as yours.
Grams are much more convenient in everyday life. A cubic meter of
water is too much to be useful.

Post by Sqwertz
And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in
1/299,792,458 of a second.
I'm sure you won't find that palatable. In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

How is 10/100/1000 not easier than the Imperial system which is so
archaic and inconsistent?

Did I ever say it wasn't? I'd love it if we metricated.

One dram = 27.344 grains, or 0.0625 ounce
One ounce = 16 drams, 437.5 grains, or 0.0625 pound
One pound = 16 ounces, or 7,000 grains
OR
One milligram
One gram
One kilo
? All multiples of 10. Easy, no need to memorize all the imperial
inconsistencies.

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

...and car mechanics who use millimetres!!

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:53:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:29:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

...

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

You rang?
OK, so lets change quarts to liters, pizza to centimeters, feet to
meters, chickens to Gallus Domesticus, and slices to crumpets.
And that solves... what?
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

Only because you think so. Other people have differing opinions, worth
just as much as yours.
Grams are much more convenient in everyday life. A cubic meter of
water is too much to be useful.

Post by Sqwertz
And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in
1/299,792,458 of a second.
I'm sure you won't find that palatable. In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

How is 10/100/1000 not easier than the Imperial system which is so
archaic and inconsistent?

Did I ever say it wasn't? I'd love it if we metricated.

OK,' Carol'. I was only supporting your argument.

One dram = 27.344 grains, or 0.0625 ounce
One ounce = 16 drams, 437.5 grains, or 0.0625 pound
One pound = 16 ounces, or 7,000 grains
OR
One milligram
One gram
One kilo
? All multiples of 10. Easy, no need to memorize all the imperial
inconsistencies.

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

I wondered about that. What do you use for anything less than an
ounce?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Jeßus
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:53:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:29:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

...

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

You rang?
OK, so lets change quarts to liters, pizza to centimeters, feet to
meters, chickens to Gallus Domesticus, and slices to crumpets.
And that solves... what?
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

Only because you think so. Other people have differing opinions, worth
just as much as yours.
Grams are much more convenient in everyday life. A cubic meter of
water is too much to be useful.

Post by Sqwertz
And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in
1/299,792,458 of a second.
I'm sure you won't find that palatable. In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

How is 10/100/1000 not easier than the Imperial system which is so
archaic and inconsistent?

Did I ever say it wasn't? I'd love it if we metricated.

OK,' Carol'. I was only supporting your argument.

One dram = 27.344 grains, or 0.0625 ounce
One ounce = 16 drams, 437.5 grains, or 0.0625 pound
One pound = 16 ounces, or 7,000 grains
OR
One milligram
One gram
One kilo
? All multiples of 10. Easy, no need to memorize all the imperial
inconsistencies.

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

I wondered about that. What do you use for anything less than an
ounce?

Depends on who you are. If you're a cook, you probably use teaspoons
and tablespoons. Measuring teaspoons have been standardized at
5 ml. (We secretly are metric...)

Unless you're talking about mass. Then we'd probably measure by
volume anyhow.

I imagine anybody in the sciences (including medicine) would use milliliters
or grams, depending.

Cindy Hamilton

[Hank Rogers]

Post by Jeßus
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:53:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:29:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

...

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

You rang?
OK, so lets change quarts to liters, pizza to centimeters, feet to
meters, chickens to Gallus Domesticus, and slices to crumpets.
And that solves... what?
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

Only because you think so. Other people have differing opinions, worth
just as much as yours.
Grams are much more convenient in everyday life. A cubic meter of
water is too much to be useful.

Post by Sqwertz
And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in
1/299,792,458 of a second.
I'm sure you won't find that palatable. In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

How is 10/100/1000 not easier than the Imperial system which is so
archaic and inconsistent?

Did I ever say it wasn't? I'd love it if we metricated.

OK,' Carol'. I was only supporting your argument.

One dram = 27.344 grains, or 0.0625 ounce
One ounce = 16 drams, 437.5 grains, or 0.0625 pound
One pound = 16 ounces, or 7,000 grains
OR
One milligram
One gram
One kilo
? All multiples of 10. Easy, no need to memorize all the imperial
inconsistencies.

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

I wondered about that. What do you use for anything less than an
ounce?

Loading powder into rifle cartridges for one example.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Hank Rogers

Post by Jeßus
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:53:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:29:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

...

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

You rang?
OK, so lets change quarts to liters, pizza to centimeters, feet to
meters, chickens to Gallus Domesticus, and slices to crumpets.
And that solves... what?
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

Only because you think so. Other people have differing opinions, worth
just as much as yours.
Grams are much more convenient in everyday life. A cubic meter of
water is too much to be useful.

Post by Sqwertz
And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in
1/299,792,458 of a second.
I'm sure you won't find that palatable. In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

How is 10/100/1000 not easier than the Imperial system which is so
archaic and inconsistent?

Did I ever say it wasn't? I'd love it if we metricated.

OK,' Carol'. I was only supporting your argument.

One dram = 27.344 grains, or 0.0625 ounce
One ounce = 16 drams, 437.5 grains, or 0.0625 pound
One pound = 16 ounces, or 7,000 grains
OR
One milligram
One gram
One kilo
? All multiples of 10. Easy, no need to memorize all the imperial
inconsistencies.

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

I wondered about that. What do you use for anything less than an
ounce?

Loading powder into rifle cartridges for one example.

Scale? A little scoop calibrated for what you're doing? My husband's
reloading bench is right behind me, but I've never paid much attention
to what he does with it.

He loads 9mm. That would be Nine Millimeters. We're already metric.

Cindy Hamilton

[Michael Trew]

Post by Jeßus
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:53:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:29:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

Because this is 'Murica! You're on board with US politics, so you
better get on board with the customary system of measures here. ;)

Post by Jeßus

One dram = 27.344 grains, or 0.0625 ounce...

(snip)

Post by Jeßus

? All multiples of 10. Easy, no need to memorize all the imperial
inconsistencies.

You can say it's easy to switch all you want with your multiples of 10,
but when you are accustomed to something ("memorized" as you say), it's
not an easy switch. I also get annoyed with my one newer pyrex 2 cup
measure. One side is ounces, the other is ML. I always accidentally
start on the "ML" side, so now I almost never use it. Too much tiny
jargon; only scientists need measurements that small.

No one here measures with drams, grains, etc. I've never heard anyone
from the US measure in "grams" (unless in science class), and very
rarely in centimeters. If someone mentions "centimeter", people usually
stare at them and cock their head. "Just under half an inch" is my
mental perception of that. My favorite yardstick is of an age to not
have that stuff on it, just inches/feet.

Post by Jeßus

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

I wondered about that. What do you use for anything less than an
ounce?

Teaspoons and tablespoons. Unless you're a chemist, who needs less than
an ounce? Easy to eyeball half an ounce for cooking if need be; it'll
be fine.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:19:36 -0500, Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Jeßus
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:53:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:29:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

Because this is 'Murica! You're on board with US politics, so you
better get on board with the customary system of measures here. ;)

Yes. I know yoose people refer to them as 'Freedom Units'.

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Jeßus

One dram = 27.344 grains, or 0.0625 ounce...

(snip)

Post by Jeßus

? All multiples of 10. Easy, no need to memorize all the imperial
inconsistencies.

You can say it's easy to switch all you want with your multiples of 10,
but when you are accustomed to something ("memorized" as you say), it's
not an easy switch. I also get annoyed with my one newer pyrex 2 cup
measure. One side is ounces, the other is ML. I always accidentally
start on the "ML" side, so now I almost never use it. Too much tiny
jargon; only scientists need measurements that small.

<shrug>. Australia transitioned from Imperial to Metric when I was in
school, it was basically seamless and I never recalled anyone in
school confused by it.

Post by Michael Trew
No one here measures with drams, grains, etc. I've never heard anyone
from the US measure in "grams" (unless in science class), and very
rarely in centimeters. If someone mentions "centimeter", people usually
stare at them and cock their head. "Just under half an inch" is my
mental perception of that. My favorite yardstick is of an age to not
have that stuff on it, just inches/feet.

Post by Jeßus

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

I wondered about that. What do you use for anything less than an
ounce?

Teaspoons and tablespoons. Unless you're a chemist, who needs less than
an ounce? Easy to eyeball half an ounce for cooking if need be; it'll
be fine.

Chemicals and such.

[Bruce]

Post by Jeßus
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:19:36 -0500, Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew
You can say it's easy to switch all you want with your multiples of 10,
but when you are accustomed to something ("memorized" as you say), it's
not an easy switch. I also get annoyed with my one newer pyrex 2 cup
measure. One side is ounces, the other is ML. I always accidentally
start on the "ML" side, so now I almost never use it. Too much tiny
jargon; only scientists need measurements that small.

<shrug>. Australia transitioned from Imperial to Metric when I was in
school, it was basically seamless and I never recalled anyone in
school confused by it.

Michael wasn't born yet.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Jeßus
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:19:36 -0500, Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew
Because this is 'Murica! You're on board with US politics, so you
better get on board with the customary system of measures here. ;)

Yes. I know yoose people refer to them as 'Freedom Units'.

I've never heard of that, but that's interesting... lol

Post by Jeßus

Post by Michael Trew
You can say it's easy to switch all you want with your multiples of 10,
but when you are accustomed to something ("memorized" as you say), it's
not an easy switch. I also get annoyed with my one newer pyrex 2 cup
measure. One side is ounces, the other is ML. I always accidentally
start on the "ML" side, so now I almost never use it. Too much tiny
jargon; only scientists need measurements that small.

<shrug>. Australia transitioned from Imperial to Metric when I was in
school, it was basically seamless and I never recalled anyone in
school confused by it.

To be fair, I am stubborn as a mule. I keep just enough understanding
of Metric to convert basic units on-the-fly.

Before someone mentions it, I also know enough to use the wrenches on my
car... 13MM is equal to a 1/2 inch wrench... lol

Post by Jeßus

Post by Michael Trew
Teaspoons and tablespoons. Unless you're a chemist, who needs less than
an ounce? Easy to eyeball half an ounce for cooking if need be; it'll
be fine.

Chemicals and such.

Well yes, for folks that work with those. Ounces is plenty enough for
household chemicals/fertilizer/pesticide. Otherwise, the most precise
liquids and solids that I measure would be for baking, and
cups/ounces/TBSP/TSP will suffice fine.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:19:36 -0500, Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew
You can say it's easy to switch all you want with your multiples of 10,
but when you are accustomed to something ("memorized" as you say), it's
not an easy switch. I also get annoyed with my one newer pyrex 2 cup
measure. One side is ounces, the other is ML. I always accidentally
start on the "ML" side, so now I almost never use it.

I know you're not retarded, but you sure sound it.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Jeßus
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:19:36 -0500, Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew
You can say it's easy to switch all you want with your multiples of 10,
but when you are accustomed to something ("memorized" as you say), it's
not an easy switch. I also get annoyed with my one newer pyrex 2 cup
measure. One side is ounces, the other is ML. I always accidentally
start on the "ML" side, so now I almost never use it.

I know you're not retarded, but you sure sound it.

It was just one of those pet peeve things... I'm not sure how I always
looked at the wrong side first, but enough of a small inconvenience was
annoying. I solved the issue by finding a vintage one that only has
cups/ounces on both sides. :)

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:29:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

...

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

You rang?
OK, so lets change quarts to liters, pizza to centimeters, feet to
meters, chickens to Gallus Domesticus, and slices to crumpets.
And that solves... what?
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

Only because you think so. Other people have differing opinions, worth
just as much as yours.
Grams are much more convenient in everyday life. A cubic meter of
water is too much to be useful.

Post by Sqwertz
And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in
1/299,792,458 of a second.
I'm sure you won't find that palatable. In fact, the meter is a very coarse
measurement of distance. How often do you use yards, really?

How is 10/100/1000 not easier than the Imperial system which is so
archaic and inconsistent?

Did I ever say it wasn't? I'd love it if we metricated.
Cindy Hamilton

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.

Cars, appliances -- metric

[i***@webtv.net]

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by i***@webtv.net

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

They already do in most cases with electronic controls

Is GE oven Fahrenheit or Celsius?
In GE ranges, first press both "Bake" and "Broil HI/LO" buttons
simultaneously and hold them for about five seconds. The display will
show "SF." After that, press "Broil HI/LO" only until the display shows
"C." (In some models, you will need to press "Cooktime" and "Broil
HI/LO" buttons simultaneously.)

[i***@webtv.net]

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

They already do in most cases with electronic controls
Is GE oven Fahrenheit or Celsius?
In GE ranges, first press both "Bake" and "Broil HI/LO" buttons
simultaneously and hold them for about five seconds. The display will
show "SF." After that, press "Broil HI/LO" only until the display shows
"C." (In some models, you will need to press "Cooktime" and "Broil
HI/LO" buttons simultaneously.)

My kitchen stove is less than 10 years old and it only shows Fahrenheit.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by i***@webtv.net

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

They already do in most cases with electronic controls
Is GE oven Fahrenheit or Celsius?
In GE ranges, first press both "Bake" and "Broil HI/LO" buttons
simultaneously and hold them for about five seconds. The display will
show "SF." After that, press "Broil HI/LO" only until the display shows
"C." (In some models, you will need to press "Cooktime" and "Broil
HI/LO" buttons simultaneously.)

My kitchen stove is less than 10 years old and it only shows Fahrenheit.

Sure, but chances are it can be changed. Many cars in the past 20 years
are the same. When I want to Canada a push of a button change to
kilometers. When designing a circuit board it is easy to program both
into it and make it switchable and usable world wide. Chances are, if
you push the right combination of buttons or move a jumper on the board
it can be changed.

[Dave Smith]

Sure, but chances are it can be changed.  Many cars in the past 20 years
are the same.  When I want to Canada a push of a button change to
kilometers.  When designing a circuit board it is easy to program both
into it and make it switchable and usable world wide.  Chances are, if
you push the right combination of buttons or move a jumper on the board
it can be changed.

Then there is the problem of remembering what combination of buttons and
jumpers turned out to be the one that worked and then remembering that
when you have to do it again. I have a Ring doorbell that works great
when it is working. Unfortunately, it craps out once in a while, like
when I have wifi problems. One or both chimes takes itself off line, or
the bell goes off line. I always have trouble figuring out what screwed
up and I try to get them reset. All of a sudden it will start working
again, but I tried so many other things first that I forget which one
actually worked.

[S Viemeister]

Post by i***@webtv.net

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

My old stove had both Fahrenheit and Celsius marked on its dial.
I believe some of the newer electronic control ones, can be easily
flipped from one to the other.

[Dave Smith]

Post by S Viemeister

Post by i***@webtv.net

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that
guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes."  My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius."  I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black &
Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

My old stove had both Fahrenheit and Celsius marked on its dial.
I believe some of the newer electronic control ones, can be easily
flipped from one to the other.

My Frigidaire oven's default in F. It is supposed to be easy to switch.
Press and hold the Broil button and the display pops up C or F/. Hit
the up or down arrow to toggle back and forth. I never bothered to
change it because most of the recipes I follow give metric temperatures.

[Bruce]

Post by i***@webtv.net

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

Did you know there are websites that very conveniently convert
everything for you to the American system? You could even do that in
advance, before you start cooking. It could take one minute, though.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Bruce

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

Did you know there are websites that very conveniently convert
everything for you to the American system? You could even do that in
advance, before you start cooking. It could take one minute, though.

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Dave Smith

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

That's the precise issue. 250 ML??? Why??? What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier. It's not freaking rocket science.

Conversely, I agree that a 428 cubic inch engine is a lot easier to be
read as a "7 litre" engine (although my stubborn self will still
continue to use the standard US measures).

[dsi1]

Post by Dave Smith

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

That's the precise issue. 250 ML??? Why??? What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier. It's not freaking rocket science.
Conversely, I agree that a 428 cubic inch engine is a lot easier to be
read as a "7 litre" engine (although my stubborn self will still
continue to use the standard US measures).

When you consider that most of the world's engines are 2.4 L or less, a 427 engine sounds monstrous when expressed as a 7 liter engine. My Jeep XJ had a 4 "Litre" engine. I guess they spelled it that way so as not to confuse the Brits.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 18:07:33 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Post by dsi1
My Jeep XJ had a 4 "Litre" engine. I guess they spelled it that way so as not to confuse the Brits.

Well, it IS the original, correct way to spell it.

[Michael Trew]

Post by dsi1

That's the precise issue. 250 ML??? Why??? What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier. It's not freaking rocket science.
Conversely, I agree that a 428 cubic inch engine is a lot easier to be
read as a "7 litre" engine (although my stubborn self will still
continue to use the standard US measures).

When you consider that most of the world's engines are 2.4 L or less, a 427 engine sounds monstrous when expressed as a 7 liter engine. My Jeep XJ had a 4 "Litre" engine. I guess they spelled it that way so as not to confuse the Brits.

Ah, litre/liter, whatever. It's a "European" measure anyway ;)

Yes, that is a huge engine, one of the biggest offered in old-school
Fords. I picked that one out of the blue, and it worked well in my
example when I converted it, since it basically rounded off to an even
7L. I've never owned a car with larger than a 371 engine. My old
Galaxie, with it's 302 cu in engine, rounds off to a 5.0L, which is also
a rather round number.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by Dave Smith

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

That's the precise issue.  250 ML???  Why???  What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier.  It's not freaking rocket science.
Conversely, I agree that a 428 cubic inch engine is a lot easier to be
read as a "7 litre" engine (although my stubborn self will still
continue to use the standard US measures).

Right, its not rocket science and the rest of the world had used it for
centuries. I don't know why people fight metric. I've had to use it for
years and after a couple of weeks it is very natural. Are your cars
metric? The 1/2"- 9/16" was replaced by the 10mm and 12mm.

Metric will be in your future with an international society so it is
easier to pay attention than to fight it.

[Bruce]

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by Dave Smith

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

That's the precise issue.  250 ML???  Why???  What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier.  It's not freaking rocket science.
Conversely, I agree that a 428 cubic inch engine is a lot easier to be
read as a "7 litre" engine (although my stubborn self will still
continue to use the standard US measures).

Right, its not rocket science and the rest of the world had used it for
centuries. I don't know why people fight metric. I've had to use it for
years and after a couple of weeks it is very natural. Are your cars
metric? The 1/2"- 9/16" was replaced by the 10mm and 12mm.
Metric will be in your future with an international society so it is
easier to pay attention than to fight it.

But to make it up to Americans, we could all start driving on the
right side of the road. I mean, it's called the right side for a
reason.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Ed Pawlowski
Right, its not rocket science and the rest of the world had used it for
centuries. I don't know why people fight metric. I've had to use it for
years and after a couple of weeks it is very natural. Are your cars
metric? The 1/2"- 9/16" was replaced by the 10mm and 12mm.
Metric will be in your future with an international society so it is
easier to pay attention than to fight it.

I learned metric math in the eighth grade, because the U.S. would soon
convert. I learned scientific weights and measures later. I learned
metric wrenches when I bought a 1969 Yamaha.
I learned all this stuff in anticipation of the conversion. I started
sixty years ago. The U.S. has yet to commit to the conversion. That
ain't on me. It's on our Bureau of Standards and the U.S. government.
I wish I'd have worked for, and retired from, the Bureau of Standards.
They don't do sh*t! What a life to have led!

[Michael Trew]

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Dave Smith
There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

That's the precise issue. 250 ML??? Why??? What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier. It's not freaking rocket science.

Right, its not rocket science and the rest of the world had used it for
centuries. I don't know why people fight metric. I've had to use it for
years and after a couple of weeks it is very natural. Are your cars
metric? The 1/2"- 9/16" was replaced by the 10mm and 12mm.
Metric will be in your future with an international society so it is
easier to pay attention than to fight it.

I fight it passively, because I don't like change. I won't be hopeless,
when we some day inevitably change over to Metric. I understand the
basic measures, and can convert most to a round estimate in my head.

With some effort, I will likely be able to easily convert miles to KM in
the future, and other measures. However, when describing the distance,
for example: from my fridge to my kitchen door, I'll likely always
describe it as "about 9 feet", as opposed to "3 metres" or whatever is
comparable.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by Ed Pawlowski

That's the precise issue.  250 ML???  Why???  What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier.  It's not freaking rocket science.

Right, its not rocket science and the rest of the world had used it for
centuries. I don't know why people fight metric. I've had to use it for
years and after a couple of weeks it is very natural. Are your cars
metric? The 1/2"- 9/16" was replaced by the 10mm and 12mm.
Metric will be in your future with an international society so it is
easier to pay attention than to fight it.

I fight it passively, because I don't like change.  I won't be hopeless,
when we some day inevitably change over to Metric.  I understand the
basic measures, and can convert most to a round estimate in my head.
With some effort, I will likely be able to easily convert miles to KM in
the future, and other measures.  However, when describing the distance,
for example: from my fridge to my kitchen door, I'll likely always
describe it as "about 9 feet", as opposed to "3 metres" or whatever is
comparable.

It is as difficult or as easy as you want it to be. You are
mechanically inclined and would do well in our shop doing mold setup and
machine maintenance. In a week you'd be very comfortable tossing the
SAE tools and going metric. You'd be setting pressure in bars instead
of psi. Oh, check that material. It should be 20 grams per liter.

When you do it all the time you don't think about converting, it is just
as natural as inches.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Ed Pawlowski
Right, its not rocket science and the rest of the world had used it for
centuries. I don't know why people fight metric. I've had to use it for
years and after a couple of weeks it is very natural. Are your cars
metric? The 1/2"- 9/16" was replaced by the 10mm and 12mm.

Forgot to reply to this, yes, the foreign cars are Metric, and some 80s
- 90s US cars are a combination... what a mess that is. At that point,
just pick one and stick to it. The 70's and back are all US standard.
MM Wrenches are easy enough. 13MM is equal to 1/2 in. Typically, brake
bleeders are all 3/8, and battery terminal clamps are all 1/2,
regardless of foreign or domestic.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Dave Smith

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

That's the precise issue.  250 ML???  Why???  What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier.  It's not freaking rocket science.

One cup is pretty damned close to 250 ml. It's not rocket science.

Conversely, I agree that a 428 cubic inch engine is a lot easier to be
read as a "7 litre" engine (although my stubborn self will still
continue to use the standard US measures).

OK, so you are willing to admit that is is stubbornness.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Michael Trew
That's the precise issue. 250 ML??? Why??? What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier. It's not freaking rocket science.

One cup is pretty damned close to 250 ml. It's not rocket science.

Post by Michael Trew
Conversely, I agree that a 428 cubic inch engine is a lot easier to be
read as a "7 litre" engine (although my stubborn self will still
continue to use the standard US measures).

OK, so you are willing to admit that is is stubbornness.

I'm fair in my self-assessment. I'm stubborn as heck. I still think
that 250 is far too elaborate and large of a number to be necessary for
regularly day to day activities like cooking, which is part of my issue.
There is a place for ML, but I'm not conducting chemistry here.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:49:42 -0500, Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew

Post by Dave Smith

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

That's the precise issue. 250 ML??? Why??? What a mess... 1 cup is
far easier. It's not freaking rocket science.

LOL. You need to be more opened minded young man, you're sounding like
Sheldon on this particular subject :)

1 cup/250ml is something second nature to us. It requires zero
thinking.

[i***@webtv.net]

Post by Dave Smith

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

My eyes just glazed over.

[Bruce]

Post by i***@webtv.net

Post by Dave Smith

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

My eyes just glazed over.

It doesn't take much. I know, numbers are hard.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:01:22 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Bruce

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

Did you know there are websites that very conveniently convert
everything for you to the American system? You could even do that in
advance, before you start cooking. It could take one minute, though.

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

But what's a fluid Australian?

[Dave Smith]

Post by Bruce

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

Did you know there are websites that very conveniently convert
everything for you to the American system? You could even do that in
advance, before you start cooking. It could take one minute, though.

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:01:25 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Bruce

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

Did you know there are websites that very conveniently convert
everything for you to the American system? You could even do that in
advance, before you start cooking. It could take one minute, though.

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

There isn't much need for sophisticated and detailed conversions.
Instead of one cup they use 250 ml. A tablespoon is 15 ml and a teaspoon
is 5 ml.

Yep.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Bruce

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

Did you know there are websites that very conveniently convert
everything for you to the American system? You could even do that in
advance, before you start cooking. It could take one minute, though.

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

Why should they waste their time providing unit conversions for users in three backward
countries: Burma, Liberia, U.S. We're in such good company. Third-world
hellholes, every one.

Cindy Hamilton

[Janet]

Post by Bruce

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

Did you know there are websites that very conveniently convert
everything for you to the American system? You could even do that in
advance, before you start cooking. It could take one minute, though.

Of course, I know there are websites for converting but why waste my time?
Waste their time and have them post the recipe with the conversions.

Over here, it's common to provide recipes in both measures, and
oven temps in different versions for different types of oven. No problem
at all.

My kitchen scales, which are a standard brand costing less than 20
pounds, measure in imperial or metric, for both dry weights and liquid
measures. Selection takes a tap of the finger and takes 1 second.
For American recipes I use a set of American cups.


Janet UK

[S Viemeister]

Post by Janet
Over here, it's common to provide recipes in both measures, and
oven temps in different versions for different types of oven. No problem
at all.
My kitchen scales, which are a standard brand costing less than 20
pounds, measure in imperial or metric, for both dry weights and liquid
measures. Selection takes a tap of the finger and takes 1 second.
For American recipes I use a set of American cups.

I have a set of US cups, for US recipes. I use them the first time I
follow a recipe - but after measuring using a cup, I plop the ingredient
on my scale, weigh it, and make a note on the recipe.

[dsi1]

Post by i***@webtv.net

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

My Swedish step-mom gave me a recipe for pea soup. Her recipe gave measurements in dL i.e., deciliters. I have seen metric recipes before but that really threw me off. What the heck is 6 dL of peas? I do have a rough idea of what 600 mL of peas are - a very rough idea because 200 mL is somewhat less than a cup. 6 dL of peas must be a good amount less than 3 cups.
My sous vide wand thingie is able to switch between degrees C and F. I wonder if they do that only in America, for us retarded folks.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:20:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Post by dsi1

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

My Swedish step-mom gave me a recipe for pea soup. Her recipe gave measurements in dL i.e., deciliters. I have seen metric recipes before but that really threw me off. What the heck is 6 dL of peas? I do have a rough idea of what 600 mL of peas are - a very rough idea because 200 mL is somewhat less than a cup. 6 dL of peas must

be a good amount less than 3 cups.

Post by dsi1
My sous vide wand thingie is able to switch between degrees C and F. I wonder if they do that only in America, for us retarded folks.

It's unusual because litres, decilitres and millilitres are normally
used for liquids. But maybe blitzed peas, can be called a liquid. I'd
still have given the weight of the whole peas, though.

[dsi1]

Post by Bruce
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:20:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

My Swedish step-mom gave me a recipe for pea soup. Her recipe gave measurements in dL i.e., deciliters. I have seen metric recipes before but that really threw me off. What the heck is 6 dL of peas? I do have a rough idea of what 600 mL of peas are - a very rough idea because 200 mL is somewhat less than a cup. 6 dL of peas must

be a good amount less than 3 cups.

My sous vide wand thingie is able to switch between degrees C and F. I wonder if they do that only in America, for us retarded folks.

It's unusual because litres, decilitres and millilitres are normally
used for liquids. But maybe blitzed peas, can be called a liquid. I'd
still have given the weight of the whole peas, though.

It must be a Swedish thing. Please bop on over to Sweden and find out the real story. She used to work in a genetics labs so that might be a factor. My guess is that most Sweds work in a genetics lab - or as lumberjacks.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:46:11 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Post by dsi1

Post by Bruce
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:20:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

My Swedish step-mom gave me a recipe for pea soup. Her recipe gave measurements in dL i.e., deciliters. I have seen metric recipes before but that really threw me off. What the heck is 6 dL of peas? I do have a rough idea of what 600 mL of peas are - a very rough idea because 200 mL is somewhat less than a cup. 6 dL of peas must

be a good amount less than 3 cups.

My sous vide wand thingie is able to switch between degrees C and F. I wonder if they do that only in America, for us retarded folks.

It's unusual because litres, decilitres and millilitres are normally
used for liquids. But maybe blitzed peas, can be called a liquid. I'd
still have given the weight of the whole peas, though.

It must be a Swedish thing. Please bop on over to Sweden and find out the real story. She used to work in a genetics labs so that might be a factor. My guess is that most Sweds work in a genetics lab - or as lumberjacks.

Most Swedes these days are too busy praying to Allah to have time for
work.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:46:11 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Post by dsi1

Post by Bruce
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:20:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Post by i***@webtv.net
I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

My Swedish step-mom gave me a recipe for pea soup. Her recipe gave measurements in dL i.e., deciliters. I have seen metric recipes before but that really threw me off. What the heck is 6 dL of peas? I do have a rough idea of what 600 mL of peas are - a very rough idea because 200 mL is somewhat less than a cup. 6 dL of peas

must

Post by dsi1

Post by Bruce
be a good amount less than 3 cups.

My sous vide wand thingie is able to switch between degrees C and F. I wonder if they do that only in America, for us retarded folks.

It's unusual because litres, decilitres and millilitres are normally
used for liquids. But maybe blitzed peas, can be called a liquid. I'd
still have given the weight of the whole peas, though.

It must be a Swedish thing. Please bop on over to Sweden and find out the real story. She used to work in a genetics labs so that might be a factor. My guess is that most Sweds work in a genetics lab - or as lumberjacks.

Either that or they travel through the Australian outback in groups of
3 and are called Lars, Lars and Lars.

[Michael Trew]

Post by i***@webtv.net

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black& Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

I fully agree. I glaze over all of those gram recipes; just a headache.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:00:47 -0500, Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew

Post by i***@webtv.net

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black& Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

I fully agree. I glaze over all of those gram recipes; just a headache.

You understand the rest of the world has no such problems?

EG:

Grams to teaspoons
1 gram = 0.23 tsp
2 grams = 0.45 tsp
3 grams = 0.68 tsp
4 grams = 0.9 tsp

It's just second nature for us.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 20:00:47 -0500, Michael Trew

Post by Michael Trew

Post by i***@webtv.net

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black& Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

I fully agree. I glaze over all of those gram recipes; just a headache.

Aww... If you'd ever leave your country, you'd faint from culture
shock. (Don't worry. You'll never leave.)

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by i***@webtv.net

As we do more international trade we may finally switch for real. Where
I worked all the machines were from Austria or Italy o everything made
for them was metric. A few people had a mental block at first but
quickly adapted and realized it was easier.
Cars, appliances -- metric

I find recipes extremely annoying when everything is given as 'X grams of
this" "X milliliters of that" and the finishing comment that guarantees I'll never
try that recipe is "cook at 180°C for X number of minutes." My stove has
never had Celsius measurements and I've never heard of a stove in the USA
measured in Celsius." I cannot see Whirlpool, GE, Frigidaire, Black & Decker,
etc. suddenly producing all their appliances with Celsius readings.

Good grief. My kitchen scale has a button that switches from ounces to grams.
My measuring cup has cups on one side and milliliters on the other. I'm
sitting here in front of an unparalleled research engine that will convert from
Celsius to Fahrenheit for me.

I can set my stove to Celsius or Fahrenheit. How else will GE make sales in Canada?
It even has a setting to display in English, French, or Spanish.


Cindy Hamilton

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My .270
rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any other grain
size. That's all I know about grains.

leo

[Bruce]

On 21 Nov 2021 23:33:54 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My .270
rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any other grain
size. That's all I know about grains.

Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

[Thomas]

Post by Bruce
On 21 Nov 2021 23:33:54 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My .270
rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any other grain
size. That's all I know about grains.

Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

In the US it is all about making a buck.
Take liquor for instance. Change from quart to liter and make some bucks.
Change from yard to meter and no buck to be made.

[dsi1]

Post by Thomas

Post by Bruce
On 21 Nov 2021 23:33:54 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My .270
rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any other grain
size. That's all I know about grains.

Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

In the US it is all about making a buck.
Take liquor for instance. Change from quart to liter and make some bucks.
Change from yard to meter and no buck to be made.

When I was in the UK, I was doing the posted speed limit of 70. I figured it was in kilometers/hour. That comes out to around 45 miles per hour in American. It took me several miles to figure out my speedometer was calibrated in MPH and I was doing over 112 km/h. The Brits haven't converted totally. I guess they're keeping a part of it just in case they were wrong.

[Ophelia]

Post by dsi1

Post by Thomas

Post by Bruce
On 21 Nov 2021 23:33:54 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My .270
rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any other grain
size. That's all I know about grains.

Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

In the US it is all about making a buck.
Take liquor for instance. Change from quart to liter and make some bucks.
Change from yard to meter and no buck to be made.

When I was in the UK, I was doing the posted speed limit of 70. I figured it was in kilometers/hour. That comes out to around 45 miles per hour in American. It took me several miles to figure out my speedometer was calibrated in MPH and I was doing over 112 km/h. The Brits haven't converted totally. I guess they're keeping a part of it just in case they were wrong.

Did they consider you "coloured"?

[Ophelia]

Post by Ophelia

Post by dsi1

Post by Thomas

Post by Bruce
On 21 Nov 2021 23:33:54 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My .270
rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any other grain
size. That's all I know about grains.

Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

In the US it is all about making a buck.
Take liquor for instance. Change from quart to liter and make some bucks.
Change from yard to meter and no buck to be made.

When I was in the UK, I was doing the posted speed limit of 70. I figured it was in kilometers/hour. That comes out to around 45 miles per hour in American. It took me several miles to figure out my speedometer was calibrated in MPH and I was doing over 112 km/h. The Brits haven't converted totally. I guess they're keeping a part of it just in case they were wrong.

Did they consider you "coloured"?

FROGGER

[Dave Smith]

Post by dsi1

Post by Bruce

Post by Leonard Blaisdell
That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My
.270 rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any
other grain size. That's all I know about grains.

Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

In the US it is all about making a buck. Take liquor for instance.
Change from quart to liter and make some bucks. Change from yard to
meter and no buck to be made.

When I was in the UK, I was doing the posted speed limit of 70. I
figured it was in kilometers/hour. That comes out to around 45 miles
per hour in American. It took me several miles to figure out my
speedometer was calibrated in MPH and I was doing over 112 km/h. The
Brits haven't converted totally. I guess they're keeping a part of it
just in case they were wrong.

??? If it was mph and you were doing 70 that would have been close to
112kph.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:10:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Post by dsi1

Post by Thomas

Post by Bruce
On 21 Nov 2021 23:33:54 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My .270
rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any other grain
size. That's all I know about grains.

Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

In the US it is all about making a buck.
Take liquor for instance. Change from quart to liter and make some bucks.
Change from yard to meter and no buck to be made.

When I was in the UK, I was doing the posted speed limit of 70. I figured it was in kilometers/hour. That comes out to around 45 miles per hour in American. It took me several miles to figure out my speedometer was calibrated in MPH and I was doing over 112 km/h. The Brits haven't converted totally. I guess they're keeping a part of it just in case they were wrong.

I can just see you race through quaint, peaceful hamlets in the
English countryside.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Thomas

Post by Bruce
On 21 Nov 2021 23:33:54 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My .270
rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any other grain
size. That's all I know about grains.

Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

In the US it is all about making a buck.
Take liquor for instance. Change from quart to liter and make some bucks.
Change from yard to meter and no buck to be made.

In the U.S., a quart is slightly smaller than a liter.

Cindy Hamilton

[S Viemeister]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Thomas

Post by Bruce
On 21 Nov 2021 23:33:54 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Drams and grains are very specialized. There probably are more
people who use nanometers than grains in the U.S.

That depends upon whether you are familiar with ammunition. My .270
rifle shoots 130 grain bullets more accurately than any other grain
size. That's all I know about grains.

Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

In the US it is all about making a buck.
Take liquor for instance. Change from quart to liter and make some bucks.
Change from yard to meter and no buck to be made.

In the U.S., a quart is slightly smaller than a liter.

Indeed.
And in the UK, an Imperial quart is slightly larger than a litre.
But litres/liters are the same all over the world.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

Post by Bruce
Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

Not yet.

[Bruce]

On 22 Nov 2021 01:42:24 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Leonard Blaisdell

Post by Bruce
Is that what you use when you say Marxists on your property?

Not yet.

I admire your self-control.

[Jeßus]

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

...

Post by Jeßus
GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

You rang?
OK, so lets change quarts to liters, pizza to centimeters, feet to
meters, chickens to Gallus Domesticus, and slices to crumpets.
And that solves... what?

No more inconsistencies?

Post by Sqwertz
Who was tbe genius who insisted that 1 gram = 1 cubic CENTimeter = 1
MILLILITER of water, eh? A gram of water should be cubic meter and
a liter in volume - plain and simple when you base it water and base
words without any prefixes.

??????????

Post by Sqwertz
And distance? A "meter" was supposed to be exactly one millionth of
the distance from the north pole to the equator. Oops! No two
points on the equator are equidistance from the mathematical north
pole. We all should know by now that earth isn't flat (do we have
any Flat Earthers here? Speak up!). But we also knew even back in he
1700's that the earth wasn't round, either. But "YOU PEOPLE" went
ahead and based on some dynamic length anyway. Idjits.

?????????????????

Post by Sqwertz
There wasn't anything to base metric distances on back then, nor is
there today. You know how WE solved it?
A yardstick. Duh!
You can get them for free at most hardware stores here in the U.S.
(with additional $20 purchase). You can get them on Amazon, too,
probably.
Give up yet? You want some more of my undeniable logic and words of
random wisdom, just say the word - or any word! ;-)

Yeah. I do give up.

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Jeßus
Did they swing their colostomy bags on stage?

They bring in at least $10 million every day of their tours for the
last 30 years. That buys whole new anuses, rectums, colons, and
large intestines for the whole band. They swing the old ones around
instead of colostomy bags.

As long as they're happy doing what they're doing, I guess. It can't
be because they need the money.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).
Otherwise ......
https://postimg.cc/QHjq48Lz
The manual says to leave 2 inches of headspace at the top and 1" on
all other sides for proper circulation of hot air. And lookie
there, there's maybe room for about one more quart in front of that
gallon (I have to raise them both an inch from bottom).
So my 13 quart air fryer really only holds 5 quarts, not 13.
Fuckers.

GOD... why can't you people just use the metric system?
It just makes it so simple.

Apparently some people are adamantly opposed to changing from an old and
complicated system of measurement that they only know about a quarter of
than to switch to one that is a lot easier and which makes a lot more
sense.


We have a problem with trucks striking low bridges. We have been
officially metric for more than 40 years. All speed limits and height
and width limits have been metric since we switch. Truck drivers seem
to be especially reluctant to make the change. The maximum allowable
height for a truck is 4.15 m. There are some places where overpasses,
usually railway bridges are only 3.85. Instead of measuring their
trucks and seeing that it is more than 3.85 and therefore will not make
it through, these jackasses insist on using an Imperial measuring tape
and converting it. Needless to say, the twits who are two dense to
simply use a metric tape are not very good at calculating the metric
conversion. There is a town a little east of Toronto where a transport
truck rips its top off trying to squeeze through a 3.85 m bridge that
was lower than a trailer, and there had been a similar incident at the
same spot about 2 weeks earlier.

Post by Jeßus

Post by Sqwertz
(**) I've got a sore throat, laryngitis,and can't hear (Stones
concert earlier tonight).

Did they swing their colostomy bags on stage?

It's amazing how some of those rock stars was still at it 60 years later.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Dave Smith
We have a problem with trucks striking low bridges. We have been
officially metric for more than 40 years. All speed limits and height
and width limits have been metric since we switch. Truck drivers seem
to be especially reluctant to make the change. The maximum allowable
height for a truck is 4.15 m. There are some places where overpasses,
usually railway bridges are only 3.85. Instead of measuring their
trucks and seeing that it is more than 3.85 and therefore will not make
it through, these jackasses insist on using an Imperial measuring tape
and converting it. Needless to say, the twits who are two dense to
simply use a metric tape are not very good at calculating the metric
conversion. There is a town a little east of Toronto where a transport
truck rips its top off trying to squeeze through a 3.85 m bridge that
was lower than a trailer, and there had been a similar incident at the
same spot about 2 weeks earlier.

Eh. Everything's marked in feet and inches here. We have an overpass
that is struck by a truck it seems like every few months. Can't blame
that on conversion error.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Dave Smith
We have a problem with trucks striking low bridges. We have been
officially metric for more than 40 years. All speed limits and height
and width limits have been metric since we switch. Truck drivers seem
to be especially reluctant to make the change. The maximum allowable
height for a truck is 4.15 m. There are some places where overpasses,
usually railway bridges are only 3.85. Instead of measuring their
trucks and seeing that it is more than 3.85 and therefore will not make
it through, these jackasses insist on using an Imperial measuring tape
and converting it. Needless to say, the twits who are two dense to
simply use a metric tape are not very good at calculating the metric
conversion. There is a town a little east of Toronto where a transport
truck rips its top off trying to squeeze through a 3.85 m bridge that
was lower than a trailer, and there had been a similar incident at the
same spot about 2 weeks earlier.

Eh. Everything's marked in feet and inches here. We have an overpass
that is struck by a truck it seems like every few months. Can't blame
that on conversion error.
Cindy Hamilton

There was a 12'9" bridge by where I worked. It provided much
entertainment.

[Dave Smith]

Eh.  Everything's marked in feet and inches here.  We have an overpass
that is struck by a truck it seems like every few months.  Can't blame
that on conversion error.
Cindy Hamilton

There was a 12'9" bridge by where I worked.  It provided much
entertainment.

When I read about someone hitting a bridge at a particular bridge I get
on to Google Maps and check out the approaches on both sides of the
bridge. Every one of them has been well marked.

[Graham]

Post by Dave Smith

Eh.  Everything's marked in feet and inches here.  We have an overpass
that is struck by a truck it seems like every few months.  Can't blame
that on conversion error.
Cindy Hamilton

There was a 12'9" bridge by where I worked.  It provided much
entertainment.

When I read about someone hitting a bridge at a particular bridge I get
on to Google Maps and check out the approaches on both sides of the
bridge. Every one of them has been well marked.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/traffic/needham-market-bridge-most-bashed-in-britain-8492730

http://tiny.cc/gerluz

I've driven under this bridge many times - but always in a car:-) It's
abot 13km/8miles from where I was raised.

[Dave Smith]

Post by Graham

Post by Dave Smith
When I read about someone hitting a bridge at a particular bridge I
get on to Google Maps and check out the approaches on both sides of
the bridge. Every one of them has been well marked.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/traffic/needham-market-bridge-most-bashed-in-britain-8492730
http://tiny.cc/gerluz
I've driven under this bridge many times - but always in a car:-) It's
abot 13km/8miles from where I was raised.

That warning sign appears to be in pretty good shape. Is that because it
has never been hit or because it has been recently replaced?

[Graham]

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Graham

Post by Dave Smith
When I read about someone hitting a bridge at a particular bridge I
get on to Google Maps and check out the approaches on both sides of
the bridge. Every one of them has been well marked.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/traffic/needham-market-bridge-most-bashed-in-britain-8492730
http://tiny.cc/gerluz
I've driven under this bridge many times - but always in a car:-) It's
abot 13km/8miles from where I was raised.

That warning sign appears to be in pretty good shape. Is that because it
has never been hit or because it has been recently replaced?

I think one of them has to be replaced every time. Remember, it's a
2-way road.

[Bruce]

Post by Graham

Post by Dave Smith

Post by Graham

Post by Dave Smith
When I read about someone hitting a bridge at a particular bridge I
get on to Google Maps and check out the approaches on both sides of
the bridge. Every one of them has been well marked.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/traffic/needham-market-bridge-most-bashed-in-britain-8492730
http://tiny.cc/gerluz
I've driven under this bridge many times - but always in a car:-) It's
abot 13km/8miles from where I was raised.

That warning sign appears to be in pretty good shape. Is that because it
has never been hit or because it has been recently replaced?

I think one of them has to be replaced every time. Remember, it's a
2-way road.

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Apparently, Hawaiians are more interested in survival than Washington Democrats.

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This diverse, impressive Republican team swept Virginia and carried with it a new Republican majority in the legislature. For Pelosi and the Democrats, this was earthquake No. 1.

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On Nov. 7, the Suffolk University/USA Today poll showed an 8% generic advantage for Republicans (46-38) in congressional voting and 38% approval for President Biden. On Nov. 11, the ABC News/Washington Post poll showed a 10% Republican generic advantage (51-41). On Nov. 16, Rasmussen reported a 13-point generic gap (51-38).

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[Dave Smith]

Post by Graham

Post by Dave Smith
That warning sign appears to be in pretty good shape. Is that because
it has never been hit or because it has been recently replaced?

I think one of them has to be replaced every time. Remember, it's a
2-way road.

Even auditory alerts seem not to be effective. The most recent on on
Port Hope, the second in two weeks at the same location, saw the entire
top rail of the 48ft trailer stripped off. One might have expected that
as soon as the driver heard it hit he would have stopped, but now, he
kept going.

[Sqwertz]

Post by Graham
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/traffic/needham-market-bridge-most-bashed-in-britain-8492730
http://tiny.cc/gerluz
I've driven under this bridge many times - but always in a car:-) It's
abot 13km/8miles from where I was raised.

So it's been like that for 50+ years..... 50 years * 55,000 USD$ in
(and that's only the cost in "delays and cancellations" - not
including repairs) is $2.75 million.

Yeah, its bound to fix itself any year now...

And somebody started this sub-thread implying Americans were stupid.

-sw

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 09:47:52 -0500, Dave Smith

Post by Dave Smith
We have a problem with trucks striking low bridges. We have been
officially metric for more than 40 years. All speed limits and height
and width limits have been metric since we switch. Truck drivers seem
to be especially reluctant to make the change. The maximum allowable
height for a truck is 4.15 m. There are some places where overpasses,
usually railway bridges are only 3.85. Instead of measuring their
trucks and seeing that it is more than 3.85 and therefore will not make
it through, these jackasses insist on using an Imperial measuring tape
and converting it. Needless to say, the twits who are two dense to
simply use a metric tape are not very good at calculating the metric
conversion. There is a town a little east of Toronto where a transport
truck rips its top off trying to squeeze through a 3.85 m bridge that
was lower than a trailer, and there had been a similar incident at the
same spot about 2 weeks earlier.

It seems to be a worldwide phenomenon.

[Mike Duffy]

(*) What is a cuboid? It's a 3-dimensional object with exactly 24 edges
that are each 90-degrees and each projected edge forms the border
between two more edges of same. Duh! You'll need Tinker toys to figure
thsioen out....

The proper term for this is 'rectangular prism'.

[Sqwertz]

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,

Because they need to fit into an opening of a particular size.

You again?

No duh. But they don't measure the inside volume only the width.

I'm not even going to read the rest since you're in a bad mood of
some sort. Maybe later.

-sw

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,

Because they need to fit into an opening of a particular size.

You again?
No duh. But they don't measure the inside volume only the width.

Amazingly, if I google "GE Profile oven capacity", I get "5.0 cubic feet"
as the answer.

Somebody measured the inside volume. I'd bet a quarter that it isn't
actually "5.0 cubic feet", though.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sqwertz]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,

Because they need to fit into an opening of a particular size.

You again?
No duh. But they don't measure the inside volume only the width.

Amazingly, if I google "GE Profile oven capacity", I get "5.0 cubic feet"
as the answer.

And also "AMAZINGLY" when I look at their products on the GE
Website, not a single one mentions the capacity in the main
description.

https://www.geappliances.com/appliance/GE-Profile-30-Free-Standing-Gas-Convection-Range-PGB911SEJSS

You have to dig for those.

Yet with an air fryer or a microwave oevn, the volume is almost
always stated in the product name AND in the google hit results.

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Somebody measured the inside volume. I'd bet a quarter that it isn't
actually "5.0 cubic feet", though.

Oh, so you HAVE the oven and even you don't know the volume of it?
I think you just proved my point, thank you.

You're being am argumentative pipsqueak over a post that was just
tongue-in-cheek irony and sarcasm. Just like Bruce. Expect a lot
more <yawn>'s from me in the near future if you keep that up.

-sw

[Bruce]

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,

Because they need to fit into an opening of a particular size.

You again?
No duh. But they don't measure the inside volume only the width.

Amazingly, if I google "GE Profile oven capacity", I get "5.0 cubic feet"
as the answer.

And also "AMAZINGLY" when I look at their products on the GE
Website, not a single one mentions the capacity in the main
description.
https://www.geappliances.com/appliance/GE-Profile-30-Free-Standing-Gas-Convection-Range-PGB911SEJSS
You have to dig for those.
Yet with an air fryer or a microwave oevn, the volume is almost
always stated in the product name AND in the google hit results.

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Somebody measured the inside volume. I'd bet a quarter that it isn't
actually "5.0 cubic feet", though.

Oh, so you HAVE the oven and even you don't know the volume of it?
I think you just proved my point, thank you.
You're being am argumentative pipsqueak over a post that was just
tongue-in-cheek irony and sarcasm. Just like Bruce. Expect a lot
more <yawn>'s from me in the near future if you keep that up.

Me? An argumentative pipsqueak? Well, at least it's a new one.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Sqwertz

Somebody measured the inside volume. I'd bet a quarter that it isn't
actually "5.0 cubic feet", though.

Oh, so you HAVE the oven and even you don't know the volume of it?

Why should I? It will fit anything I'm likely to cook. It's not as if
I'm going to try to cram a 200-pound pig into it.

Post by Sqwertz
I think you just proved my point, thank you.

5.0 is suspiciously round and suspiciously precise.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 03:18:27 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,

Because they need to fit into an opening of a particular size.

Post by Sqwertz
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet,

So you will know approximately how much stuff they'll hold. You
still have to have the exterior measurements to know whether
they'll fit between your cabinets, below your cabinets, or in
the case of a microwave, into whatever space you've allocated for it.

Post by Sqwertz
toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza,

Because that's what most people put into a toaster oven.

Post by Sqwertz
and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?

Because air fryers are nowhere near one cubic foot.
Because people want to know whether a chicken (or two)
will fit inside.

Post by Sqwertz
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?

Are they? I've never looked.

Post by Sqwertz
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?

Americans. Largely innumerate.

Post by Sqwertz
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

Good luck with that.

He always rambles when he's drunk.

[Sqwertz]

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,

Because they need to fit into an opening of a particular size.

Post by Sqwertz
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet,

So you will know approximately how much stuff they'll hold. You
still have to have the exterior measurements to know whether
they'll fit between your cabinets, below your cabinets, or in
the case of a microwave, into whatever space you've allocated for it.

Post by Sqwertz
toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza,

Because that's what most people put into a toaster oven.

Post by Sqwertz
and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?

Because air fryers are nowhere near one cubic foot.
Because people want to know whether a chicken (or two)
will fit inside.

Post by Sqwertz
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?

Are they? I've never looked.

Post by Sqwertz
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!
Because we're dumb? And who is "we"... "them"?

Americans. Largely innumerate.

Post by Sqwertz
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).

Good luck with that.
Cindy Hamilton

I not gogin to point out what's wrong with all your statements. I
think you're taking lessons from Bruce. Is she on vacation and
maybe you're feeling lonely?

-sw

[Bruce]

Post by Sqwertz

Good luck with that.
Cindy Hamilton

I not gogin to point out what's wrong with all your statements. I
think you're taking lessons from Bruce. Is she on vacation and
maybe you're feeling lonely?

Sqwertz can't handle when someone disagrees with him. Y'all are going
on about Bryan and/or John being narcissists but y'all are forgetting
about the narcissistic elephant in the room.

[Michael Trew]

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?
And why quarts and not gallons since 99% of them over 4 quarts?
Because 13 quarts sounds bigger than 3.25 gallons? Oh yeah? I'm
gonna market mine in PINTS, fuckers!

LOL

Post by Sqwertz
Cubic FEET PLEASE! And LxWxH the largest cuboid(*) that will fit in
the space unobstructed by any projections from the sides and within
the recommended standard of usage specified by the manufacturer(**).
Otherwise ......
https://postimg.cc/QHjq48Lz
The manual says to leave 2 inches of headspace at the top and 1" on
all other sides for proper circulation of hot air. And lookie
there, there's maybe room for about one more quart in front of that
gallon (I have to raise them both an inch from bottom).
So my 13 quart air fryer really only holds 5 quarts, not 13.
Fuckers.

Taking lessons from John? You forgot the caps lock key and the
exclamation point "!" ;)

Post by Sqwertz
-sw

[Michael Trew]

Post by Sqwertz
Why are kitchen drop-in or in-wall ovens measures in linear feet,
microwave ovens an refrigerators in cubic feet, toaster ovens in
bread slices and inches of frozen pizza, and air fryers and air
frying toaster ovens in quarts and "whole chickens"?

I just remembered this, and although I'm not a proponent of the Metric
system, I thought it was funny as heck...

https://postimg.cc/GHh5F1Z4

"Roughly the size of 6-7 washing machines"... LOL 'MURICA!