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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-27 16:49:07 UTC
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Lately, everytime I come into to this newsgroup expecting to read some
valuable information, I see these threads and posts about Dr. Chung
and his christian beliefs.
But not enough of them. So you started a new one to address the problem.
Thanks a heap.
Truth:

Those who are really bothered by off-topic posts will complain uniformly
about *all* such posts.

Such individuals are rare because they soon depart after a few days of
Usenet with the realization that their complaining is useless.

Those who remain *use* the complaint of "off-topic" posting and
cross-posting in a futile attempt to censor and suppress viewpoints they
dislike.

You appear to belong to this latter group, Jim.

Erin, you are free to post your opinion here on SMC anytime. I certainly
will not stop you but would encourage you just as I would encourage Jim,
George, Carey, Frank (listener), Hawki, and even Bob to continue posting as
their heart desires.
--
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You remain in my prayers, Jim whom I love, in Christ's name.


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Andrew

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n***@watcher.com
2004-10-27 16:24:36 UTC
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Once again a. chung has taken an off topic single group posting and
crossposted it to severl groups for which it is not obviously related
to their content. As per prediction, this behavior is in response for
having been repeatily brought up short for this behavior and the
retribution he brings to bear to show who is in control. He says he
does not crosspost, he does. He says he will stop if asked, he did not
recently. He seeks by deceptive methods of rhetoric to misdirect
attention away from his behavior. He offers lame excuses in place of
an appology or sincere explanation. Considering all of these
contridictions of word and deed, what does this make him?
Naomi Darvell
2004-10-27 17:20:48 UTC
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x-no-archive: yes

Has anyone tried reporting this Chung figure to his ISP for abuse?




Naomi D.
cc2.0
2004-10-28 16:40:42 UTC
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I know what you're getting at. But your comments are like water off a duck's
back... it'll just roll off
Post by n***@watcher.com
Once again a. chung has taken an off topic single group posting and
crossposted it to severl groups for which it is not obviously related
to their content. As per prediction, this behavior is in response for
having been repeatily brought up short for this behavior and the
retribution he brings to bear to show who is in control. He says he
does not crosspost, he does. He says he will stop if asked, he did not
recently. He seeks by deceptive methods of rhetoric to misdirect
attention away from his behavior. He offers lame excuses in place of
an appology or sincere explanation. Considering all of these
contridictions of word and deed, what does this make him?
Bob (this one)
2004-10-27 17:49:48 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Erin, you are free to post your opinion here on SMC anytime. I certainly
will not stop you but would encourage you just as I would encourage Jim,
George, Carey, Frank (listener), Hawki, and even Bob to continue posting as
their heart desires.
Bwah...

Chung gives permission. <LOL> Won't stop her...

Encourages the bullshit spotters who regularly skewer the quack for
his aberrant madness. Encourages, he does by his insane rants, smarmy
snide swipes and sewer-rat rationalizations. Encourages... <LOLOLOLOL>

<wipes tears of mirth from eyes> Whadda guy...

Powerless, toothless paper lion Chung grants passage to others. Could
he be more ridiculous...?

Bob
listener
2004-10-27 19:06:03 UTC
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Post by Bob (this one)
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Erin, you are free to post your opinion here on SMC anytime. I
certainly will not stop you but would encourage you just as I would
encourage Jim, George, Carey, Frank (listener), Hawki, and even Bob
to continue posting as their heart desires.
Bwah...
Chung gives permission. <LOL> Won't stop her...
Encourages the bullshit spotters who regularly skewer the quack for
his aberrant madness. Encourages, he does by his insane rants, smarmy
snide swipes and sewer-rat rationalizations. Encourages... <LOLOLOLOL>
<wipes tears of mirth from eyes> Whadda guy...
Powerless, toothless paper lion Chung grants passage to others. Could
he be more ridiculous...?
Bob
I see Dr. Chung is still referring to me as "Frank"! What a hoot. This guy
is a real mental case.

L.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-27 20:00:32 UTC
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Post by listener
Post by Bob (this one)
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Erin, you are free to post your opinion here on SMC anytime. I
certainly will not stop you but would encourage you just as I would
encourage Jim, George, Carey, Frank (listener), Hawki, and even Bob
to continue posting as their heart desires.
Bwah...
Chung gives permission. <LOL> Won't stop her...
Encourages the bullshit spotters who regularly skewer the quack for
his aberrant madness. Encourages, he does by his insane rants, smarmy
snide swipes and sewer-rat rationalizations. Encourages... <LOLOLOLOL>
<wipes tears of mirth from eyes> Whadda guy...
Powerless, toothless paper lion Chung grants passage to others. Could
he be more ridiculous...?
Bob
I see Dr. Chung is still referring to me as "Frank"! What a hoot. This guy
is a real mental case.
Go ahead and prove your name is not Frank. Would be more than happy to stand
corrected if you do.
Post by listener
L.
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-27 21:35:02 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Go ahead and prove your name is not Frank. Would be more than happy to stand
corrected if you do.
Andrew
How about going ahead and proving that you are practicing doctor?
http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp

You may call the governor's office to confirm that the Governor Perdue did meet
with this practicing doctor.

Your turn.

You remain in my prayers, dear Frank whom I love, in Christ's name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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Carey Gregory
2004-10-27 20:12:39 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Those who are really bothered by off-topic posts will complain uniformly
about *all* such posts.
Rubbish. Volume matters. Complaining about every off-topic post would
generate more noise than the off-topic posts themselves since most are
one-time shots and are best ignored. Yours, however, number in the
thousands. They are chronic and habitual. In fact, you seem to relish it.
Your behavior is abusive and unacceptable by any standard of netiquette.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Such individuals are rare because they soon depart after a few days of
Usenet with the realization that their complaining is useless.
In other words, you ignore them, continue your abusive posting, and they get
disgusted and leave. How proud you must be to know you drive people away.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Those who remain *use* the complaint of "off-topic" posting and
cross-posting in a futile attempt to censor and suppress viewpoints they
dislike.
Rubbish. Off-topic is off-topic. Your posts are abusive regardless of what
your viewpoints are. Few people even bother reading what you write anymore,
so your viewpoints are largely irrelevant. I read you only sporadically,
and many days have considered just killfiling you along with your nasty
little sock puppet Mu.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Erin, you are free to post your opinion here on SMC anytime. I certainly
will not stop you but would encourage you just as I would encourage Jim,
George, Carey, Frank (listener), Hawki, and even Bob to continue posting as
their heart desires.
Giving her permission to post, are you? And you're not even going to stop
her? My, you must be feeling especially benevolent today.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-27 21:34:53 UTC
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Carey..... andies RIP page and his 'FAQ' must be growing every day
in every way
In truth, it has shrunk. Don't you remember when you were listed on the RIP
page?
remember when replying to him got you put on a web page as being
someone who was 'cyberstalking' Chung.......
In truth, Carey has not ever been listed on the RIP page.

Is it your claim that he has?
or Bob's Defamation
section
Nor there either.
andie has totally lost it........
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
and i doubt anyone can help him at this
point because of his refusal for help
God helps me all the time :-)
now watch this become an 'anti=christian' post according to andie
Actually, this post illustrates your inability to tell the truth.
poor sad sick little little boy........ who is now known by most police
forces
as an internet kook!
Do you believe Governor Perdue would meet with an internet kook?

http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp

Didn't think so.
what do you say???????
Try being truthful, Kate, you might like it.
i guess you counter the bullshit that andie posts regularly..... only
thing you can do
Using bovine excrement to counter the truth won't win you many friends.
kate
Calgary, Alberta, Canda.
You remain in my prayers, dear Kate whom I love.

Please consider the following to save yourself:

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-27 21:35:08 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Those who are really bothered by off-topic posts will complain uniformly
about *all* such posts.
Rubbish. Volume matters. Complaining about every off-topic post would
generate more noise than the off-topic posts themselves since most are
one-time shots and are best ignored. Yours, however, number in the
thousands. They are chronic and habitual. In fact, you seem to relish it.
Your behavior is abusive and unacceptable by any standard of netiquette.
Is it your claim that I am the OP of this thread (or most other threads in
question)?

Didn't think so.

You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Carey Gregory
2004-10-28 01:59:21 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Rubbish. Volume matters. Complaining about every off-topic post would
generate more noise than the off-topic posts themselves since most are
one-time shots and are best ignored. Yours, however, number in the
thousands. They are chronic and habitual. In fact, you seem to relish it.
Your behavior is abusive and unacceptable by any standard of netiquette.
Is it your claim that I am the OP of this thread (or most other threads in
question)?
Andrew, when you find yourself the subject of many posts objecting to your
behavior, you really ought to step back and ask yourself why they feel the
way they do. If it were just one or two then maybe they're just hotheads,
trolls, or - as you routinely suggest - anti-Christian bigots. But if they
are many, and they span a wide spectrum of personalities, opinions, and
religious beliefs, then I think you really need to ask yourself what it is
you're doing that generates so much animosity -- and why.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-28 06:48:10 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Rubbish. Volume matters. Complaining about every off-topic post would
generate more noise than the off-topic posts themselves since most are
one-time shots and are best ignored. Yours, however, number in the
thousands. They are chronic and habitual. In fact, you seem to relish it.
Your behavior is abusive and unacceptable by any standard of netiquette.
Is it your claim that I am the OP of this thread (or most other threads in
question)?
Andrew, when you find yourself the subject of many posts objecting to your
behavior, you really ought to step back and ask yourself why they feel the
way they do.
Carey, I have been walking with Christ for more than two decades and have learned
much from Him. He did not ask me to become openly Christian until *after* He had
taught me what to expect and had given me His armor. I do not and will not regret
obeying Him.
Post by Carey Gregory
If it were just one or two then maybe they're just hotheads,
trolls, or - as you routinely suggest - anti-Christian bigots. But if they
are many, and they span a wide spectrum of personalities, opinions, and
religious beliefs, then I think you really need to ask yourself what it is
you're doing that generates so much animosity -- and why.
Actually, what I discern is that there have been *no* real Christians among those
who claim to be offended by my being openly Christian. For example, Liam once
wrote that he was Christian only to later reveal that he was not.

I welcome anyone to come forward truthfully (no pseudonym) publicly professing
they are Christian (http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129) *and* offended by my
being openly Christian.

Meanwhile, you remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love, in Christ's name.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Carey Gregory
2004-10-28 07:14:03 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, what I discern is that there have been *no* real Christians among those
who claim to be offended by my being openly Christian.
No one has made that claim.
Carey Gregory
2004-10-29 00:41:32 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Carey, I have been walking with Christ for more than two decades and have learned
much from Him. He did not ask me to become openly Christian until *after* He had
taught me what to expect and had given me His armor. I do not and will not regret
obeying Him.
Being openly Christian and abusing newsgroups are two different things.
Indeed, they are polar opposites. If everyone who is openly Christian did
what you do, usenet would quickly descend into total chaos. Add the openly
Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, etc, and it would happen almost overnight.

Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others. He did *not* teach abuse of
cooperative systems. He did *not* teach rudeness and bad manners. You are,
without a doubt, one of the worst examples of a Christian I have ever met.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, what I discern is that there have been *no* real Christians among those
who claim to be offended by my being openly Christian.
I'm afraid there have been. There are. And they don't claim to be
offended, they *are* offended. The fact that you think you can determine
who is a "real" Christian and who is not pretty much says it all. The fact
that you say things like "claim to be offended" says even more. It speaks
to your arrogance, your pomposity, and your delusions of grandeur.
Tiger Lily
2004-10-29 11:40:58 UTC
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well stated
a short synapses of the dichotomy of Chung's delusions

"Carey Gregory" <> wrote in message .com...
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Carey, I have been walking with Christ for more than two decades and have learned
much from Him. He did not ask me to become openly Christian until *after* He had
taught me what to expect and had given me His armor. I do not and will not regret
obeying Him.
Being openly Christian and abusing newsgroups are two different things.
Indeed, they are polar opposites. If everyone who is openly Christian did
what you do, usenet would quickly descend into total chaos. Add the openly
Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, etc, and it would happen almost overnight.
Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others. He did *not* teach abuse of
cooperative systems. He did *not* teach rudeness and bad manners. You are,
without a doubt, one of the worst examples of a Christian I have ever met.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, what I discern is that there have been *no* real Christians among those
who claim to be offended by my being openly Christian.
I'm afraid there have been. There are. And they don't claim to be
offended, they *are* offended. The fact that you think you can determine
who is a "real" Christian and who is not pretty much says it all. The fact
that you say things like "claim to be offended" says even more. It speaks
to your arrogance, your pomposity, and your delusions of grandeur.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-29 14:35:03 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Carey, I have been walking with Christ for more than two decades and have learned
much from Him. He did not ask me to become openly Christian until *after* He had
taught me what to expect and had given me His armor. I do not and will not regret
obeying Him.
Being openly Christian and abusing newsgroups are two different things.
Correct.
Post by Carey Gregory
Indeed, they are polar opposites.
Actually, they are apples and oranges. Completely unrelated.
Post by Carey Gregory
If everyone who is openly Christian did
what you do, usenet would quickly descend into total chaos.
Usenet is chaos.
Post by Carey Gregory
Add the openly
Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, etc, and it would happen almost overnight.
You may openly profess your faith and see if indeed that happens.
Post by Carey Gregory
Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
Actually, He did teach tolerance.
Post by Carey Gregory
He did *not* teach abuse of
cooperative systems.
Posting (or even cross-posting) on Usenet is *not* an abuse of Usenet. Quite the
opposite. Without these, there would be no Usenet.

Truth is simple.
Post by Carey Gregory
He did *not* teach rudeness and bad manners.
Correct.
Post by Carey Gregory
You are,
without a doubt, one of the worst examples of a Christian I have ever met.
Your judgment.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, what I discern is that there have been *no* real Christians among those
who claim to be offended by my being openly Christian.
I'm afraid there have been.
Who?
Post by Carey Gregory
There are.
Where?
Post by Carey Gregory
And they don't claim to be
offended, they *are* offended. The fact that you think you can determine
who is a "real" Christian and who is not pretty much says it all.
I am able to discern the truth. All praises to my heavenly Father, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Post by Carey Gregory
The fact
that you say things like "claim to be offended" says even more. It speaks
to your arrogance, your pomposity, and your delusions of grandeur.
More judgment.

You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love, in Christ's name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-29 17:29:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: Dr. Chung posts
Date: 10/29/2004 7:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time
He did *not* teach abuse of
Post by Carey Gregory
cooperative systems.
Posting (or even cross-posting) on Usenet is *not* an abuse of Usenet.
it is when said groups ask you repeatedly to leave them alone..
In truth, I have not received any requests from any owners of any Usenet newsgroups
to stop posting/cross-posting.
they don't want
you..they don't want your pontificating..
It is unlikely you have been appointed to speak for these owners.
what part of "get lost" don't you call "abuse?"
None of it. Sorry you feel abused by my being openly Christian.
You are,
Post by Carey Gregory
without a doubt, one of the worst examples of a Christian I have ever met.
Your judgment.
no...
The pronoun "I" speaks more truthfully than you.
many many...if not most...have this judgment of you..
They would still be judgments one and all.
I am able to discern the truth.
that alone is the crux of the matter...YOU claim to "discern the truth"...
Just as I am able to see...

and to hear...
as if
you were some higher power that all others should/must defer to...
No. Whom I serve would be the higher power that ultimately you *will* defer to.

It is written that *every* knee will bend and *every* head will bow in recognizing
that Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords.
most think you are a crock...an arrogant sob...and totally unprofessional
More judgment.
and to think that you have PATIENTS????
I know what I know. Sorry.
or so you say...with the amount of time you spent on your computer your
practice must be quite small...
I can spare a few seconds every day :-)
if you have one at all....
Keep guessing :-)
Post by Carey Gregory
to your arrogance, your pomposity, and your delusions of grandeur.
More judgment.
and that of most here.....
More judgment.
personally I think you are mentally unbalanced...
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
VERY...
hawki.....
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Carey Gregory
2004-10-29 18:46:20 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
If everyone who is openly Christian did
what you do, usenet would quickly descend into total chaos.
Usenet is chaos.
No, it is not chaos. Millions of messages are posted daily all over the
world, and despite the fact that very few controls exist to prevent abuse,
the overwhelming majority of those messages are posted to an appropriate
newsgroup and *only* an appropriate newsgroup. Usenet is, indeed, a
stunning example of a purely cooperative system that works amazingly well.

Search google for netiquette+usenet and you'll find many guides to
appropriate usenet behavior. These are the self-imposed rules *almost*
everyone else follows to make it work. Unfortunately, it is true there will
always be a few who can't or won't follow those rules, and you have become
one of them.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Add the openly
Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, etc, and it would happen almost overnight.
You may openly profess your faith and see if indeed that happens.
What a shame. I remember when you were able to debate a subject with
intelligence and maturity....

None of these groups are about religion. My religious beliefs are off-topic
and irrelevant here.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
Actually, He did teach tolerance.
I repeat: Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Posting (or even cross-posting) on Usenet is *not* an abuse of Usenet. Quite the
opposite. Without these, there would be no Usenet.
What an utterly meaningless statement. Have you reverted to childhood?
Posting off-topic and cross-posting inappropriately *are* abuse, both of
which you do with great frequency.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
He did *not* teach rudeness and bad manners.
Correct.
Then, if you are a Christian as you claim, it would behoove you to follow
his teachings and quit being a rude, abusive jackass.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
You are,
without a doubt, one of the worst examples of a Christian I have ever met.
Your judgment.
Quite true. And here's another judgment: I looked back at your posts over
the years, and I have to wonder what happened to the knowledgeable,
friendly, polite doctor who used to post under the name Andrew Chung. You
were killfiled by no one, but now you're killfiled by many, possibly even
most. You've degenerated into nothing but just another two-bit usenet
troll and general annoyance.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
I'm afraid there have been.
Who?
Your memory is conveniently short and selective.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
And they don't claim to be
offended, they *are* offended. The fact that you think you can determine
who is a "real" Christian and who is not pretty much says it all.
I am able to discern the truth.
Then that makes you supernatural - or insane.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
The fact
that you say things like "claim to be offended" says even more. It speaks
to your arrogance, your pomposity, and your delusions of grandeur.
More judgment.
I think I'll get little disagreement.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-29 21:41:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: Dr. Chung posts
Date: 10/29/2004 11:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Post by Carey Gregory
The fact
Post by Carey Gregory
that you say things like "claim to be offended" says even more. It speaks
to your arrogance, your pomposity, and your delusions of grandeur.
More judgment.
I think I'll get little disagreement.
thanks Carey...well written and ohhhh so true
As if you could discern the truth in someone who feigns a strong belief that Mu is
my sock puppet and yet balks at collecting the $10,000 for proving it :-)
hawki.....
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too
will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

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Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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2004-10-29 21:41:42 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
If everyone who is openly Christian did
what you do, usenet would quickly descend into total chaos.
Usenet is chaos.
No, it is not chaos.
Would suggest you turn off your filters and take off your rose-colored sunglasses :-)
Post by Carey Gregory
Millions of messages are posted daily all over the
world, and despite the fact that very few controls exist to prevent abuse,
the overwhelming majority of those messages are posted to an appropriate
newsgroup and *only* an appropriate newsgroup.
See above.
Post by Carey Gregory
Usenet is, indeed, a
stunning example of a purely cooperative system that works amazingly well.
Still is.
Post by Carey Gregory
Search google for netiquette+usenet and you'll find many guides to
appropriate usenet behavior. These are the self-imposed rules *almost*
everyone else follows to make it work. Unfortunately, it is true there will
always be a few who can't or won't follow those rules, and you have become
one of them.
Guides are not rules.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Add the openly
Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, etc, and it would happen almost overnight.
You may openly profess your faith and see if indeed that happens.
What a shame. I remember when you were able to debate a subject with
intelligence and maturity....
Sorry the truth bothers you.
Post by Carey Gregory
None of these groups are about religion. My religious beliefs are off-topic
and irrelevant here.
Not in this particular thread.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
Actually, He did teach tolerance.
I repeat: Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
What you call disregard is what I call tolerance.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Posting (or even cross-posting) on Usenet is *not* an abuse of Usenet. Quite the
opposite. Without these, there would be no Usenet.
What an utterly meaningless statement. Have you reverted to childhood?
Posting off-topic and cross-posting inappropriately *are* abuse,
Agree.
Post by Carey Gregory
both of
which you do with great frequency.
Your judgment.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
He did *not* teach rudeness and bad manners.
Correct.
Then, if you are a Christian as you claim,
I am.
Post by Carey Gregory
it would behoove you to follow
his teachings
I do.
Post by Carey Gregory
and quit being a rude, abusive jackass.
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
You are,
without a doubt, one of the worst examples of a Christian I have ever met.
Your judgment.
Quite true. And here's another judgment: I looked back at your posts over
the years, and I have to wonder what happened to the knowledgeable,
friendly, polite doctor who used to post under the name Andrew Chung.
Still here. Still the same person. Still friendly and polite :-)
Post by Carey Gregory
You
were killfiled by no one, but now you're killfiled by many, possibly even
most.
Many feign it.
Post by Carey Gregory
You've degenerated into nothing but just another two-bit usenet
troll and general annoyance.
Sorry you are annoyed by my choice to be openly Christian.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
I'm afraid there have been.
Who?
Your memory is conveniently short and selective.
You are welcome to correct that. Fwiw, Liam is not Christian though he once claimed
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
And they don't claim to be
offended, they *are* offended. The fact that you think you can determine
who is a "real" Christian and who is not pretty much says it all.
I am able to discern the truth.
Then that makes you supernatural - or insane.
Neither.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
The fact
that you say things like "claim to be offended" says even more. It speaks
to your arrogance, your pomposity, and your delusions of grandeur.
More judgment.
I think I'll get little disagreement.
Doesn't change the fact that your statement is your judgment.

You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love, in Christ's name.


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2004-10-30 01:01:31 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Usenet is chaos.
No, it is not chaos.
Would suggest you turn off your filters and take off your rose-colored sunglasses :-)
Would suggest you seek professional help and return to the intelligent,
reasonable person you used to be. Andrew Chung would not have tried to make
such a patently ridiculous, self-serving argument just a few years ago.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Usenet is, indeed, a
stunning example of a purely cooperative system that works amazingly well.
Still is.
<boggle> Chaos or a system that works well. Which is it? You know - or
used to know - that chaos is not a system, and certainly not one that be
described as working well.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Guides are not rules.
How easily and arrogantly you dismiss the common glue that holds society
together simply because it happens to suit you right now.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
What a shame. I remember when you were able to debate a subject with
intelligence and maturity....
Sorry the truth bothers you.
Yes, it's true that your inability to debate with intelligence and maturity
bothers me.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
None of these groups are about religion. My religious beliefs are off-topic
and irrelevant here.
Not in this particular thread.
Yes, they are irrelevant in this particular thread. They're also none of
your business. I hate to break this to you, but this is not the Inquisition
and you are not an Inquisitor.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
I repeat: Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
What you call disregard is what I call tolerance.
And I can call it a pink bunny rabbit, but that doesn't make it one.
Disregard for others is not tolerance. Check with your mother or your 3rd
grade teacher if you're confused on that point, which apparently you are.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
What an utterly meaningless statement. Have you reverted to childhood?
Posting off-topic and cross-posting inappropriately *are* abuse,
Agree.
Then why do you continue doing so?
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Then, if you are a Christian as you claim,
I am.
So you claim, but you're a rude, abusive one, which makes you a poor one.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
it would behoove you to follow
his teachings
I do.
So you claim, but we've seen no evidence of it in your behavior.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
and quit being a rude, abusive jackass.
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
Fine, you're an arrogant, pompous, rude jackass who needs professional help
to halt and reverse his declining mental state.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Still here. Still the same person. Still friendly and polite :-)
Quite the contrary. You're rude and abusive in the extreme.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
You
were killfiled by no one, but now you're killfiled by many, possibly even
most.
Many feign it.
And many more simply killfiled you without saying a word in public. I would
include in that list virtually every doctor who frequents sci.med.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
You've degenerated into nothing but just another two-bit usenet
troll and general annoyance.
Sorry you are annoyed by my choice to be openly Christian.
No, I'm annoyed by you turning into a two-bit troll and general annoyance.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
I'm afraid there have been.
Who?
Your memory is conveniently short and selective.
You are welcome to correct that. Fwiw, Liam is not Christian though he once claimed
Through arrogance and pomposity you miss the obvious, as usual. Has it ever
occurred to you that there are people who feel no need to proclaim their
religious beliefs in public? Has it ever occurred to you that some people
consider it a private matter between them and their God? You have no right
to know unless they choose to tell you, and you sure as hell have no right
(or *ability*) to determine what their religious beliefs are.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
I am able to discern the truth.
Then that makes you supernatural - or insane.
Neither.
Andrew, I hate to break this to you, but only an insane person would claim
to know the religious beliefs of those who choose not to tell him.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-30 11:25:57 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Usenet is chaos.
No, it is not chaos.
Would suggest you turn off your filters and take off your rose-colored sunglasses :-)
Would suggest you seek professional help and return to the intelligent,
reasonable person you used to be.
Seems I have struck a raw nerve.

Sorry the truth bothers you.
Post by Carey Gregory
Andrew Chung would not have tried to make
such a patently ridiculous, self-serving argument just a few years ago.
Neither my observation nor my suggestion to you were arguments.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Usenet is, indeed, a
stunning example of a purely cooperative system that works amazingly well.
Still is.
<boggle> Chaos or a system that works well. Which is it?
The world's atmosphere with it weather patterns and storm systems is
chaotic and yet works well.

Again, I would suggest you take a step back, take a deep breath, and
take off the sunglasses to look around.
Post by Carey Gregory
You know - or
used to know - that chaos is not a system, and certainly not one that be
described as working well.
What I know apparently you have chosen not to learn.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Guides are not rules.
How easily and arrogantly you dismiss the common glue that holds society
together simply because it happens to suit you right now.
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
What a shame. I remember when you were able to debate a subject with
intelligence and maturity....
Sorry the truth bothers you.
Yes, it's true that your inability to debate with intelligence and maturity
bothers me.
This comment illustrates a point to be made about your own maturity and
not mine :-)
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
None of these groups are about religion. My religious beliefs are off-topic
and irrelevant here.
Not in this particular thread.
Yes, they are irrelevant in this particular thread.
It comes up at your assertion that if everyone (including yourself) were
to express their religious beliefs that Usenet would cease to function.
Post by Carey Gregory
They're also none of
your business.
Correct. But they are relevant to your chosen line of argument.
Post by Carey Gregory
I hate to break this to you, but this is not the Inquisition
and you are not an Inquisitor.
Correct. You opened yourself to the question.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
I repeat: Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
What you call disregard is what I call tolerance.
And I can call it a pink bunny rabbit, but that doesn't make it one.
Disregard for others is not tolerance.
As Christ has taught me, I tolerate you by disregarding the insults you
hurl.
Post by Carey Gregory
Check with your mother or your 3rd
grade teacher if you're confused on that point, which apparently you are.
Would still suggest you take off your sunglasses.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
What an utterly meaningless statement. Have you reverted to childhood?
Posting off-topic and cross-posting inappropriately *are* abuse,
Agree.
Then why do you continue doing so?
With regards to this thread, discussions about posting on Usenet is not
off-topic for *any* Usenet newsgroup.

Truth is simple.

... and irrefutable.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Then, if you are a Christian as you claim,
I am.
So you claim,
and other Christians have publicly affirmed.
Post by Carey Gregory
but you're a rude, abusive one,
Sorry you find my openness rude and abusive.
Post by Carey Gregory
which makes you a poor one.
Christ teaches that a lamp should be left uncovered (even if there are
those in the dark who would object to the light).
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
it would behoove you to follow
his teachings
I do.
So you claim, but we've seen no evidence of it in your behavior.
Your objections are evidence.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
and quit being a rude, abusive jackass.
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
Fine, you're an arrogant, pompous, rude jackass who needs professional help
to halt and reverse his declining mental state.
Similar things were said of my Lord and Savior, Whom I serve.

Indeed, He warned me that I would be treated no differently from Him.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Still here. Still the same person. Still friendly and polite :-)
Quite the contrary. You're rude and abusive in the extreme.
There are others who would disagree and have done so publicly.

It does not surprise me that you would find the truth rude and abusive
toward you in the extreme.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
You
were killfiled by no one, but now you're killfiled by many, possibly even
most.
Many feign it.
And many more simply killfiled you without saying a word in public.
Unless you have God's gift of clairvoyance, you wouldn't know if they
had.

Are you now claiming you have this ability?
Post by Carey Gregory
I would
include in that list virtually every doctor who frequents sci.med.
Except Dr. Harris of course :-)
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
You've degenerated into nothing but just another two-bit usenet
troll and general annoyance.
Sorry you are annoyed by my choice to be openly Christian.
No, I'm annoyed by you turning into a two-bit troll and general annoyance.
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
I'm afraid there have been.
Who?
Your memory is conveniently short and selective.
You are welcome to correct that. Fwiw, Liam is not Christian though he once claimed
Through arrogance and pomposity you miss the obvious, as usual.
Still waiting for correction. Fyi, insults don't correct anything.
Post by Carey Gregory
Has it ever
occurred to you that there are people who feel no need to proclaim their
religious beliefs in public?
Those would be non-Christians.
Post by Carey Gregory
Has it ever occurred to you that some people
consider it a private matter between them and their God?
Those would be non-Christians.
Post by Carey Gregory
You have no right
to know unless they choose to tell you, and you sure as hell have no right
(or *ability*) to determine what their religious beliefs are.
Like it or not, being unable to publicly state whether one has accepted
Christ as ones personal Savior automatically reveals that one is not
Christian.

Truth is simple.

How to become a Christian?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

It really is not that difficult but you will need to be willing to go
public about your choice. It really is not anything to be ashamed
about.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
I am able to discern the truth.
Then that makes you supernatural - or insane.
Neither.
Andrew, I hate to break this to you, but only an insane person would claim
to know the religious beliefs of those who choose not to tell him.
A covered candle is an unlit one. That is plain for anyone to see.

Truth remains simple.


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Andrew

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2004-10-31 00:21:29 UTC
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Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism. It's mind boggling
that you would equate them, but at this point I guess I shouldn't be too
surprised.

You're a lost cause. Goodbye.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-31 03:00:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
Post by Carey Gregory
It's mind boggling
that you would equate them,
I did not. You did however.
Post by Carey Gregory
but at this point I guess I shouldn't be too
surprised.
Where there is ignorance there can be no surprise.
Post by Carey Gregory
You're a lost cause.
Only if I were without Christ.
Post by Carey Gregory
Goodbye.
Goodbye.

You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love, in Christ's name.


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Andrew

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JimLane
2004-10-31 04:43:48 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong. There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.

Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.

Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.


jim
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-31 11:35:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
Such is judgment by us imperfect beings.
Post by JimLane
There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.
Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.
Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
Post by JimLane
jim
You will be in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's name.

May He bless you on this Lord's day.

Simply consider the following decision tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.


One has to conclude that those (ie Carey, George, Frank, Hawki, Steve,
Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out their decision
logically.

May you make the right decision, someday, Jim :-)


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2004-11-01 03:53:40 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
Such is judgment by us imperfect beings.
And your judgment is being colored by your mission in life. Pity that
you offend more than you embrace.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.
Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.
Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on. Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose. When you offend, you lose.

Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect. From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.



jim

who is praying that you get a clue
GaryG
2004-11-01 05:07:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
Such is judgment by us imperfect beings.
And your judgment is being colored by your mission in life. Pity that
you offend more than you embrace.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.
Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.
Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on. Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose. When you offend, you lose.
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect. From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Very well put. Unfortunately, it's unlikely to have any impact whatsoever
on the indefatiguable Andy...he's quite unbalanced. He's been told that his
behavior is offensive in many different ways (nicely, harshly, rationally,
emotionally, etc., etc.). It makes absolutely no difference to him how many
people he offends. In offending others, he is (in his own mind) fulfilling
his "Christian" mission. The fact that he offends others is (to him) proof
that he is a "real Christian", and "persecuted" for his beliefs.

GG
Post by JimLane
jim
who is praying that you get a clue
JimLane
2004-11-01 07:02:39 UTC
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Post by GaryG
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on. Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose. When you offend, you lose.
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect. From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Very well put. Unfortunately, it's unlikely to have any impact whatsoever
on the indefatiguable Andy...he's quite unbalanced. He's been told that his
behavior is offensive in many different ways (nicely, harshly, rationally,
emotionally, etc., etc.). It makes absolutely no difference to him how many
people he offends. In offending others, he is (in his own mind) fulfilling
his "Christian" mission. The fact that he offends others is (to him) proof
that he is a "real Christian", and "persecuted" for his beliefs.
GG
Definitely delusional and not the apex of what one would consider a
Christian except of the lowest order.


jim
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-01 11:19:19 UTC
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Post by JimLane
snip
Post by GaryG
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on. Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose. When you offend, you lose.
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect. From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Very well put. Unfortunately, it's unlikely to have any impact whatsoever
on the indefatiguable Andy...he's quite unbalanced. He's been told that his
behavior is offensive in many different ways (nicely, harshly, rationally,
emotionally, etc., etc.). It makes absolutely no difference to him how many
people he offends. In offending others, he is (in his own mind) fulfilling
his "Christian" mission. The fact that he offends others is (to him) proof
that he is a "real Christian", and "persecuted" for his beliefs.
GG
Definitely delusional and not the apex of what one would consider a
Christian except of the lowest order.
A Christian of any order is infinitely more blessed than a
non-Christian.
Post by JimLane
jim
Simply consider the following decision tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.


One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Frank, Kate,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.

May you make the right decision, someday, Jim.

You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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2004-11-01 18:36:19 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
snip
Post by GaryG
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on. Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose. When you offend, you lose.
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect. From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Very well put. Unfortunately, it's unlikely to have any impact whatsoever
on the indefatiguable Andy...he's quite unbalanced. He's been told that his
behavior is offensive in many different ways (nicely, harshly, rationally,
emotionally, etc., etc.). It makes absolutely no difference to him how many
people he offends. In offending others, he is (in his own mind) fulfilling
his "Christian" mission. The fact that he offends others is (to him) proof
that he is a "real Christian", and "persecuted" for his beliefs.
GG
Definitely delusional and not the apex of what one would consider a
Christian except of the lowest order.
A Christian of any order is infinitely more blessed than a
non-Christian.
Hmmm, even though he is causing more harm than good in terms of what his
God wants? I think not and I think your readings should tell you the
same. Of course, that is assuming that you can get beyond your
fanaticism and look at the situation from a balanced point of view. As a
matter of fact, you fit the definition of a religious bigot to a "T."
And bigots, no matter their cause, alienate more than they persuade.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Frank, Kate,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday, Jim.
You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
You know, Andrew, when you ASSume, you make as ass out of yourself, and
you are assuming about me with your faulty conclusions. I would have
thought a Ph.D./MD was far more intelligent than to make faulty
ASSumptions so quickly and easily.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-01 19:54:05 UTC
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Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
snip
Post by GaryG
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on. Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose. When you offend, you lose.
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect. From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Very well put. Unfortunately, it's unlikely to have any impact whatsoever
on the indefatiguable Andy...he's quite unbalanced. He's been told that his
behavior is offensive in many different ways (nicely, harshly, rationally,
emotionally, etc., etc.). It makes absolutely no difference to him how many
people he offends. In offending others, he is (in his own mind) fulfilling
his "Christian" mission. The fact that he offends others is (to him) proof
that he is a "real Christian", and "persecuted" for his beliefs.
GG
Definitely delusional and not the apex of what one would consider a
Christian except of the lowest order.
A Christian of any order is infinitely more blessed than a
non-Christian.
Hmmm, even though he is causing more harm than good in terms of what his
God wants? I think not and I think your readings should tell you the
same. Of course, that is assuming that you can get beyond your
fanaticism and look at the situation from a balanced point of view. As a
matter of fact, you fit the definition of a religious bigot to a "T."
And bigots, no matter their cause, alienate more than they persuade.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Frank, Kate,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday, Jim.
You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
You know, Andrew, when you ASSume, you make as ass out of yourself, and
you are assuming about me with your faulty conclusions. I would have
thought a Ph.D./MD was far more intelligent than to make faulty
ASSumptions so quickly and easily.
Thanks to God, when I discern something, there is no assumption.

Sorry you are bothered by the truth (shrug).

You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's holy name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too
will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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2004-11-02 03:19:01 UTC
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

snip
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
You know, Andrew, when you ASSume, you make as ass out of yourself, and
you are assuming about me with your faulty conclusions. I would have
thought a Ph.D./MD was far more intelligent than to make faulty
ASSumptions so quickly and easily.
Thanks to God, when I discern something, there is no assumption.
Sorry you are bothered by the truth (shrug).
Your truth and the real truth are at odds, andy. Pity. Your tools for
discernment are very faulty and you made an incorrect ASSumption.

Try emulating your Lord and be humble, for you are not and need to learn
the lesson once again.


jim
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-02 11:11:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by JimLane
snip
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
You know, Andrew, when you ASSume, you make as ass out of yourself, and
you are assuming about me with your faulty conclusions. I would have
thought a Ph.D./MD was far more intelligent than to make faulty
ASSumptions so quickly and easily.
Thanks to God, when I discern something, there is no assumption.
Sorry you are bothered by the truth (shrug).
Your truth and the real truth are at odds, andy.
The truth is not mine. It is His.
Post by JimLane
Pity. Your tools for
discernment are very faulty and you made an incorrect ASSumption.
There are no assumptions in His Word.

Similarly, *your* parable of vinegar and honey betrays who you serve.
Would suggest you read Christ's parable of the vineyard someday.
Post by JimLane
Try emulating your Lord and be humble,
It remains my choice to continue to serve Him and others.
Post by JimLane
for you are not
Your judgment and not His.
Post by JimLane
and need to learn
the lesson once again.
Your judgment and not His.
Post by JimLane
jim
You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable riches of His
everlasting kingdom.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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menu boy
2004-11-02 17:29:45 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable riches of His
everlasting kingdom.
Unimaginable riches....doesn't sound very Christian to me. I'm starting
to think you're just making all this up as you go along.
JimLane
2004-11-02 18:35:50 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
snip
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
You know, Andrew, when you ASSume, you make as ass out of yourself, and
you are assuming about me with your faulty conclusions. I would have
thought a Ph.D./MD was far more intelligent than to make faulty
ASSumptions so quickly and easily.
Thanks to God, when I discern something, there is no assumption.
You still ASSume, andy. Your posting clearly shows you haven't a clue.
Of course, on judgment day, you can plead ignorance and see how far that
gets you. BTW, your discernment is way off too. You lack the necessary
balance to fairly discern and that is evident in your psotings.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry you are bothered by the truth (shrug).
Your truth and the real truth are at odds, andy.
The truth is not mine. It is His.
Post by JimLane
Pity. Your tools for
discernment are very faulty and you made an incorrect ASSumption.
There are no assumptions in His Word.
We are discussing your ASSumptions about other's behavior and beliefs.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Similarly, *your* parable of vinegar and honey betrays who you serve.
Would suggest you read Christ's parable of the vineyard someday.
Post by JimLane
Try emulating your Lord and be humble,
It remains my choice to continue to serve Him and others.
Yep, but humble you ain't and that flys in the face of what your Lord
wants you to be doesn't it. So much for your practicing what you preach.
You preach humbleness, yet you are not.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
for you are not
Your judgment and not His.
Your words and lack of humbleness say it. Do I need to refer you to
dictionary.com again? You did not undersatnd the word "etiquette" and
you do not understand this word either. It is marked with defferential
and submissive behavior not being in-your-face as you have demonstrated
hee time and again. I'd call you a hypocrit but that would be false
praise. Your continual assertations and confrontational behavior are not
humbleness.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
and need to learn
the lesson once again.
Your judgment and not His.
No, you have said it with your posts right here for God and all to read.
I have made no judgment.

Get a grip doc, you are blowing it and turning off more than on. That is
a statement of fact. So, in effect, you are doing the opposite of what
you are supposed to do. You are doing the devil's work. And you will be
judged on that at the appropriate time. Your intent is good, your effect
is to the opposite. And now that that has been drawn clearly enough so
any fifth grader can understand it and directly to your attention, your
plea that you were trying to do the Lord's work will not be of any
value, because you will continue to violate that which you are supposed
to do.

Now, let's see if you can really, REALLY, be humble and not just mouth
the words like the sinner who goes to church one day to . . .


jim
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-03 04:55:13 UTC
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Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
snip
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
You know, Andrew, when you ASSume, you make as ass out of yourself, and
you are assuming about me with your faulty conclusions. I would have
thought a Ph.D./MD was far more intelligent than to make faulty
ASSumptions so quickly and easily.
Thanks to God, when I discern something, there is no assumption.
You still ASSume, andy.
When I see something I don't assume it is there.
Post by JimLane
Your posting clearly shows you haven't a clue.
Of course, on judgment day, you can plead ignorance and see how far that
gets you. BTW, your discernment is way off too. You lack the necessary
balance to fairly discern and that is evident in your psotings.
Discernment is not judgment.
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry you are bothered by the truth (shrug).
Your truth and the real truth are at odds, andy.
The truth is not mine. It is His.
Post by JimLane
Pity. Your tools for
discernment are very faulty and you made an incorrect ASSumption.
There are no assumptions in His Word.
We are discussing your ASSumptions about other's behavior and beliefs.
The light of His Word allows the discernment.
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Similarly, *your* parable of vinegar and honey betrays who you serve.
Would suggest you read Christ's parable of the vineyard someday.
Post by JimLane
Try emulating your Lord and be humble,
It remains my choice to continue to serve Him and others.
Yep, but humble you ain't
Your judgment.
Post by JimLane
and that flys in the face of what your Lord
wants you to be doesn't it.
Are you trying to ask a question?
Post by JimLane
So much for your practicing what you preach.
God's purpose for me here is to inform rather than to preach.
Post by JimLane
You preach humbleness,
See above.
Post by JimLane
yet you are not.
Your judgment.
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
for you are not
Your judgment and not His.
Your words and lack of humbleness say it.
More judgment.
Post by JimLane
Do I need to refer you to
dictionary.com again?
Would suggest you use it to look up judgment.
Post by JimLane
You did not undersatnd the word "etiquette"
More than you know how to spell.
Post by JimLane
and
you do not understand this word either. It is marked with defferential
and submissive behavior not being in-your-face as you have demonstrated
hee time and again.
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
Post by JimLane
I'd call you a hypocrit but that would be false
praise. Your continual assertations and confrontational behavior are not
humbleness.
It remains my choice to serve God in whatever capacity He would have me.
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
and need to learn
the lesson once again.
Your judgment and not His.
No, you have said it with your posts right here for God and all to read.
I have made no judgment.
Again, would suggest you look up the word judgment.
Post by JimLane
Get a grip doc, you are blowing it and turning off more than on.
Folks have free will.

God's purpose for me here is to make sure folks are making an informed choice
for that is how He will judge them (and you).
Post by JimLane
That is
a statement of fact.
That is not what I discern.
Post by JimLane
So, in effect, you are doing the opposite of what
you are supposed to do.
See above.
Post by JimLane
You are doing the devil's work.
Christ has been accused of the same thing so thanks for the compliment.

All praises belong to my heavenly Father, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-)
Post by JimLane
And you will be
judged on that at the appropriate time.
We will all be judged. My Lord and Savior will save me. Who will save you ?

http://www.heartmdphd.com/christ.asp
Post by JimLane
Your intent is good, your effect
is to the opposite.
Those who hide from what I am writing can not hide from my prayers :-)
Post by JimLane
And now that that has been drawn clearly enough so
any fifth grader can understand it and directly to your attention, your
plea that you were trying to do the Lord's work will not be of any
value, because you will continue to violate that which you are supposed
to do.
Your judgment and not His.
Post by JimLane
Now, let's see if you can really, REALLY, be humble and not just mouth
the words like the sinner who goes to church one day to . . .
Christ has forgiven my sins... who will forgive yours?
Post by JimLane
jim
You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's holy name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you
too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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2004-11-03 05:03:35 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
snip
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
You know, Andrew, when you ASSume, you make as ass out of yourself, and
you are assuming about me with your faulty conclusions. I would have
thought a Ph.D./MD was far more intelligent than to make faulty
ASSumptions so quickly and easily.
Thanks to God, when I discern something, there is no assumption.
You still ASSume, andy.
When I see something I don't assume it is there.
Yep, you do, because your ability to discern is faulty. Next time in San
Diego, let me know and I'll be happy to introduce you to some reality,
of course, assuming that you are brave enough to encounter your
ASSumptions face-to-face.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Your posting clearly shows you haven't a clue.
Of course, on judgment day, you can plead ignorance and see how far that
gets you. BTW, your discernment is way off too. You lack the necessary
balance to fairly discern and that is evident in your psotings.
Discernment is not judgment.
Where did I say it was? Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry you are bothered by the truth (shrug).
Your truth and the real truth are at odds, andy.
The truth is not mine. It is His.
Right. That you cannot recognize it is your problem. Convenient
scapegoating, andy, blame it on everyone else.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Pity. Your tools for
discernment are very faulty and you made an incorrect ASSumption.
There are no assumptions in His Word.
However, you still are making ASSumptions, andy, and that you are
intellectually incapable of discerning that is your personal problem.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
We are discussing your ASSumptions about other's behavior and beliefs.
The light of His Word allows the discernment.
In your case, I think you are blind to the truth because you cannot
recognize it when it is sitting right in front of you on your screen.
You are turning people off big time.

I wonder how many people in these ngs would say that you have brought
them to Christianity and how many would say that you are driving them
away. Of course, you will say that if you bring one, then it has been
fruitful, no matter how many you lose, right?
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Similarly, *your* parable of vinegar and honey betrays who you serve.
Would suggest you read Christ's parable of the vineyard someday.
Post by JimLane
Try emulating your Lord and be humble,
It remains my choice to continue to serve Him and others.
Yep, but humble you ain't
Your judgment.
Fact, or do we need to re-introduce you to the dictionary once again,
andy. In every case when you have argued the definition of a word, you
have been wrong and that is the dictionary talking. Of course, if you
have andy's private definitions that you follow and they run counter to
commonly accepted definitions, it is no wonder you cannot communicate
effectively.

Humble you are not - arguing your cause when the effect is deleterious
to your goal does not fit under even the loosest definition of "humble."
You like to pretend that you are, but you are not.

I have challenged you to be humble in your rhetoric here. Let's see if
you can or if all you want to do is play semantic games. So far, all we
have is the latter.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
and that flys in the face of what your Lord
wants you to be doesn't it.
Are you trying to ask a question?
Of course it was a question with a missing question mark. Got an answer,
or do you want to play more semantic games? Come to think of it, that's
not a very Christian thing to do, is it? Playing semantic games?

My, my, andy, do you have clay feet?
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
So much for your practicing what you preach.
God's purpose for me here is to inform rather than to preach.
You do not do either. You think you do, but you lack adequate skills to
communicate and as you automatically reject everything coming your way
(and the evidence of that is in all your replies, as I discern it and
most everyone else here) all you are doing is dissemination and that, in
your cases, amounts to preaching.

You do not inform, you alienate. Many have told you so, but you cannot
hear or see the truth of that and blindly continue alienating those you
might otherwise reach.

In essence, you are doing the devil's work by driving these people
further away than they were. Well done, preacher.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
You preach humbleness,
See above.
Post by JimLane
yet you are not.
Your judgment.
Facts, andy, based on your words.

Here's a challenge for you, try running all your stuff by someone you
respect and see whether or not they think your manner is humble, that
your manner of "informing" is humble. Do you have the courage to do
that? Hmmmm?
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
for you are not
Your judgment and not His.
See above.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Your words and lack of humbleness say it.
More judgment.
Nope, dictionary definitions, andy. Why don't you go argue your semantic
games with the Oxford.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Do I need to refer you to
dictionary.com again?
Would suggest you use it to look up judgment.
Well, I'd be more successful than you as you have failed all three of
your definitional challenges. BTW, if what you are doing is discerning,
then I am discerning. However, I have discerned the words according to
their actual meanings, not some misguided attempt to rationalize my
behavior as you have. See all your posts regarding "etiquette" for a
start. Totally misused by anyone's definition (except andy little
private definitions, I suppose).
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
You did not undersatnd the word "etiquette"
More than you know how to spell.
Does not change the fact, andy, you didn't know what the word meant and
bandied it about without a clue. Are you now attacking my typos and
spelling? Talk about being judgmental if you think that offsets your
ignorance of common word definitions and misusing them to badger someone
over his correct definition.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
and
you do not understand this word either. It is marked with defferential
and submissive behavior not being in-your-face as you have demonstrated
hee time and again.
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
Are you being judgmental based on spelling, andy? What's next, do you
want to be the spelling police? I write on the fly and rarely ever
correct what I post on Usenet. If you don;t get the gist of what I have
written, just ask. Nice that you are now attacking my spelling and
typos. You have stooped down to a new low, andy. Way to go!
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
I'd call you a hypocrit but that would be false
praise. Your continual assertations and confrontational behavior are not
humbleness.
It remains my choice to serve God in whatever capacity He would have me.
Yep, it has been all spelled out as you have said. So, because of your
behavior here, I take it you're preordained mission is to drive people
in these newsgroups away from Christ and toward the devil. Well, even
God needs opposition to validate what he stands for and you're helping
very well indeed.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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and need to learn
the lesson once again.
Your judgment and not His.
Semantic games once again. Pity. You are sounding like a broken record.
But hey, show me where the Bible says God's missionaries are supposed to
turn off people and drive them toward Satan. I really like to see where
it rationalizes your effect in these newsgroups.
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Post by JimLane
No, you have said it with your posts right here for God and all to read.
I have made no judgment.
Again, would suggest you look up the word judgment.
Post by JimLane
Get a grip doc, you are blowing it and turning off more than on.
Folks have free will.
But you are the cause, andy, the cause. See above for where I asked you
to show us all where it says you are supposed to drive people away.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
God's purpose for me here is to make sure folks are making an informed choice
for that is how He will judge them (and you).
However that maybe, andy, your behavior is contributing to a negative
reaction. Show me where it says that you are supposed to be driving
people away from Christ.
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Post by JimLane
That is
a statement of fact.
That is not what I discern.
As I said, you are playing word games, andy, and that should be beneath
you, but is not. So much for that.
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Post by JimLane
So, in effect, you are doing the opposite of what
you are supposed to do.
See above.
Post by JimLane
You are doing the devil's work.
Christ has been accused of the same thing so thanks for the compliment.
Post by JimLane
And you will be
judged on that at the appropriate time.
We will all be judged. My Lord and Savior will save me. Who will save you ?
For driving people away? Interesting. Christ was accused. Your words
stand testimony to the fact.
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Post by JimLane
Your intent is good, your effect
is to the opposite.
Those who hide from what I am writing can not hide from my prayers :-)
No one is hiding, andy. Do you need to believe that to give your life
purpose? Why do you hide from the fact that what you are doing is
deleterious to your mission?
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Post by JimLane
And now that that has been drawn clearly enough so
any fifth grader can understand it and directly to your attention, your
plea that you were trying to do the Lord's work will not be of any
value, because you will continue to violate that which you are supposed
to do.
Your judgment and not His.
Run it by someone you trust and respect, andy, and see whether or not
they think you are having a deleterious effect. Make sure they see the
reaction you garner from the ngs. Oh yes, I think most of us would
appreciate that person saying so directly here.
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Post by JimLane
Now, let's see if you can really, REALLY, be humble and not just mouth
the words like the sinner who goes to church one day to . . .
Christ has forgiven my sins... who will forgive yours?
Same Guy, andy, and I'll get my break for trying to correct your
misguided effect.



jim
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
You know, Andrew, when you ASSume, you make as ass out of yourself, and
you are assuming about me with your faulty conclusions. I would have
thought a Ph.D./MD was far more intelligent than to make faulty
ASSumptions so quickly and easily.
Thanks to God, when I discern something, there is no assumption.
You still ASSume, andy.
When I see something I don't assume it is there.
Yep, you do, because your ability to discern is faulty.
Your judgment.
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Next time in San
Diego, let me know and I'll be happy to introduce you to some reality,
of course, assuming that you are brave enough to encounter your
ASSumptions face-to-face.
With Christ there is no fear.
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Your posting clearly shows you haven't a clue.
Of course, on judgment day, you can plead ignorance and see how far that
gets you. BTW, your discernment is way off too. You lack the necessary
balance to fairly discern and that is evident in your psotings.
Discernment is not judgment.
Where did I say it was?
By using the adverb "fairly" to modify discern.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse?
No.
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Sorry you are bothered by the truth (shrug).
Your truth and the real truth are at odds, andy.
The truth is not mine. It is His.
Right. That you cannot recognize it is your problem.
Thanks to Him, I am able to discern the truth.
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Convenient
scapegoating, andy, blame it on everyone else.
There is no blame, only praise for Him.
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Pity. Your tools for
discernment are very faulty and you made an incorrect ASSumption.
There are no assumptions in His Word.
However, you still are making ASSumptions, andy, and that you are
intellectually incapable of discerning that is your personal problem.
There are assumptions in judgment.

There are none in discernment.

Truth is simple.
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We are discussing your ASSumptions about other's behavior and beliefs.
The light of His Word allows the discernment.
In your case, I think you are blind to the truth because you cannot
recognize it when it is sitting right in front of you on your screen.
You are turning people off big time.
Truth has that effect on the untruthful (shrug).
Post by JimLane
I wonder how many people in these ngs would say that you have brought
them to Christianity and how many would say that you are driving them
away.
It is your choice to wonder and to assume.

It is my choice to inform.

Truth is simple.
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Of course, you will say that if you bring one, then it has been
fruitful, no matter how many you lose, right?
What I will write is that "May God's will be done."
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Similarly, *your* parable of vinegar and honey betrays who you serve.
Would suggest you read Christ's parable of the vineyard someday.
Post by JimLane
Try emulating your Lord and be humble,
It remains my choice to continue to serve Him and others.
Yep, but humble you ain't
Your judgment.
Fact, or do we need to re-introduce you to the dictionary once again,
andy.
You seem to need the dictionary to look up the word "judgment."
Post by JimLane
In every case when you have argued the definition of a word, you
have been wrong and that is the dictionary talking.
More judgment.
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Of course, if you
have andy's private definitions that you follow and they run counter to
commonly accepted definitions, it is no wonder you cannot communicate
effectively.
It remains my choice to be truthful.
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Humble you are not -
More judgment.
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arguing your cause when the effect is deleterious
to your goal does not fit under even the loosest definition of "humble."
My goal is to inform out of obedience to the One Whom I serve.

All praises belong to my heavenly Father, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength :-)
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You like to pretend that you are, but you are not.
More judgment.
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I have challenged you to be humble in your rhetoric here.
Those who are humble are not challenged by other humans but by God.
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Let's see if
you can or if all you want to do is play semantic games. So far, all we
have is the latter.
I have written before and I write again, this is not a game for me.
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and that flys in the face of what your Lord
wants you to be doesn't it.
Are you trying to ask a question?
Of course it was a question with a missing question mark. Got an answer,
or do you want to play more semantic games?
The true answer to your rhetorical question is "no."
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Come to think of it, that's
not a very Christian thing to do, is it? Playing semantic games?
See above.
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My, my, andy, do you have clay feet?
No.
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So much for your practicing what you preach.
God's purpose for me here is to inform rather than to preach.
You do not do either. You think you do, but you lack adequate skills to
communicate and as you automatically reject everything coming your way
(and the evidence of that is in all your replies, as I discern it and
most everyone else here) all you are doing is dissemination and that, in
your cases, amounts to preaching.
More judgment.
Post by JimLane
You do not inform, you alienate. Many have told you so, but you cannot
hear or see the truth of that and blindly continue alienating those you
might otherwise reach.
It is the truth that will cull the chaff from the wheat.

Would suggest you also read the parable of the sower when you open the
Holy Bible to read the parable of the vineyard and find out there is no
parable of "honey and vinegar."
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In essence, you are doing the devil's work by driving these people
further away than they were. Well done, preacher.
Such was said of my Lord and Savior so I thank you for seeing Christ in
me.
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You preach humbleness,
See above.
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yet you are not.
Your judgment.
Facts, andy, based on your words.
Judgment, neighbor.
Post by JimLane
Here's a challenge for you, try running all your stuff by someone you
respect and see whether or not they think your manner is humble, that
your manner of "informing" is humble. Do you have the courage to do
that? Hmmmm?
Christ is reading over my shoulder as I write this.

He is my source of both courage and strength.

You can never defeat someone who is walking with Him.
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for you are not
Your judgment and not His.
See above.
Yes, please do.
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Your words and lack of humbleness say it.
More judgment.
Nope, dictionary definitions, andy. Why don't you go argue your semantic
games with the Oxford.
My purpose here is to inform rather than to argue (shrug).
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Do I need to refer you to
dictionary.com again?
Would suggest you use it to look up judgment.
Well, I'd be more successful than you as you have failed all three of
your definitional challenges. BTW, if what you are doing is discerning,
then I am discerning. However, I have discerned the words according to
their actual meanings, not some misguided attempt to rationalize my
behavior as you have. See all your posts regarding "etiquette" for a
start. Totally misused by anyone's definition (except andy little
private definitions, I suppose).
You may worship the words of man that reside in a dictionary if you
choose.

It remains my choice to worship Him, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength :-)
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You did not undersatnd the word "etiquette"
More than you know how to spell.
Does not change the fact, andy, you didn't know what the word meant and
bandied it about without a clue. Are you now attacking my typos and
spelling?
No.
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Talk about being judgmental if you think that offsets your
ignorance of common word definitions and misusing them to badger someone
over his correct definition.
See above.
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and
you do not understand this word either. It is marked with defferential
and submissive behavior not being in-your-face as you have demonstrated
hee time and again.
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
Are you being judgmental based on spelling, andy?
No.
Post by JimLane
What's next, do you
want to be the spelling police? I write on the fly and rarely ever
correct what I post on Usenet.
Would still suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.

Consider yourself informed.
Post by JimLane
If you don;t get the gist of what I have
written, just ask. Nice that you are now attacking my spelling and
typos. You have stooped down to a new low, andy. Way to go!
Those who are humble are not offended when they are reminded that they
are not perfect.
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I'd call you a hypocrit but that would be false
praise. Your continual assertations and confrontational behavior are not
humbleness.
It remains my choice to serve God in whatever capacity He would have me.
Yep, it has been all spelled out as you have said. So, because of your
behavior here, I take it you're preordained mission is to drive people
in these newsgroups away from Christ and toward the devil. Well, even
God needs opposition to validate what he stands for and you're helping
very well indeed.
Would suggest you read the Holy Bible especially the parable of the
sower.
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and need to learn
the lesson once again.
Your judgment and not His.
Semantic games once again. Pity. You are sounding like a broken record.
But hey, show me where the Bible says God's missionaries are supposed to
turn off people and drive them toward Satan. I really like to see where
it rationalizes your effect in these newsgroups.
See above.
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No, you have said it with your posts right here for God and all to read.
I have made no judgment.
Again, would suggest you look up the word judgment.
Post by JimLane
Get a grip doc, you are blowing it and turning off more than on.
Folks have free will.
But you are the cause, andy, the cause.
God controls *everything* except your free will, neighbor.
Post by JimLane
See above for where I asked you
to show us all where it says you are supposed to drive people away.
See above where I responded.
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God's purpose for me here is to make sure folks are making an informed choice
for that is how He will judge them (and you).
However that maybe, andy, your behavior is contributing to a negative
reaction. Show me where it says that you are supposed to be driving
people away from Christ.
It is written in Revelations that many will reject Christ to the very
end of days.
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That is
a statement of fact.
That is not what I discern.
As I said, you are playing word games, andy, and that should be beneath
you, but is not. So much for that.
See above.
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So, in effect, you are doing the opposite of what
you are supposed to do.
See above.
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You are doing the devil's work.
Christ has been accused of the same thing so thanks for the compliment.
Double the thanks.
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And you will be
judged on that at the appropriate time.
We will all be judged. My Lord and Savior will save me. Who will save you ?
For driving people away?
For all my sins.
Post by JimLane
Interesting. Christ was accused. Your words
stand testimony to the fact.
His Word stands as testimony to what is true.
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Your intent is good, your effect
is to the opposite.
Those who hide from what I am writing can not hide from my prayers :-)
No one is hiding, andy.
It seems that not only are you unable to discern the truth, you are also
unable to open your eyes to see.
Post by JimLane
Do you need to believe that to give your life
purpose?
No.
Post by JimLane
Why do you hide from the fact that what you are doing is
deleterious to your mission?
It remains my choice to unashamedly walk with Christ rather than hide.
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And now that that has been drawn clearly enough so
any fifth grader can understand it and directly to your attention, your
plea that you were trying to do the Lord's work will not be of any
value, because you will continue to violate that which you are supposed
to do.
Your judgment and not His.
Run it by someone you trust and respect, andy, and see whether or not
they think you are having a deleterious effect. Make sure they see the
reaction you garner from the ngs. Oh yes, I think most of us would
appreciate that person saying so directly here.
See above.
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Post by JimLane
Now, let's see if you can really, REALLY, be humble and not just mouth
the words like the sinner who goes to church one day to . . .
Christ has forgiven my sins... who will forgive yours?
Same Guy, andy,
That would be my wish for you.
Post by JimLane
and I'll get my break for trying to correct your
misguided effect.
Your "break" would come from accepting Him and not from anything that
you might otherwise choose to do. Would suggest you read the Bible
(instead of the dictionary) to learn this.
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jim
Have you accepted Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, Jim ?


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Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
You know, Andrew, when you ASSume, you make as ass out of yourself, and
you are assuming about me with your faulty conclusions. I would have
thought a Ph.D./MD was far more intelligent than to make faulty
ASSumptions so quickly and easily.
Thanks to God, when I discern something, there is no assumption.
You still ASSume, andy.
When I see something I don't assume it is there.
Yep, you do, because your ability to discern is faulty. Next time in San
Diego, let me know and I'll be happy to introduce you to some reality,
of course, assuming that you are brave enough to encounter your
ASSumptions face-to-face.
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Post by JimLane
Your posting clearly shows you haven't a clue.
Of course, on judgment day, you can plead ignorance and see how far that
gets you. BTW, your discernment is way off too. You lack the necessary
balance to fairly discern and that is evident in your psotings.
Discernment is not judgment.
Where did I say it was? Are you being deliberately obtuse?
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Post by JimLane
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Sorry you are bothered by the truth (shrug).
Your truth and the real truth are at odds, andy.
The truth is not mine. It is His.
Right. That you cannot recognize it is your problem. Convenient
scapegoating, andy, blame it on everyone else.
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Post by JimLane
Pity. Your tools for
discernment are very faulty and you made an incorrect ASSumption.
There are no assumptions in His Word.
However, you still are making ASSumptions, andy, and that you are
intellectually incapable of discerning that is your personal problem.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
We are discussing your ASSumptions about other's behavior and beliefs.
The light of His Word allows the discernment.
In your case, I think you are blind to the truth because you cannot
recognize it when it is sitting right in front of you on your screen.
You are turning people off big time.
I wonder how many people in these ngs would say that you have brought
them to Christianity and how many would say that you are driving them
away. Of course, you will say that if you bring one, then it has been
fruitful, no matter how many you lose, right?
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Similarly, *your* parable of vinegar and honey betrays who you serve.
Would suggest you read Christ's parable of the vineyard someday.
Post by JimLane
Try emulating your Lord and be humble,
It remains my choice to continue to serve Him and others.
Yep, but humble you ain't
Your judgment.
Fact, or do we need to re-introduce you to the dictionary once again,
andy. In every case when you have argued the definition of a word, you
have been wrong and that is the dictionary talking. Of course, if you
have andy's private definitions that you follow and they run counter to
commonly accepted definitions, it is no wonder you cannot communicate
effectively.
Humble you are not - arguing your cause when the effect is deleterious
to your goal does not fit under even the loosest definition of "humble."
You like to pretend that you are, but you are not.
I have challenged you to be humble in your rhetoric here. Let's see if
you can or if all you want to do is play semantic games. So far, all we
have is the latter.
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Post by JimLane
and that flys in the face of what your Lord
wants you to be doesn't it.
Are you trying to ask a question?
Of course it was a question with a missing question mark. Got an answer,
or do you want to play more semantic games? Come to think of it, that's
not a very Christian thing to do, is it? Playing semantic games?
My, my, andy, do you have clay feet?
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Post by JimLane
So much for your practicing what you preach.
God's purpose for me here is to inform rather than to preach.
You do not do either. You think you do, but you lack adequate skills to
communicate and as you automatically reject everything coming your way
(and the evidence of that is in all your replies, as I discern it and
most everyone else here) all you are doing is dissemination and that, in
your cases, amounts to preaching.
You do not inform, you alienate. Many have told you so, but you cannot
hear or see the truth of that and blindly continue alienating those you
might otherwise reach.
In essence, you are doing the devil's work by driving these people
further away than they were. Well done, preacher.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
You preach humbleness,
See above.
Post by JimLane
yet you are not.
Your judgment.
Facts, andy, based on your words.
Here's a challenge for you, try running all your stuff by someone you
respect and see whether or not they think your manner is humble, that
your manner of "informing" is humble. Do you have the courage to do
that? Hmmmm?
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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for you are not
Your judgment and not His.
See above.
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Post by JimLane
Your words and lack of humbleness say it.
More judgment.
Nope, dictionary definitions, andy. Why don't you go argue your semantic
games with the Oxford.
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Post by JimLane
Do I need to refer you to
dictionary.com again?
Would suggest you use it to look up judgment.
Well, I'd be more successful than you as you have failed all three of
your definitional challenges. BTW, if what you are doing is discerning,
then I am discerning. However, I have discerned the words according to
their actual meanings, not some misguided attempt to rationalize my
behavior as you have. See all your posts regarding "etiquette" for a
start. Totally misused by anyone's definition (except andy little
private definitions, I suppose).
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
You did not undersatnd the word "etiquette"
More than you know how to spell.
Does not change the fact, andy, you didn't know what the word meant and
bandied it about without a clue. Are you now attacking my typos and
spelling? Talk about being judgmental if you think that offsets your
ignorance of common word definitions and misusing them to badger someone
over his correct definition.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
and
you do not understand this word either. It is marked with defferential
and submissive behavior not being in-your-face as you have demonstrated
hee time and again.
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
Are you being judgmental based on spelling, andy? What's next, do you
want to be the spelling police? I write on the fly and rarely ever
correct what I post on Usenet. If you don;t get the gist of what I have
written, just ask. Nice that you are now attacking my spelling and
typos. You have stooped down to a new low, andy. Way to go!
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
I'd call you a hypocrit but that would be false
praise. Your continual assertations and confrontational behavior are not
humbleness.
It remains my choice to serve God in whatever capacity He would have me.
Yep, it has been all spelled out as you have said. So, because of your
behavior here, I take it you're preordained mission is to drive people
in these newsgroups away from Christ and toward the devil. Well, even
God needs opposition to validate what he stands for and you're helping
very well indeed.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
and need to learn
the lesson once again.
Your judgment and not His.
Semantic games once again. Pity. You are sounding like a broken record.
But hey, show me where the Bible says God's missionaries are supposed to
turn off people and drive them toward Satan. I really like to see where
it rationalizes your effect in these newsgroups.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
No, you have said it with your posts right here for God and all to read.
I have made no judgment.
Again, would suggest you look up the word judgment.
Post by JimLane
Get a grip doc, you are blowing it and turning off more than on.
Folks have free will.
But you are the cause, andy, the cause. See above for where I asked you
to show us all where it says you are supposed to drive people away.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
God's purpose for me here is to make sure folks are making an informed choice
for that is how He will judge them (and you).
However that maybe, andy, your behavior is contributing to a negative
reaction. Show me where it says that you are supposed to be driving
people away from Christ.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
That is
a statement of fact.
That is not what I discern.
As I said, you are playing word games, andy, and that should be beneath
you, but is not. So much for that.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
So, in effect, you are doing the opposite of what
you are supposed to do.
See above.
Post by JimLane
You are doing the devil's work.
Christ has been accused of the same thing so thanks for the compliment.
Post by JimLane
And you will be
judged on that at the appropriate time.
We will all be judged. My Lord and Savior will save me. Who will save you ?
For driving people away? Interesting. Christ was accused. Your words
stand testimony to the fact.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Your intent is good, your effect
is to the opposite.
Those who hide from what I am writing can not hide from my prayers :-)
No one is hiding, andy. Do you need to believe that to give your life
purpose? Why do you hide from the fact that what you are doing is
deleterious to your mission?
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
And now that that has been drawn clearly enough so
any fifth grader can understand it and directly to your attention, your
plea that you were trying to do the Lord's work will not be of any
value, because you will continue to violate that which you are supposed
to do.
Your judgment and not His.
Run it by someone you trust and respect, andy, and see whether or not
they think you are having a deleterious effect. Make sure they see the
reaction you garner from the ngs. Oh yes, I think most of us would
appreciate that person saying so directly here.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Now, let's see if you can really, REALLY, be humble and not just mouth
the words like the sinner who goes to church one day to . . .
Christ has forgiven my sins... who will forgive yours?
Same Guy, andy, and I'll get my break for trying to correct your
misguided effect.
jim
Save your breath, Jim. Andy is incapable of arguing a point rationally. He
puts everyone else down for "judgment", while at the same time asserting
that everything he says is "truth". He claims that he is able to "discern
truth" in all circumstances due to the special powers granted to him by his
relationship with "god".

You'll also notice that he always has to have the last word, and that he
seems to derive pleasure from irritating others. When people complain about
his off-topic cross posting and/or call him an idiot, it helps him to feel
like a "real" (i.e., persecuted) Christian.

It's kind of like arguing with a voluble 5 year old (or, someone who is
mentally ill).

(Expect an "Ouch, you may have the other cheek" shortly).

GG
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-03 19:06:39 UTC
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<snip>
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Christ has forgiven my sins... who will forgive yours?
Same Guy, andy, and I'll get my break for trying to correct your
misguided effect.
jim
Save your breath, Jim.
If by his breath, he proclaims that he accepts Christ as His personal Lord and
Savior, he will have saved himself.
Andy is incapable of arguing a point rationally. He
puts everyone else down for "judgment", while at the same time asserting
that everything he says is "truth". He claims that he is able to "discern
truth" in all circumstances due to the special powers granted to him by his
relationship with "god".
Sorry the truth bothers you.
You'll also notice that he always has to have the last word, and that he
seems to derive pleasure from irritating others. When people complain about
his off-topic cross posting and/or call him an idiot, it helps him to feel
like a "real" (i.e., persecuted) Christian.
The blessings that I receive from God in each instance are nice.
It's kind of like arguing with a voluble 5 year old (or, someone who is
mentally ill).
Seems that you are speaking from experience. That is sad.
(Expect an "Ouch, you may have the other cheek" shortly).
(Sorry to disappoint you).
GG
You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's name.


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Andrew

--
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Ken Davey
2004-11-03 20:19:23 UTC
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What posts?
Killfiles are a wonderful thing.
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menu boy
2004-11-03 05:52:02 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
LMAO. Okay, now I *know* you're a troll. No Christian would be
so condescending.
JimLane
2004-11-03 06:19:59 UTC
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Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
LMAO. Okay, now I *know* you're a troll. No Christian would be
so condescending.
It only takes a short while for them to come out into plain view. andy's
a poor representative of Christianity. In fact, maybe he really is in
league with the devil and this is their way of gaining ground, play like
he's a Christian and alienate everyone he can driving them away in the
other direction.

I've never plonked anyone because they are usually good for comic
relief. And that andy is. But he's so one-dimensional he's boring.

Ask him how the weather is and get no answer because he doesn't to make
a judgment, not his province.

Anyway, I'm setting ignore to his threads.

Later, elsewhere.


jim



jim
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-03 12:56:50 UTC
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Post by JimLane
Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
LMAO. Okay, now I *know* you're a troll. No Christian would be
so condescending.
It only takes a short while for them to come out into plain view. andy's
a poor representative of Christianity.
Your judgment.
Post by JimLane
In fact, maybe he really is in
league with the devil and this is their way of gaining ground, play like
he's a Christian and alienate everyone he can driving them away in the
other direction.
Such things were said of my Lord and Savior. Thank you for seeing Him
in me :-)
Post by JimLane
I've never plonked anyone because they are usually good for comic
relief. And that andy is. But he's so one-dimensional he's boring.
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
Post by JimLane
Ask him how the weather is and get no answer because he doesn't to make
a judgment, not his province.
If you had asked about the weather, I would have informed you that it
looks very nice here in Atlanta right now. We did get some rain last
night, however.
Post by JimLane
Anyway, I'm setting ignore to his threads.
Your choice.
Post by JimLane
Later, elsewhere.
Hopefully, not too late (see below).
Post by JimLane
jim
Please consider the following very simple tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

One purpose of the cross is to remind us of this decision tree.

One still has to conclude that those (ie you, Jeff, George, Gary, Carey,
Frank, Bob, Hawki, Kate, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have
not thought out their decision *logically*.

May you make the right decision, someday.

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's name.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God made this special link describing that He is the
great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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GaryG
2004-11-03 19:47:05 UTC
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(1) Accept Santa Claus.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Toys and Goodies.
(2) Reject Santa Claus.
Risk: No Toys and Goodies. Possible lump of coal in stocking.
Benefits: Nothing.
I've seen the light!!! Thanks, Andy!

GG
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-03 21:30:47 UTC
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Post by GaryG
(1) Accept Santa Claus.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Toys and Goodies.
(2) Reject Santa Claus.
Risk: No Toys and Goodies. Possible lump of coal in stocking.
Benefits: Nothing.
I've seen the light!!!
That's not what I discern.
Post by GaryG
Thanks, Andy!
GG
By all means accept Santa Claus if only toys and goodies matter to you
(shrug).

As I have written before, the reason God has me here is to inform.


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Andrew

--
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GaryG
2004-11-03 22:24:56 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by GaryG
(1) Accept Santa Claus.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Toys and Goodies.
(2) Reject Santa Claus.
Risk: No Toys and Goodies. Possible lump of coal in stocking.
Benefits: Nothing.
I've seen the light!!!
That's not what I discern.
Your judgment, Andy <shrug>.

GG
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-03 23:16:04 UTC
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Post by GaryG
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by GaryG
(1) Accept Santa Claus.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Toys and Goodies.
(2) Reject Santa Claus.
Risk: No Toys and Goodies. Possible lump of coal in stocking.
Benefits: Nothing.
I've seen the light!!!
That's not what I discern.
Your judgment, Andy <shrug>.
Sorry, it's not.

To discern is not the same as to judge.

Just as to see is not the same as to judge either.
Post by GaryG
GG
Please consider the following very simple decision tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches in
God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

One still has to conclude that those (ie you, Jeff, George, Bob, Carey, Frank,
Hawki, Kate, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
their decision *logically*.

May you make the right decision, someday.

You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's name.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God made this special link describing that He is the great
"I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number
between 1 to 9 :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
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Is this spam?
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-04 06:25:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: Dr. Chung posts
Date: 11/3/2004 3:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
(Please note that God made this special link describing that He is the great
"I am" and that His message is as
simple as the number 2 which is a number
between 1 to 9 :-)
"God is making links now??"
My heavenly Father makes everything.

God is great and able though I am unable (and certainly have no way of
controlling what link is made by makeashorterlink).

All praises to my heavenly Father, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength.
yikes...
Without Christ, you have only fear.
andy is sicker than I thought
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
hawki.....
Please consider the following very simple decision tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

One still has to conclude that those (ie you, Jeff, George, Bob, Carey,
Frank, Gary, Kate, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not
thought out their decision *logically*.

May you make the right decision, someday.

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's name.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God made this special link describing that He is the
great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is
a number between 1 to 9 :-)

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
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Is this spam?
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Carey Gregory
2004-11-03 19:35:52 UTC
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Post by JimLane
It only takes a short while for them to come out into plain view. andy's
a poor representative of Christianity. In fact, maybe he really is in
league with the devil and this is their way of gaining ground, play like
he's a Christian and alienate everyone he can driving them away in the
other direction.
The truth is simple.
Post by JimLane
I've never plonked anyone because they are usually good for comic
relief. And that andy is. But he's so one-dimensional he's boring.
Ask him how the weather is and get no answer because he doesn't to make
a judgment, not his province.
Anyway, I'm setting ignore to his threads.
Must say I was wondering how long your fortitude would hold out.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-03 21:30:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by JimLane
It only takes a short while for them to come out into plain view. andy's
a poor representative of Christianity. In fact, maybe he really is in
league with the devil and this is their way of gaining ground, play like
he's a Christian and alienate everyone he can driving them away in the
other direction.
The truth is simple.
Truth is simple. Judgment is not.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by JimLane
I've never plonked anyone because they are usually good for comic
relief. And that andy is. But he's so one-dimensional he's boring.
Ask him how the weather is and get no answer because he doesn't to make
a judgment, not his province.
Anyway, I'm setting ignore to his threads.
Must say I was wondering how long your fortitude would hold out.
Where there is no blessing from God, there is little strength.

You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love, in Christ's name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
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menu boy
2004-11-03 23:09:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by JimLane
It only takes a short while for them to come out into plain view. andy's
a poor representative of Christianity. In fact, maybe he really is in
league with the devil and this is their way of gaining ground, play like
he's a Christian and alienate everyone he can driving them away in the
other direction.
The truth is simple.
Truth is simple. Judgment is not.
You should focus more on facts.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-03 12:56:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
LMAO. Okay, now I *know* you're a troll. No Christian would be
so condescending.
Your judgment.

Please consider the following very simple tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.


One purpose of the cross is to remind us of this decision tree.

One still has to conclude that those (ie you, Jeff, George, Gary, Carey,
Frank, Bob, Hawki, Kate, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have
not thought out their decision *logically*.

May you make the right decision, someday.

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's name.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

(Please note that God made this special link describing that He is the
great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 :-)


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
menu boy
2004-11-03 13:22:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
LMAO. Okay, now I *know* you're a troll. No Christian would be
so condescending.
Your judgment.
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One purpose of the cross is to remind us of this decision tree.
One still has to conclude that those (ie you, Jeff, George, Gary, Carey,
Frank, Bob, Hawki, Kate, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have
not thought out their decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday.
I did....I decided you're a troll.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-03 14:01:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
LMAO. Okay, now I *know* you're a troll. No Christian would be
so condescending.
Your judgment.
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One purpose of the cross is to remind us of this decision tree.
One still has to conclude that those (ie you, Jeff, George, Gary, Carey,
Frank, Bob, Hawki, Kate, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have
not thought out their decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday.
I did....I decided you're a troll.
Your response betrays your claim.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
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GaryG
2004-11-03 14:59:18 UTC
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Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
LMAO. Okay, now I *know* you're a troll. No Christian would be
so condescending.
Your judgment.
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One purpose of the cross is to remind us of this decision tree.
One still has to conclude that those (ie you, Jeff, George, Gary, Carey,
Frank, Bob, Hawki, Kate, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have
not thought out their decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday.
I did....I decided you're a troll.
Ha-ha...many others have come to the same conclusion. A Google Groups
search for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=andrew+chung+troll

Similar results can be found for "Andrew Chung idiot" (2130 hits):

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=andrew+chung+idiot&btnG=Search

and others...

However, it never phases Andy to be called bad names. He enjoys being
"persecuted", because Christ was also persecuted.

GG
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-03 19:06:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by GaryG
Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by menu boy
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Really would suggest you learn how to use a spell checker.
LMAO. Okay, now I *know* you're a troll. No Christian would be
so condescending.
Your judgment.
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One purpose of the cross is to remind us of this decision tree.
One still has to conclude that those (ie you, Jeff, George, Gary, Carey,
Frank, Bob, Hawki, Kate, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have
not thought out their decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday.
I did....I decided you're a troll.
Ha-ha...many others have come to the same conclusion. A Google Groups
http://groups.google.com/groups?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=andrew+chung+troll
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=andrew+chung+idiot&btnG=Search
and others...
Here are some others:

"Andrew Chung Cardiologist" about 13,000 hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=andrew+chung+cardiologist

"Andrew Chung Truth" about 9,240 hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=andrew+chung+truth

Your point is ?
Post by GaryG
However, it never phases Andy to be called bad names. He enjoys being
"persecuted", because Christ was also persecuted.
The blessings from God are nice :-)
Post by GaryG
GG
You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Bob (this one)
2004-11-04 06:57:33 UTC
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Oh, look The wily Chungster has changed it from a *decision* tree to a
"very simple tree." <LOL> What a silly, silly boy he is.

Can't admit an error, poor sap.

Bob

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-01 11:19:21 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society
together
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
Such is judgment by us imperfect beings.
And your judgment is being colored by your mission in life. Pity that
you offend more than you embrace.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.
Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.
Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on. Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose. When you offend, you lose.
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect. From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Very well put.
This reveals your lack of familiarity with His Word.

Simply consider the following decision tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.


One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Kate, Frank,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.

May you make the right decision, someday, Gary.

You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's name.
--
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Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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2004-11-01 18:37:52 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society
together
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
Such is judgment by us imperfect beings.
And your judgment is being colored by your mission in life. Pity that
you offend more than you embrace.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.
Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.
Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on. Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose. When you offend, you lose.
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect. From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Very well put.
This reveals your lack of familiarity with His Word.
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Kate, Frank,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday, Gary.
You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's name.
Faulty tree, you have grown. Not accepting does not mean rejecting in
all cases.


jim
Tiger Lily
2004-11-01 18:46:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Kate, Frank,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.
Faulty tree, you have grown. Not accepting does not mean rejecting in
all cases.
jim
but for jim's post i would have been spared andie's faulty logic yet again

the more he rants, the more i'm sickened to even associate with being called
'christian' as he defines it

the book on Buddhism "Mayflower II On the Buddhist Voyage to Liberation" has
arrived and i wait with great anticipation for some time to 'get into' this
book and a healthier way of maintaining my Christian background...... only
without the bigotry and malice that andie tosses about here

too bad he can't follow christian actions........ going to church on sunday
no more makes you a christian than standing in your garage makes you a car
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-01 19:53:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tiger Lily
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Kate, Frank,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.
Faulty tree, you have grown. Not accepting does not mean rejecting in
all cases.
jim
but for jim's post i would have been spared andie's faulty logic yet again
the more he rants, the more i'm sickened to even associate with being called
'christian' as he defines it
the book on Buddhism "Mayflower II On the Buddhist Voyage to Liberation" has
arrived and i wait with great anticipation for some time to 'get into' this
book and a healthier way of maintaining my Christian background...... only
without the bigotry and malice that andie tosses about here
too bad he can't follow christian actions........ going to church on sunday
no more makes you a christian than standing in your garage makes you a car
You have free will to leave your garage, Kate :-)

You remain in my prayers, dear Kate whom I love, in Christ's holy name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too
will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the OP before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-01 19:54:01 UTC
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Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society
together
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
Such is judgment by us imperfect beings.
And your judgment is being colored by your mission in life. Pity that
you offend more than you embrace.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.
Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.
Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on. Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose. When you offend, you lose.
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect. From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Very well put.
This reveals your lack of familiarity with His Word.
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Kate, Frank,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday, Gary.
You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's name.
Faulty tree, you have grown.
Not my tree.
Post by JimLane
Not accepting does not mean rejecting in
all cases.
jim
God knows what it is in our hearts. Those who read this are convicted to either
accept or reject Christ.

You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's holy name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too
will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-01 11:19:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
Such is judgment by us imperfect beings.
And your judgment is being colored by your mission in life.
God's mission for me does not color my judgment.

Nonetheless, it remains my choice to refrain from judging others as I
continue in my walk with Christ.
Post by JimLane
Pity that
you offend more than you embrace.
It does sadden me to see how there are so many who have chosen to reject
Christ without thinking about it logically.
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.
Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.
Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on.
Things happen by God's will and not by chance.
Post by JimLane
Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose.
Actually, such is the consequence of people choosing by their own free
will.
Post by JimLane
When you offend, you lose.
Truth will offend the untruthful.
Post by JimLane
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect.
You probably mean the parable of the vineyard (Matthew 21:33-44).
Post by JimLane
From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Perhaps you should read the parable of vineyard and get back to us on
this one.
Post by JimLane
jim
who is praying that you get a clue
I would wonder who you are praying to.

Simply consider the following decision tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.


One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Frank, Kate,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.

May you make the right decision, someday, Jim.

You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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JimLane
2004-11-01 18:39:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
Such is judgment by us imperfect beings.
And your judgment is being colored by your mission in life.
God's mission for me does not color my judgment.
Nonetheless, it remains my choice to refrain from judging others as I
continue in my walk with Christ.
Post by JimLane
Pity that
you offend more than you embrace.
It does sadden me to see how there are so many who have chosen to reject
Christ without thinking about it logically.
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.
Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.
Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on.
Things happen by God's will and not by chance.
Post by JimLane
Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose.
Actually, such is the consequence of people choosing by their own free
will.
Post by JimLane
When you offend, you lose.
Truth will offend the untruthful.
Post by JimLane
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect.
You probably mean the parable of the vineyard (Matthew 21:33-44).
Post by JimLane
From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Perhaps you should read the parable of vineyard and get back to us on
this one.
Post by JimLane
jim
who is praying that you get a clue
I would wonder who you are praying to.
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Frank, Kate,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday, Jim.
You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
Ahh, so your metric is that it is everyone else's fault, not yours. And
all things are written, so by driving people away from Christ, you are
doing the Lord's work. Right.


jim
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-01 19:53:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Newsflash: Etiquette is *not* the common glue that hold society together
but rather the fence that defines elitism.
Common courtesy and regard for others is not elitism.
Etiquette is *not* common courtesy and regard for others.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
Such is judgment by us imperfect beings.
And your judgment is being colored by your mission in life.
God's mission for me does not color my judgment.
Nonetheless, it remains my choice to refrain from judging others as I
continue in my walk with Christ.
Post by JimLane
Pity that
you offend more than you embrace.
It does sadden me to see how there are so many who have chosen to reject
Christ without thinking about it logically.
Post by JimLane
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by JimLane
There are several definitions
for etiquette. One agrees with the doc, the other with the person he
replies to.
Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=etiquette if you need to
see it for yourself.
Give it a rest, gentlemen, and display some etiquette.
What motivates me to participate here on Usenet is to glorify God and
not to follow etiquette.
And in doing that, there is a probability that you will turn off more
people than you turn on.
Things happen by God's will and not by chance.
Post by JimLane
Such is the consequence of blindness to what is
happening right under your own nose.
Actually, such is the consequence of people choosing by their own free
will.
Post by JimLane
When you offend, you lose.
Truth will offend the untruthful.
Post by JimLane
Remember the parable about honey and vinegar and then examine your posts
without the bias of your mission and see what smell you detect.
You probably mean the parable of the vineyard (Matthew 21:33-44).
Post by JimLane
From out
here, it is vinegar. The overwhelming messages are trying to enlighten
you, but you are blind.
Perhaps you should read the parable of vineyard and get back to us on
this one.
Post by JimLane
jim
who is praying that you get a clue
I would wonder who you are praying to.
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Frank, Kate,
Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
your decision *logically*.
May you make the right decision, someday, Jim.
You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
Ahh, so your metric is that it is everyone else's fault, not yours.
It remains my choice to refrain from judging.
Post by JimLane
And
all things are written, so by driving people away from Christ, you are
doing the Lord's work.
In truth, I have no power to either draw people to Christ nor to drive people away
from Him.

The only authority that I have been given comes from Matthew 28:18-20.

So here I am informing people of the choice they can make with their own free will.
Post by JimLane
Right.
Yes.
Post by JimLane
jim
You remain in my prayers, dear Jim whom I love, in Christ's holy name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too
will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-31 21:27:52 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Would suggest you seek professional help and return to the intelligent,
reasonable person you used to be. Andrew Chung would not have tried to make
such a patently ridiculous, self-serving argument just a few years ago.
I'd write the following directly to Carey Gregory, but he seems to have
I'm uncertain the value of the ongoing posts between you and Dr. Chung,
but I don't think your take on history is all that accurate.
It would seem that Carey's take on most things is not all that
accurate.

For example, he continues to insist that I use sock puppets (ie Mu).

He insists so strongly that it would seem he should have no problem at
taking the challenge from Mu to personally witness that we are really
two independent individuals. Of course, there is the small matter of
becoming $10,000 poorer but it should still be an easy decision to
accept the challenge because the way Carey carries on, one would think
he should be 100% sure that he would be $10,000 richer.
The first
thread I recall in which I noticed Dr. Chung was from 1996 with the
subject "How to find a good doc". (I just tracked this down in Google
again looking for threads that had both his name and mine.)
My sense is that the author of the posts in that thread is not all that
far from the author of the 2004 posts.
Your sense is correct.

May God bless you for being truthful on this Lord's day :-)


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Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Carey Gregory
2004-10-31 23:50:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It would seem that Carey's take on most things is not all that
accurate.
I thought you said goodbye, but here you are at it again. Imagine that.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
For example, he continues to insist that I use sock puppets (ie Mu).
That is correct. You are "Mu" -- and several others.

And you (as "Mu") offered to prove otherwise, but then you reneged at the
last minute and concocted this ridiculous "bet" as an excuse to avoid it.
Of course you knew no one would bet actual money on this nonsense. Of
course you knew no one would fly to Atlanta for your silly-ass "bet." It's
a friggin' newsgroup, you fool. It's not worth one lousy dollar to anyone,
much less a trip to Atlanta only to find out "Mu" is your wife or your
neighbor or whatever. Which, of course, is exactly why you concocted the
whole silly thing to begin with.

Frankly, Andrew, you're so transparent it's pathetic. I would have thought
someone with your education could do much better.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-01 03:51:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It would seem that Carey's take on most things is not all that
accurate.
I thought you said goodbye,
I have not though you have. I believe you wrote that you were going to
killfile me.
Post by Carey Gregory
but here you are at it again. Imagine that.
Same email address too. Imagine that :-)
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
For example, he continues to insist that I use sock puppets (ie Mu).
That is correct. You are "Mu" -- and several others.
Go ahead and name these for the record so that these folks will be encouraged
that I do indeed discern the truth whereas you are unable :-)
Post by Carey Gregory
And you (as "Mu") offered to prove otherwise, but then you reneged at the
last minute and concocted this ridiculous "bet" as an excuse to avoid it.
It seems your excuse is that you don't have the money.
Post by Carey Gregory
Of course you knew no one would bet actual money on this nonsense. Of
course you knew no one would fly to Atlanta for your silly-ass "bet." It's
a friggin' newsgroup, you fool. It's not worth one lousy dollar to anyone,
much less a trip to Atlanta only to find out "Mu" is your wife or your
neighbor or whatever. Which, of course, is exactly why you concocted the
whole silly thing to begin with.
Sounds like you are now backpedalling from the definition of "sock puppet" that
has been given to Barry Sylva.
Post by Carey Gregory
Frankly, Andrew, you're so transparent it's pathetic. I would have thought
someone with your education could do much better.
If I did much better, you would have already given up and accepted Christ :-)

Instead of trying to defeat someone who is walking with Christ, I would suggest
you consider the following decision tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches in
God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by satan.

Benefits: Nothing.


One has to conclude that those (ie you, Jeff, George, Gary, Bob, Frank, Hawki,
Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out your decision
*logically*.

May you make the right decision, someday, Carey.

You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love, in Christ's name.

May He bless you on this Lord's day.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Carey Gregory
2004-11-01 04:48:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sounds like you are now backpedalling from the definition of "sock puppet" that
has been given to Barry Sylva.
Doesn't much matter, does it, Andrew? You're lying either way. You know
it, I know it, and you know I know it.
listener
2004-11-01 01:54:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It would seem that Carey's take on most things is not all that
accurate.
I thought you said goodbye, but here you are at it again. Imagine that.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
For example, he continues to insist that I use sock puppets (ie Mu).
That is correct. You are "Mu" -- and several others.
And you (as "Mu") offered to prove otherwise, but then you reneged at
the last minute and concocted this ridiculous "bet" as an excuse to
avoid it. Of course you knew no one would bet actual money on this
nonsense. Of course you knew no one would fly to Atlanta for your
silly-ass "bet." It's a friggin' newsgroup, you fool. It's not worth
one lousy dollar to anyone, much less a trip to Atlanta only to find
out "Mu" is your wife or your neighbor or whatever. Which, of course,
is exactly why you concocted the whole silly thing to begin with.
Frankly, Andrew, you're so transparent it's pathetic. I would have
thought someone with your education could do much better.
He's not transparent.

He's mentally unbalanced.

WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL ENGAGING THIS NUT? Just because he calls himself a
"doctor"?


L.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-11-01 11:19:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by listener
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It would seem that Carey's take on most things is not all that
accurate.
I thought you said goodbye, but here you are at it again. Imagine that.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
For example, he continues to insist that I use sock puppets (ie Mu).
That is correct. You are "Mu" -- and several others.
And you (as "Mu") offered to prove otherwise, but then you reneged at
the last minute and concocted this ridiculous "bet" as an excuse to
avoid it. Of course you knew no one would bet actual money on this
nonsense. Of course you knew no one would fly to Atlanta for your
silly-ass "bet." It's a friggin' newsgroup, you fool. It's not worth
one lousy dollar to anyone, much less a trip to Atlanta only to find
out "Mu" is your wife or your neighbor or whatever. Which, of course,
is exactly why you concocted the whole silly thing to begin with.
Frankly, Andrew, you're so transparent it's pathetic. I would have
thought someone with your education could do much better.
He's not transparent.
Ok.
Post by listener
He's mentally unbalanced.
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
Post by listener
WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL ENGAGING THIS NUT? Just because he calls himself a
"doctor"?
They seem to be bothered by the truth. Truth has this effect on the
untruthful.
Post by listener
L.
Simply consider the following decision tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.


One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob, Kate, Hawki,
Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out your
decision *logically*.

May you make the right decision, someday, Frank.

You remain in my prayers, dear Frank whom I love, in Christ's name.


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2004-10-29 23:29:56 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
If everyone who is openly Christian did
what you do, usenet would quickly descend into total chaos.
Usenet is chaos.
No, it is not chaos. Millions of messages are posted daily all over the
world, and despite the fact that very few controls exist to prevent abuse,
the overwhelming majority of those messages are posted to an appropriate
newsgroup and *only* an appropriate newsgroup. Usenet is, indeed, a
stunning example of a purely cooperative system that works amazingly well.
Search google for netiquette+usenet and you'll find many guides to
appropriate usenet behavior. These are the self-imposed rules *almost*
everyone else follows to make it work. Unfortunately, it is true there will
always be a few who can't or won't follow those rules, and you have become
one of them.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Add the openly
Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, etc, and it would happen almost overnight.
You may openly profess your faith and see if indeed that happens.
What a shame. I remember when you were able to debate a subject with
intelligence and maturity....
None of these groups are about religion. My religious beliefs are off-topic
and irrelevant here.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
Actually, He did teach tolerance.
I repeat: Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Posting (or even cross-posting) on Usenet is *not* an abuse of Usenet.
Quite the
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
opposite. Without these, there would be no Usenet.
What an utterly meaningless statement. Have you reverted to childhood?
Posting off-topic and cross-posting inappropriately *are* abuse, both of
which you do with great frequency.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
He did *not* teach rudeness and bad manners.
Correct.
Then, if you are a Christian as you claim, it would behoove you to follow
his teachings and quit being a rude, abusive jackass.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
You are,
without a doubt, one of the worst examples of a Christian I have ever met.
Your judgment.
Quite true. And here's another judgment: I looked back at your posts over
the years, and I have to wonder what happened to the knowledgeable,
friendly, polite doctor who used to post under the name Andrew Chung. You
were killfiled by no one, but now you're killfiled by many, possibly even
most. You've degenerated into nothing but just another two-bit usenet
troll and general annoyance.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
I'm afraid there have been.
Who?
Your memory is conveniently short and selective.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
And they don't claim to be
offended, they *are* offended. The fact that you think you can determine
who is a "real" Christian and who is not pretty much says it all.
I am able to discern the truth.
Then that makes you supernatural - or insane.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
The fact
that you say things like "claim to be offended" says even more. It speaks
to your arrogance, your pomposity, and your delusions of grandeur.
More judgment.
I think I'll get little disagreement.
Thanks! That was a well-written rebuttal to OCD Chung's nonsense.

GG
Kswck
2004-10-30 23:16:20 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Carey, I have been walking with Christ for more than two decades and have learned
much from Him. He did not ask me to become openly Christian until *after* He had
taught me what to expect and had given me His armor. I do not and will not regret
obeying Him.
Being openly Christian and abusing newsgroups are two different things.
Correct.
Post by Carey Gregory
Indeed, they are polar opposites.
Actually, they are apples and oranges. Completely unrelated.
Post by Carey Gregory
If everyone who is openly Christian did
what you do, usenet would quickly descend into total chaos.
Usenet is chaos.
Post by Carey Gregory
Add the openly
Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, etc, and it would happen almost overnight.
You may openly profess your faith and see if indeed that happens.
Post by Carey Gregory
Jesus did *not* teach disregard for others.
Actually, He did teach tolerance.
Post by Carey Gregory
He did *not* teach abuse of
cooperative systems.
Posting (or even cross-posting) on Usenet is *not* an abuse of Usenet.
Quite the
opposite. Without these, there would be no Usenet.
Truth is simple.
Post by Carey Gregory
He did *not* teach rudeness and bad manners.
Correct.
Post by Carey Gregory
You are,
without a doubt, one of the worst examples of a Christian I have ever met.
Your judgment.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, what I discern is that there have been *no* real Christians among those
who claim to be offended by my being openly Christian.
I'm afraid there have been.
Who?
Post by Carey Gregory
There are.
Where?
Post by Carey Gregory
And they don't claim to be
offended, they *are* offended. The fact that you think you can determine
who is a "real" Christian and who is not pretty much says it all.
I am able to discern the truth. All praises to my heavenly Father, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Post by Carey Gregory
The fact
that you say things like "claim to be offended" says even more. It speaks
to your arrogance, your pomposity, and your delusions of grandeur.
More judgment.
You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love, in Christ's name.
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BOB
2004-10-30 23:23:19 UTC
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Kswck wrote:


Please don't feed the trolls
and
Please don't crosspost to these unrelated groups
Wes Groleau
2004-10-31 03:15:56 UTC
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Kswck wrote:

oh, never mind.

If you don't like what someone said,
does it make any sense to re-post it?
--
Wes Groleau

Guidelines for judging others:

1. Don't attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

2. Don't attribute to stupidity that which
can be adequately explained by ignorance.

3. Don't attribute to ignorance that which
can be adequately explained by misunderstanding.
n***@watcher1.com
2004-10-27 19:58:27 UTC
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Once again a. chung has taken an off topic single group posting and
crossposted it to severl groups for which it is not obviously related
to their content. As per prediction, this behavior is in response for
having been repeatily brought up short for this behavior and the
retribution he brings to bear to show who is in control. He says he
does not crosspost, he does. He says he will stop if asked, he did not
recently. He seeks by deceptive methods of rhetoric to misdirect
attention away from his behavior. He offers lame excuses in place of
an appology or sincere explanation. Considering all of these
contridictions of word and deed, what does this make him?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-27 21:34:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: Dr. Chung posts
Date: 10/27/2004 1:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time
I remember when you claimed to have admitting privileges to certain
Atlanta hospitals which when phoned by several of us 'watchdogs" we
were told that in fact you did not have said admitting privileges.
LOL LOL
It is funny.

As if I have ever identified (or would want to identify) such hospitals
:-)

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2004-10-28 07:36:13 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Subject: Re: Dr. Chung posts
Date: 10/27/2004 1:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time
I remember when you claimed to have admitting privileges to certain
Atlanta hospitals which when phoned by several of us 'watchdogs" we
were told that in fact you did not have said admitting privileges.
LOL LOL
It is funny.
As if I have ever identified (or would want to identify) such hospitals
:-)
AMA website. Oh, look. The AMA says all info is supplied by the
physicians and not subject to verification. Chung "identified" the
hospitals. Presumably because he "would want to identify" them.
<http://tinyurl.com/3soa9>

Here's a very funny one about Chung. <http://tinyurl.com/6odxv> Say
something in German, Chung.
And another that lays it all out: <http://tinyurl.com/5ozqy>
And one that deals with the ones Chung "identified":
<http://tinyurl.com/72b3j>
And one that shows he says that the staffs have been instructed to
lie: <http://tinyurl.com/6vsct>

Bob
MU
2004-10-27 23:40:04 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Those who are really bothered by off-topic posts will complain uniformly
about *all* such posts.
So it is, again, not about Xposting or OT but about the inflammatory
reactions to the name of Christ.

Says much; few glean why.
liaM
2004-10-27 23:53:39 UTC
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Post by MU
Says much; few glean why.
says little therefore ;)
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2004-10-28 04:47:14 UTC
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Post by liaM
Post by MU
Says much; few glean why.
says little therefore ;)
...to the untruthful.

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2004-10-28 02:03:32 UTC
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Post by liaM
Post by MU
Says much; few glean why.
says little therefore ;)
Ah, another sock puppet. Apparently I didn't notice Andrew's latest
creation until now.

Plonk you go into the sock drawer with the others.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-28 06:48:07 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by liaM
Post by MU
Says much; few glean why.
says little therefore ;)
Ah, another sock puppet. Apparently I didn't notice Andrew's latest
creation until now.
Plonk you go into the sock drawer with the others.
Why would I have a non-christian sock puppet?

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2004-10-28 07:11:44 UTC
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Why would I have a non-christian sock puppet?
Why? It's not hard to envision your logic, but mainly I don't really care
why. I just know you blew it again. You do that a lot, you know. You're
cocky, you overestimate yourself, you get careless, and you make mistakes.
liaM
2004-10-28 07:41:57 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Why would I have a non-christian sock puppet?
Why? It's not hard to envision your logic, but mainly I don't really care
why. I just know you blew it again. You do that a lot, you know. You're
cocky, you overestimate yourself, you get careless, and you make mistakes.
What's a sock puppet ?



liaM
from France
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2004-10-28 13:12:12 UTC
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Post by liaM
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Why would I have a non-christian sock puppet?
Why? It's not hard to envision your logic, but mainly I don't really care
why. I just know you blew it again. You do that a lot, you know. You're
cocky, you overestimate yourself, you get careless, and you make mistakes.
What's a sock puppet ?
It seems that Carey doesn't really know :-)

His apparent ignorance could explain the company that he keeps.
Post by liaM
liaM
from France
You remain in my prayers, dear Liam, whom I love.

It is my belief that you have seen enough to eventually become receptive to
Christ being the way, the truth, and the life.


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2004-10-29 00:23:47 UTC
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liaM <***@mindless.com> wrote:

Sorry, error on my part. In a moment of haste I did a search on the wrong
person. It's pretty clear you are not Andrew Chung.
Post by liaM
What's a sock puppet ?
A sock puppet is a fake person created by someone in a newsgroup, usually to
give the impression there are others who support their views.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-29 17:30:02 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Sorry, error on my part. In a moment of haste I did a search on the wrong
person. It's pretty clear you are not Andrew Chung.
Let that be a lesson to you and others.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by liaM
What's a sock puppet ?
A sock puppet is a fake person created by someone in a newsgroup, usually to
give the impression there are others who support their views.
Correct.

I have *no* sock puppets.

More specifically, Mu is *not* a sock puppet.

Let this also be a lesson to you and others.

You remain in my prayers, dear Carey, whom I love.


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2004-10-29 18:47:40 UTC
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Let that be a lesson to you and others.
Stuff it up your pompous ass.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
I have *no* sock puppets.
Liar.
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
More specifically, Mu is *not* a sock puppet.
Liar.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-29 21:41:31 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Let that be a lesson to you and others.
Stuff it up your pompous ass.
Ouch. You make have at the other cheek.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
I have *no* sock puppets.
Liar.
Then name one.
Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
More specifically, Mu is *not* a sock puppet.
Liar.
And so you will be judged.

You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love, in Christ's name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

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2004-10-29 23:09:51 UTC
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Post by Carey Gregory
Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Let that be a lesson to you and others.
Stuff it up your pompous ass.
Ouch. You make have at the other cheek.
Took me a second to get this...

<LOLOL>

Bob
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2004-10-28 07:41:05 UTC
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Post by Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Why would I have a non-christian sock puppet?
Like Bush needs Cheney ... to have someone who s--thinks back him up ;)
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-28 06:48:12 UTC
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Hi Barry,

Where there is tolerance, there is receptive soil for the teachings of Christ.

You needn't be ashamed of your doubts.

Afterall, Christ was not ashamed of "doubting" Thomas. Indeed, He offered Thomas
all the proof he would ever need to banish all doubts but Thomas chose not to
indulge in that proof.

I believe that you will come to accept Christ, someday.

For this you remain in my prayers, dear Barry whom I love, in Christ's name.

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Hello Erin,
Well said. I agree with your sentiments, but will not
"sign-off" indefinitely. Certainly I will avoid the agenda being set upon us by
a couple of fanatics. As I have stated in recent posts, I am not a Christian,
but respect Andrew's beliefs, and have never been offended by his words or
actions. On the contrary, I am grateful for his constructive presence in the
group. I am ashamed to be an atheist !!!!
Regards, Barry
Lately, everytime I come into to this newsgroup expecting to read some
valuable information, I see these threads and posts about Dr. Chung
and his christian beliefs. Granted, I may not agree with his
christian viewpoint or rhetoric, but at least it's nice to know
there's a medical professional who cares enough to devote a chunk of
his time to respond to posts. I don't think he has an ulterior motive
as some of you alledge. Let's see his practice is somewhere in
Atlanta. Let's see that's about 3000 miles from my home. No, I won't
be Dr. Chung's new patient anytime soon. You guys need to chill out
or go find another sandbox to have a fight. I'm siging off this
newsgroup indefinitely because I'm sick of the constant bickering
lately.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2004-10-29 21:41:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: Dr. Chung posts
Date: 10/29/2004 10:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time
if you had privileges at prestigous hospitals...you would not be hiding
that
again
It would be my choice not yours.
to hide their identity??
My identity is not hidden.
funny....that surely garners you multitudes of
prestige in your community (shhhh....don't tell patients WHERE I have
privileges!!)
My patients know.
what a crock..
Sorry the truth bothers you.
a doc who hides where he practices...is a doc who has something to hide
My practice is not hidden for those who truly have a need to know.
hawki.....
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May He heal you of your obsessions as only He can:

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Subject: Re: Dr. Chung posts
Date: 10/29/2004 11:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time
makes me one heck of an asshole...
hawki.....
whoops...meant HIM....
Such is the power of Him whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and
strength :-)
oh well...
Let that be a lesson to you and others.
hawki.....
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Subject: Re: Dr. Chung posts
Date: 10/29/2004 10:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time
While I admire your tenacity, you do realize this is a no-win situation.
These issues have come up before, been thoroughly beaten to the ground and
snip
yes you are correct
however as a healthcare professional it is VERYYYY difficult for me to sit back
and watch this arrogant YOUNG sob rule this group...
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
but you are right...it is a losing fight...he is unable to admit anything....
It remains my choice to be truthful. You should try it sometime. You might like
it.
sad that..
Truth has this effect on the untruthful.
That makes him one heck of a Doctor, huh? Maybe it's time to give up.
L.
makes me one heck of an asshole...
Let that be a lesson to others.
hawki.....
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2004-10-30 11:26:01 UTC
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just checked
Chung is not listed as a provider with BlueCross/Blue Shield of Georgia...
hmmmmmm
hawki.....
Hawki there is no practice.
Then explain:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp
At one time there might have been. But
something happened after he had moved his practice to Florida (and
moved back to Atlanta in less than a year) and since then it seems
very likely that while still maintaining a license, there is in fact
no practice other than spending 24/7 engaged in flaming wars on
usenet.
The opportunity to make a stand for Christ is part of what I am called
by Him to do. This I do glad in addition to seeing patients.
The only person to claim to be his patient is MU.
For all you know MU stands for *MU*ltiple persons :-)

Keep guessing... it is very becoming and a characteristic that you share
with Hawki et al.
And yes I agree with you completely that is is a shame that this group
has turned to 100% shit because of him.
And yet you are still here. Does excrement attract you?
The few real doctors who used
to help out here have long gone, as has anyone in need since they get
the picture pretty quick that this NG is a total loss.
Yet, you remain to bemoan this sad state of affairs.
God have mercy on anyone who actually uses his advice, although that
has dried up to.....go see a doctor....enter the 2PD approach....
In truth, God is the source of my advice :-)
Eat like a mouse
2 lbs would be too much for a mouse.
and see your doctor.
The best Usenet advice around :-)
Great use of an education.
Glorifying God is a great use of anything.
Prove me wrong Chung.
It remains my choice to refrain from judging you because God already
has.
You won't because you can't,
It has been a choice.
although no
chalenge goes unanswered by you.
To your chagrin.
I fully expect several nonsensical
replies by you, none of them adressing the real issue.
To the untruthful, truth is nonsensical.
You are a fake
and have lost it.
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
Prove us all wrong.
The truth already has.
Then we will leave you in peace, never to bother
you again and you can tend to your SMC flock as you wish.
Peace is not yours to give.
Until then we are watching your every move, so that anyone
unsuspecting does not think that you actually might have something of
value to offer.
Your choice. Their choice (shrug).

Again, God calls me to what I do and this gives my life meaning.

May He have mercy on your choice to ignore what He has called you to do.
And btw. The few times he does explain what test results mean. Those
things can be found out in much greater detail by just using google.
Truth is better than detail.

Most people know this and will be continue to be drawn by it, much your
dismay and dispair.

You remain in my prayers, dear George whom I love, in Christ's name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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